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Pius XII Saw "Miracle of the Sun" [Catholic Caucus]
ZNA ^ | November 4, 2008 | Antonio Gaspari

Posted on 11/05/2008 7:55:19 AM PST by NYer

ROME, NOV. 4, 2008 (Zenit.org).- According to his own testimony, the Pope who declared the dogma of the Assumption saw the "miracle of the sun" four times.

This information is confirmed by a handwritten, unpublished note from Pope Pius XII, which is part of the "Pius XII: The Man and the Pontificate" display. The display opened in the Vatican to the public today and will run through Jan. 6.

A commissioner of the display and a Vatican reporter for the Italian daily Il Giornale, Andrea Tornielli, explained to ZENIT that the note was found in the Pacelli family archives. It describes the "miracle of the sun," an episode that until today had only been affirmed by the indirect testimony of Cardinal Federico Tedeschini (1873-1959), who recounted in a homily that the Holy Father had seen the miracle.

Pius XII wrote, "I have seen the 'miracle of the sun,' this is the pure truth."

The miracle of the sun is most known as the episode that occurred in Fatima, Portugal, on Oct. 13, 1917. According to the Fatima visionaries, Mary had said there would be a miracle that day so that people would come to believe. Thousands had gathered at the site of the visions, and the sun "danced," reportedly drying instantaneously the rain-soaked land and spectators.

Confirming the dogma

Pius XII's note says that he saw the miracle in the year he was to proclaim the dogma of the Assumption, 1950, while he walked in the Vatican Gardens.

He said he saw the phenomenon various times, considering it a confirmation of his plan to declare the dogma.

The papal note says that at 4 p.m. on Oct. 30, 1950, during his "habitual walk in the Vatican Gardens, reading and studying," having arrived to the statue of Our Lady of Lourdes, "toward the top of the hill […] I was awestruck by a phenomenon that before now I had never seen."

"The sun, which was still quite high, looked like a pale, opaque sphere, entirely surrounded by a luminous circle," he recounted. And one could look at the sun, "without the slightest bother. There was a very light little cloud in front of it."

The Holy Father's note goes on to describe "the opaque sphere" that "moved outward slightly, either spinning, or moving from left to right and vice versa. But within the sphere, you could see marked movements with total clarity and without interruption."

Pius XII said he saw the same phenomenon "the 31st of October and Nov. 1, the day of the definition of the dogma of the Assumption, and then again Nov. 8, and after that, no more."

The Pope acknowledged that on other days at about the same hour, he tried to see if the phenomenon would be repeated, "but in vain -- I couldn't fix my gaze [on the sun] for even an instant; my eyes would be dazzled."

Pius XII spoke about the incident with a few cardinals and close collaborators, such that Sister Pascalina Lehnert, the nun in charge of the papal apartments, declared that "Pius XII was very convinced of the reality of the extraordinary phenomenon, which he had seen on four occasions."

Son of Our Lady

Tornielli told ZENIT that there was always a close link between the life of Eugenio Pacelli and the mystery of the Virgin Mary.

"Since childhood," he said, "Eugenio Pacelli was devoted [to Our Lady] and was registered in the Congregation of the Assumption, which had a chapel close to the Church of Jesus. A devotion that seemed prophetic, since he would be precisely the one to declare the dogma of the Assumption in 1950."

The future Pope celebrated his first Mass on April 3, 1899, at the altar of the icon of Mary "Salus Populi Romani" in the Basilica of St. Mary Major. "And then," Tornielli continued, "Eugenio Pacelli received episcopal ordination from Pope Benedict XV in the Sistine Chapel on May 13, 1917, the day of the first apparition of the Virgin of Fatima."

As Pope, in 1940, he approved the Fatima apparitions, and in 1942, consecrated the entire world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

As well, Pius XII often spoke with Sister Lucia, the visionary of Fatima, and he asked her to transcribe the messages she received from the Virgin. He thus became the first Pope to know the "third secret of Fatima," which Pope John Paul II would later make public.


TOPICS: Catholic; History
KEYWORDS: fatima

1 posted on 11/05/2008 7:55:20 AM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 11/05/2008 7:55:47 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
Sounds like parhely.


3 posted on 11/05/2008 8:06:34 AM PST by stormer
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To: NYer

If Obama can become President, anything is possible.


4 posted on 11/05/2008 8:18:39 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: stormer

Wow ... what’s parhely?


5 posted on 11/05/2008 8:18:52 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

So, parhely can instantly dry rain-soaked earth and the rain-soaked clothes of thousands of people?


6 posted on 11/05/2008 9:13:48 AM PST by dsc
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To: NYer
Atmospheric phenomena that's a result of suspended ice crystals. Kind of a extreme version of a ring around the sun or moon.

http://optics.kulgun.net/

7 posted on 11/05/2008 9:19:48 AM PST by stormer
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To: dsc

I think that over time memories can become distorted (either intentionally or not). Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.


