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Doug Kmiec to give election ‘post-mortem’ at Calif. seminary [Catholic Caucus]
CNA ^ | November 6, 2008

Posted on 11/07/2008 1:49:37 PM PST by NYer

Sacramento, Nov 6, 2008 / 07:47 am (CNA).- St. John’s Seminary in Camarillo, California has invited Pepperdine University law professor and Obama backer Doug Kmiec to give an election “post-mortem” lecture.

According to the California Catholic Daily, Kmiec will give the Thirteenth Annual Newman C. Eberhardt Lecture next Tuesday. The seminary’s web site says his lecture will examine “the prominent role played by the American Catholic community in the 2008 election, from Bishops educating candidates on ensoulment to alternative ways to be pro-life to the selection of running mates.”

Kmiec, former legal counsel for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, has also been dean of the law school at the Catholic University of America and a law professor at Notre Dame University.

Though a pro-life Republican, in a March 23 essay in Slate magazine he endorsed the pro-abortion rights Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, saying Obama “wants to move the nation beyond its religious and racial divides and that he wants to return the United States to that company of nations committed to human rights.”

Kmiec’s justifications for supporting Obama have drawn criticism from Catholic clergy and laity. He has argued that Archbishop Charles J. Chaput’s position on the Catholic citizen’s voting duties “discounts reducing the incidence of abortion by cultural (economic and social) means” by focusing on legal remedies.

However, Kmiec insists his disagreement is not over the “essence of Church instruction” but rather the “preferred means of implementing it.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bho2008; ca; camarillo; cino; dougkmiec; kmiec; religiousleft; rino; rinopurge; turncoatlist

1 posted on 11/07/2008 1:49:37 PM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
Here is the address and contact information for the seminary, in case you wish to express your opinion.

Administrative Offices

2 posted on 11/07/2008 1:50:51 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

If Barak signs FOCA Kmiek should be excommunicated!


3 posted on 11/07/2008 1:53:23 PM PST by pgkdan ("White folks greed runs a world in need," Jeremiah Wright as quoted by Barack Obama)
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To: pgkdan
Kmiec is way ahead of you. If Obama is faced with signing the FOCA, Kmiec will write a column, urging Obama to veto it. When Obama does sign it, Kmiec will write a column about how he feels betrayed. Kmiec and the other “Catholic” quislings have been angling for attention and they'll simply lie and pretend they're shocked when Obama does exactly what he said he would do vis-a-vis abortion rights.

Is there a Freeper out there in the Los Angeles diocese who can exert pressure on ROger Mahony to prevent Kmiec from speaking at the seminary? Mahony won't want to stop Kmiec from speaking, but he (Mahony) is also keeping a low profile on account of the priest scandals. This particulat seminary spawned a few homosexual priests; I think Mahony won't want attention called to it.

4 posted on 11/07/2008 1:59:36 PM PST by utahagen
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To: pgkdan

Why wait. That piece of excrement is stinking up the church.


5 posted on 11/07/2008 2:05:36 PM PST by stop_fascism
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To: NYer
Kmiec needs to take a look at some post-mortem photos of aborted babies and examine his conscience.

Inviting him to speak at a Catholic seminary is simply outrageous, but very little surprises me anymore in Cardinal Mahony's archdiocese.

6 posted on 11/07/2008 2:09:21 PM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: pgkdan

“Kmiek should be excommunicated!”

He already may be but doesn’t realize it yet.


7 posted on 11/07/2008 2:11:01 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: NYer

Catholics are responsible for this nutcase.

Hope they enjoy the social liberalism that’s coming- especially abortion on demand.


8 posted on 11/07/2008 2:11:31 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Democrats still want to get Pres. Bush and/or VP Cheney; there might be show trials in Feb09)
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To: NYer

The demons are active in the Catholic church and have been for quite some time. Apparently, Kmiec is just one more example. We have some brave and faithful Catholics who are fighting against the subversion of our doctrine including popes and bishops. Supporting any democrat given their hard line stance on abortion is indefensible. The former St. Louis Archbishop, Raymond L. Burke, publicly declared that “the Democratic Party risks transforming itself definitely into a ‘party of death.’” It is the Party of Death. There is no ambiguity here. No one who voted for Obama or any other Democrat (even if pro-life) is serious about ending abortion. As long as democrats hold majorities in Congress and state legislatures, abortion will thrive.


9 posted on 11/07/2008 2:13:56 PM PST by spindoctor
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To: pgkdan

“If Barak signs FOCA Kmiek should be excommunicated!”

He already excommunicated himself.


10 posted on 11/07/2008 2:30:37 PM PST by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: spindoctor
As long as democrats hold majorities in Congress and state legislatures, abortion will thrive.

As long as people want to have sex and not have children, abortion will thrive.

11 posted on 11/07/2008 2:42:43 PM PST by Tax-chick (Teenage mutant tortilla chips - only at Wal-mart!)
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To: Tax-chick

You have put your finger on the real problem. The West has become hostile to procreation. That is why it is being overrun.


