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What's wrong with Catholic voters? What's wrong with Catholics?
Catholic Culture ^ | November 5, 2008 | Phil Lawler

Posted on 11/06/2008 6:36:40 AM PST by Alex Murphy

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To: LadyNavyVet
The article does not state “white protestants” but rather seems to imply that all Protestants were included in the figures. I'm pretty sure that regardless of color, regular churchgoers voted more for McCain. That's really the point of the article. I don't think it's bashing Catholics per se.
21 posted on 11/06/2008 6:48:31 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Alex Murphy; NYer

Catholic Voters were swayed by the “Social Doctrine” of the Democrat Party. They think, like Pelosi, that the Abortion Issue is still “open ended.” They are wrong and should refrain from Eucharist until they’ve seen their Priest in the confessional.

“If we do not protect life, there is no reason to fight for any other cause.”

Somewhere along the line, they convinced themselves that fighting for social justice outweighed fighting for the birth of the people who would need social justice.

They are truly Catholics in Name Only because they do not hold to the teachings of the Catholic Church.

The Didache ( also referred to as The Teachings of the Twelve Apostles ) , the oldest extant manual of church order, dating from the late first or early second century states: “You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.”

The bishops at the Second Vatican Council declared that, as Catholics, we believe what the Church authoritatively teaches on matters of faith and morals, for to hear the voice of the Church on those matters is to hear the voice of Christ himself. ( Lumen Gentium, No. 25; Mysterium Ecclesiae, No. 2 ) Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit guides the Church and protects it from error. We believe that the Roman Pontiff, Pope Benedict XVI, is the successor of Peter, the Rock on whom Jesus Christ has built his Church, and is not just another man who is entitled to his opinions on faith. We believe that we are called to trust the Spirit to guide the Church, so we do not pick and choose among her teachings.


22 posted on 11/06/2008 6:48:32 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (I carry a pistol because my rifle won't fit in my purse.)
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To: pillut48
Those ‘pick and choose Church policy’ Catholics like Joe Biden and John Kerry, etc. should be excommunicated. Period. The Church seems to come down pretty hard on people with words—they need to back it up with ACTIONS!! if, especially politicians out there saying, “Oh, the Church really doesn’t have a stance against abortion” (Biden)—call them publicly about these things, if they repent and prove it, fine. If they don’t, then kick’em out of the Church—they don’t belong!! (I’m not Catholic, although I support a lot of their policies about the sanctity of life)

Let me recommend you for a Bishopric in our Church!

23 posted on 11/06/2008 6:49:23 AM PST by frogjerk (Welcome|Goodbye to|from Free|Fairness Doctrine Republic!)
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To: Alex Murphy
Most ‘professed’ catholics are liberals and if/ when they attend mass, it's weddings, funerals or Christmas
.... you can possibly include Easter for some.

Religion is no longer thought in schools.

Across the nation catholic schools are closing and churches are closed, parishes merged for a lack of priests.

JFK was the first and only catholic.

If you know or meet twenty catholics today,
ask them what the council of bishops suggested as guidance for ‘followers’.

DUH !!!!! WHO !!!!

24 posted on 11/06/2008 6:49:23 AM PST by IrishMike (Gov Sarah Palin - Gun control is hitting what you shoot at)
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To: Enosh
“....Among Catholic voters who attend Mass weekly, McCain won majority support: 54- 45%.”

Thank you.

Yes - and a VERY SPECIAL THANKS going to the 45% who attend weekly mass and still voted for Obama - sheesh!

25 posted on 11/06/2008 6:50:47 AM PST by nomodem
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To: IrishMike
If you know or meet twenty catholics today, ask them what the council of bishops suggested as guidance for ‘followers’. DUH !!!!! WHO !!!!

The USCCB is also part of the problem. They do very dumb things like equating racism with abortion.

26 posted on 11/06/2008 6:50:58 AM PST by frogjerk (Welcome|Goodbye to|from Free|Fairness Doctrine Republic!)
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To: Alex Murphy

It’s the teaching. Watered down messages in some Catholic Churches offer no hope, and no salvation. Just more confession and forgiveness for daily sinful behavior. It’s the message. If you are taught heaven, hell, and eternal judgment, people tend to get the message


27 posted on 11/06/2008 6:50:59 AM PST by realcleanguy
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To: Alex Murphy

Have we reached a point where inactive Catholics can be called secular Catholics?