8 posted on 11/05/2008 9:23:15 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer
The sun is still as bright as ever, I have observed sun dogs plenty of times. The example picture you showed only occurs in extreme weather.

I am sure Pius XII had as well.

This doesn't describe the Miracle of the Sun as written about at Fatima.
9 posted on 11/05/2008 10:11:59 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: stormer

For all the sophomoric Atmospheric Sciences 101 students here that meteorological explanation was thoroughly considered and rejected within days of the occurrences. The Vatican had considerable scientific analytic support which is engaged in the case of suspected miracles.


10 posted on 11/05/2008 10:17:59 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Dominick
This isn't what I would describe as a run-of-the-mill sundog. I have had the opportunity to observe phenomena such as this in the arctic. As you observe, depth perception is nonexistent, you almost swoon. You literally look away, rub your eyes, and expect not to see what you've just seen. Yes, I'm sure it's much more likely that a miraculous event took place rather than an unusual atmospheric phenomena interpreted by a bunch of Portuguese peasants or a guy who probably never left Italy his whole life.
11 posted on 11/05/2008 10:59:22 AM PST by stormer
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To: steve86
Perhaps you could provide the Vatican's dissertation on why there was no meteorological explanation for the events at Fatima. I would be most interested, even considering that the Vatican may not be the most impartial of analytical bodies. All of us dumb sophomores await your findings.
12 posted on 11/05/2008 11:07:29 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer
You are correct: "[The] Vatican may not be the most impartial of analytical bodies". In fact, it is the most critical and skeptical. Any kind of pedestrian and commonplace explanation for seemingly miraculous phenomena is given the "benefit of the doubt" in the beginning until it can be dismissed. This is because the Vatican requires the highest standard of evidence for those occurrences that are pronounced miraculous in the end.

No, I'm not going to spend an afternoon and wade through volumes of Italian to satisfy your request. But rest assured many of us have seen references to these investigations.

13 posted on 11/05/2008 11:28:58 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: stormer
Just another unsupported (and no doubt unsupportable) claim.

Like "God exists"? /sarc

15 posted on 11/05/2008 11:59:38 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: stormer

One need not prove a negative. The burden is upon the accuser to disprove it. ie “When did you stop beating your wife?”


16 posted on 11/05/2008 12:07:19 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: stormer

“I think that over time memories can become distorted (either intentionally or not).”

An unwarranted assumption. The facts are gleaned from contemporary accounts, not musty old memories.

Watch “Fatima” http://www.amazon.com/FATIMA-Ricardo-Montalban-Award-Winning/dp/B0010VJK22 if you dare, then look at those contemporary accounts yourself.

“Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.”

What we have here is prejudice getting in the way of truth.


17 posted on 11/05/2008 12:08:09 PM PST by dsc
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To: stormer

“I’m sure it’s much more likely that a miraculous event took place rather than an unusual atmospheric phenomena interpreted by a bunch of Portuguese peasants or a guy who probably never left Italy his whole life.”

How illogical, how downright unscientific, to form an opinion on the basis of a subjective estimate of likelihood, rather than an examination of the evidence.


18 posted on 11/05/2008 12:10:47 PM PST by dsc
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To: stormer

“Just another unsupported (and no doubt unsupportable) claim.”

If you really cared to find the truth, you wouldn’t sit back like some oriental pasha demanding to be spoonfed. You would exert yourself to the slight degree required to find the truth of the matter.


19 posted on 11/05/2008 12:12:52 PM PST by dsc
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To: stormer
Italy is not at all the Arctic. Rome is at 41.5N, about 60 degrees off the pole. My point is you just claimed it must be a sun dog, and implied the Pope would not know the difference. This wasn't something he issued a press release over, this was something he felt was a private revelation.

I never “swooned” while seeing a sun dog. The sun also doesn't appear to spin.

You said, “he never left Italy” and all the Portuguese are peasants, implying that they must be idiots and not as smart as you. How fortunate for you. Do you know who saw the sun dance at Fatima? Of course it can't be a miracle because you know better. How fortunate for you.

Maybe you should learn why we put Catholic Caucus in the topic.

20 posted on 11/05/2008 12:27:51 PM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: stormer

Are you a Catholic? You did notice that this was a Catholic Caucus thread, didn’t you?


21 posted on 11/05/2008 12:48:24 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
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Pius XII Saw "Miracle of the Sun" [Catholic Caucus]

22 posted on 11/05/2008 12:59:17 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: stormer
This thread is tagged "Catholic caucus" in the Religion Forum. If you are not Catholic, leave the thread.

Click on my profile page for more guidelines pertaining to the Religion Forum.

23 posted on 11/05/2008 2:14:29 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: dsc

Talk about a good story. The event is recorded in O Seculo, an anti-Catholic paper.


24 posted on 11/05/2008 9:05:11 PM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: Dominick

And he is talking about a well-traveled pope. The first future pope to come to the United States, for instance. I get tired of this village atheist patter.


25 posted on 11/05/2008 9:07:42 PM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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