12 posted on 11/07/2008 2:46:29 PM PST by B Knotts (ConservatismCentral.com)
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To: B Knotts
The West has become hostile to procreation. That is why it is being overrun.

I think it's more than that - the West has become hostile to life in general, life as it really is. I hate to say "we," because it annoys me when people "we" and I don't think it includes me :-), so "a significant element in our society" seems only to want the kind of life that can't be achieved without dreadful inhumanity: a life in which sex doesn't make babies; people don't become old, sick or incapacitated; a spouse is never unsatisfactory; "somebody" provides exactly what we want without an inconvenient level of effort.

If one can get life to work that way, one doesn't need God, but can imagine oneself as God.

13 posted on 11/07/2008 2:53:41 PM PST by Tax-chick (Teenage mutant tortilla chips - only at Wal-mart!)
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To: Tax-chick

Excellent post. You’ve worded it exactly as it is.


14 posted on 11/07/2008 2:56:56 PM PST by B Knotts (ConservatismCentral.com)
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To: NYer
Doug, you slimy piece of ......

You just helped elect an abortionist, infanticidal communist megalomaniac to the Presidency of the US>

Hang your head in shame.

Shut up, go away, and pray fervently that God grant you the grace of repentance and conversion.

Right now, Doug, you are headed for Hell.

15 posted on 11/07/2008 3:01:40 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: B Knotts

Thanks! I try to think things through to their most basic concepts, and what I see is a deeply-felt rejection of the simple reality of being human.


16 posted on 11/07/2008 3:01:56 PM PST by Tax-chick (Teenage mutant tortilla chips - only at Wal-mart!)
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To: SumProVita
The excommunication needs to be public and formal ... and need to be followed up with Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and several others.

They have been giving scandal for far too long.

17 posted on 11/07/2008 3:04:11 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Kmiec is seizing the bishops’ teaching authority - and they’re letting him (along with Biden and Pelosi) get away with it. Until they stand up on their hind legs and excommunicate somebody, they’ll remain pathetically useless.


18 posted on 11/07/2008 3:07:13 PM PST by livius
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To: ArrogantBustard

We may yet see such things. The moral voices of the bishops are strengthening.


19 posted on 11/07/2008 3:11:28 PM PST by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: livius

The bishops did not let either Biden or Pelosi get away with it. They immediately made strong statements to refute the politicians’ erroneous (immoral) positions.


20 posted on 11/07/2008 3:13:04 PM PST by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: sandyeggo

Thought this might interest you.


21 posted on 11/07/2008 3:32:52 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
Your contact information is an exercise in futility, I am afraid. St. John's is Cardinal Mahoney's institution, his home ground from which I had at least one cousin leave due to the sctivities that were (and are, I would assume,)overlooked there.

My cousin left. (Mahoney was right ahead of him) My family knows and have loved more than its shares of its ""graduates" who are defrocked and/or in jail ... all products of St. John's.
22 posted on 11/07/2008 4:04:36 PM PST by AKA Elena (Perpetual Rosary at http://culion i.detmich.com/rosary.html)
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To: SumProVita

And then what happened?

Freegards


23 posted on 11/07/2008 4:11:33 PM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: SumProVita

They can make all the statements they want. Words are meaningless - in fact, Pelosi’s bishop didn’t even really say much, just said he’d “talk to her” later. To my knowledge, he hasn’t done this. Or maybe he called her to congratulate her on Obama’s election.


24 posted on 11/07/2008 4:19:24 PM PST by livius
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yup... he’s guilty of materially cooperating in evil as well as scandal. Nice bit of work for your 15 minutes of fame, Mr. Kmiec...


25 posted on 11/07/2008 5:17:10 PM PST by djrakowski
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Kmiec is a swine.

Hope he got a good deal from the anti-Christ. Hope he enjoys the rest of this life.

The next one might not be so promising.


26 posted on 11/07/2008 5:46:31 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer

Can’t he find Vicki Gene Robinson’s phone number and “transition” to a “Church” that’s more his style?


27 posted on 11/07/2008 6:50:46 PM PST by TaxachusettsMan
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To: NYer

For a lawyer Kmiec seems unaware of the law he is talking about. It ties the hands of every state and local government, to the extent of making its hard for local authorities to hold abortion clinics to the same sanitary standards as ordinary clinics. The slightest restrictiono “the right.” is opposed by the pro-abortionists. They hate the comparism with slavery, but no other “right.” has enjoyed as much protection by the Constitution as abortion. Common sense exceptions to freedom of religion, speech or peaveble assembly are allowed by the Courts, but nothing comparable is found for the abortion right. Under our cours, the right to life is negotiable, but th right to death is absolute.


28 posted on 11/07/2008 8:45:25 PM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: NYer
Archbishop Chaput Eager to See Kmiec Deliver a Pro-Life Obama

29 posted on 11/07/2008 10:51:27 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

Who runs this seminary? Who’s the rector. We should all protest to the Vatican that a Catholic professor who support the pro-abortion candidate is speaking there. What kind of a message is this to priests in training?????

www.vatican.va


30 posted on 11/08/2008 2:13:14 AM PST by veritas2002
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