Stating it that way implies a cultural identity since actually practicing Catholicism is a counter-cultural state. Our lives revolve around daily, sometimes hourly prayer and values that are antithetical to common culture.

I can’t think of any other way to put it. I do know a few in my own parish who voted for Zero, but they are devout but misguided since they voted the concern for the poor without thinking it through.

Pollsters who lump self-described Catholics who never practice their faith into one demographic are skewing the numbers.


28 posted on 11/06/2008 6:51:08 AM PST by OpusatFR (Neither Republican or Democrat. Monarchist with allegience to The Only One.)
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To: kittymyrib

“They love the Democrat Party more than they love Jesus.”

This has got to be among the top ten silliest things said in ‘08.


29 posted on 11/06/2008 6:51:52 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: silverleaf

McCain should have HAMMERED Obama with this issue from day one—instead he focused on being ‘a gentleman’ which you can’t do when the other side doesn’t play by the rules!!

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_and_infanticide.html

“Obama, Senate floor, 2001: “Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – a child, a nine-month-old – child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.”

How these people can live with themselves is totally beyond me. I truly believe that demon possession is alive and well in America!!! :*(


30 posted on 11/06/2008 6:51:57 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative voting for the McCain/Palin ticket now!!)
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To: kittymyrib

“They love the Democrat Party more than they love Jesus.”

This has got to be among the top ten silliest things said in ‘08.


31 posted on 11/06/2008 6:53:26 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: kittymyrib

“It’s really not that hard to figure out. They love the Democrat Party more than they love Jesus.”

Correction, they love the Democrat Party more than they love God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and America.


32 posted on 11/06/2008 6:53:47 AM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: Alex Murphy

So for the sake of abortion we lost this election and our natipon will be socialist and there will be even more abortions. The majority of voters could care less about abortion as a federal issue and rightfully so. I would greatly support a candidate desiring smaller government, fewer taxes, less regulation, military protection, and greater individual liberty. Let the churches, nonprofits, and non-governmental entities debate thw abortion issue and sway people’s hearts and minds. It has no place in a party platform.


33 posted on 11/06/2008 6:54:13 AM PST by gotribe (obama just sucks - your wealth away)
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To: Alex Murphy
Life begins at conception. This is an unalterable formal teaching of the Catholic Church. If you do not accept this you are a heretic in plain english. A single abortion is homicide. The more than 48,000,000 abortions since Roe v. Wade in the United States constitute genocide by definition. The group singled out for death--unwanted, unborn children.

The believer accepts the whole deposit as proposed by the Church; the heretic accepts only such parts of it as commend themselves to his own approval.

34 posted on 11/06/2008 6:54:13 AM PST by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: Alex Murphy

The top non-negotiable issue is abortion.

A vote for Obama means you have abandoned your Catholic faith.

But that’s happened already if weekly Mass attendance has become optional.

We must pray for them.


35 posted on 11/06/2008 6:54:32 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Alex Murphy

It is time for all Christians that believe and live their faith to come together. How this can be accomplished, I don’t know but it has to happen somehow.


36 posted on 11/06/2008 6:54:34 AM PST by frogjerk (Welcome|Goodbye to|from Free|Fairness Doctrine Republic!)
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To: Alex Murphy

They might be Catholic (or baptist, methodist, presbyterian, etc..), but are they Christian?


37 posted on 11/06/2008 6:54:56 AM PST by bella1 (Remember; it took four years of Carter to give us eight years of Reagan.)
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To: Alex Murphy

A lot of the Catholics I know are in unions and they definitely vote Democrat every time.


38 posted on 11/06/2008 6:56:11 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Dan 4:17 and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.)
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To: Alex Murphy

their 401K’s. they are wrong blaming the administration, but they believe that it is the cause of their lost money

they will take care of their families FIRST. then worry about the nations moral issues.


39 posted on 11/06/2008 6:56:58 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Alex Murphy

There are people out there who were raised Catholic, but like the rest of American society, have become secular, liberals who have been brainwashed by Hollywood morals, the absence of any religion taught in government re-education camps, er, public schools and mainstream media. These people are still identified as Catholics which sways the polls.

If you no longer practice Catholic doctrine in your life, you are not a Catholic. John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Tom Daschle, all these self-proclaimed Catholics, do not practice nor live a life as a Catholic should. They embrace everything that we oppose—abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, secular education, moral relativism, etc.


40 posted on 11/06/2008 6:58:14 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe ("Victory at all costs...for without true victory, there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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