Posted on 11/11/2008 8:28:23 PM PST by Lisa_from Buckeye Country
This thread is incredible to me! I am a Christian, but Christians LOVE debate. What is going on here?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2130508/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2130508/posts
Everytime I post something, I get a reply in my inbox, to send replies to the one who started this thread. Again, this is this last place I thought my voice would be surpressed. Am I the only one upset by this travesty?
Are you logged in?
It’s a prayer thread.
Mr Robinson’s web site... Mr. Robinson’s rules
and here are the rules.
http://www.freerepublic.com/~religionmoderator/
Helloooo, it’s a prayer thread-not an I can’t stand Obama thread.
What are your guidelines in respect to this thread?
disregard post 6
Act like it.
A) You stepped into the Religion Forum without B) knowing the Religion Moderator's thread rules.
Think of it like your church. You would not care to have people traipsing through the sanctuary loudly debating. In the fellowship hall perhaps, not the sanctuary.
Ah, now this is a debate thread!
The prayer threads are for prayer. They are not for debate. Your voice is not being silenced. You just posted this thread.
Since we are off of the other thread, if you were paying attention we are mostly praying for Obama to repent of his sins and turn to the Lord. It isn’t because we think he is such a grand guy. We don’t. The people praying are pretty much universally opposed to his presidency. But, Scripture says we should pray for all of our leaders and those in authority that we may live peaceful lives. The Apostle Paul wrote such when Nero was head of Rome, so I believe he didn’t just mean pray for those you like.
Obama’s views are diametrically opposed to Scripture. His support of the death culture, repeal of constitutional rights, the homosexual agenda are all anathema to God. If he does not repent, he will be judged for these views and more. So will America for putting him in office.
Jesus said to pray for our enemies. We are doing that. It isn’t an easy task and I’ve pretty much taken a lot of flack for posting the prayer thread each night. But, we aren’t hypocrites. Barack Obama needs to know the Lord if we have any hope of surviving these next 4 years.
You can debate me out here. Just not on the prayer thread. Think of it as going inside a church versus outside on the street. It is inappropriate in a prayer setting to start bickering over what is being prayed about. Outside, you’re free to express your opinion, and I mine.
Ultimately, we have the Lord to answer to & He never said His instructions would be easy.
The easiest way to be banned is to get into the Religion Forum. I try to avoid it.
Well, this is really sad. Very sad. Folks praying for Obama, the man who will be the downfall of our country, but on THIS WEBSITE, our voices are surpressed.
In my church, don’t know about yours, but freedom of expression is still allowed, and encouraged.
This is just the beginning, I guess.
Start your own prayer thread with (OPEN) in the title.
The rules state all prayer threads are closed to debate. Start a thread somewhere else that isn’t a prayer thread (like this one), and we can discuss whether it is biblical or not to pray for Obama.
Incidentally, the Kos and others have taken notice of the threads & have been watching what Freepers are doing. You may decide praying for Obama is not your thing. But, we can at least act better than the Dems would in the same situation.
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OK. Ginger or Marianne? Wilma or Betty?
Thanks.
Plenty of other threads on FR to express yourself. That one is for prayer.
That is a daily prayer thread. Tomorrow there will be a new one that says “Pray for our Nation & President-Elect Obama - Day 9”. This will continue until a new President is elected in 2012.
This was/is a continuation of the daily “Pray for our Nation & President Bush - Day 1 to 2780”
They are not up for debate threads.
If you don’t like it, don’t click it.
You may not like the words “President Obama”, but unless a strange turn of fate or a miracle happens he is our President Elect. We are not moonbats.
We pray for our Nation and it’s leaders, and do so daily.
I guess I had a fantasy version of this website, where one could express their opinion. Religion is part of that, as it is a huge part of my lifesytle. Freedom of speech doesn’t end when you walk into a church.
Again, this situation is very sad. Voices surpressed, again, I thought it would take a couple more years for that to happen.
Please express yourself on another thread
I’m pretty sure in most churches people don’t jump up during a prayer and start debating the person leading the prayer in the middle.
Makes sense to me, what you’re saying, about no debate in the religion forum.
Maybe it makes sense to pray for Nero, after all, St. Paul wrote we should do that...
I’m struggling with deep anger, though, that we sold our nation’s soul for a mess of pottage.
Don’t quite know what to do about that...
Ed
why can't you deal with it and respect the wishes of others? if you cannot, you are free to leave. it's a private site supported by private donations. the owner's wishes stand.
i am not religious. never, ever go to church. i never have occasion to go to the religious threads, but i respect the prayer threads. they are very important to our mission as a whole.
The wrath of God will be upon us, guaranteed. The pray for peace thing is over. It is time to stand up against evil. I will never pray for him, or agree with anyone who prays for him. His dye is cast. He is who he is, and none of it is good. I am embarrassed of this country now, and anyone who supports him in any way. I have not seen one sign that this being has good intentions for anyone except himself.
I see clearly who he is.
Believe me, I will.
I always log in through my beeber. That makes it impossible to accidentally log out and inadvertently stune yourself.
You really don't know much about this website, do you?
Prayer threads are not for debate. When they are having prayer in your church, do you stand up and complain that the pastor's sermon has theological flaws? Do you complain that the people that the pastor is praying for do not deserve prayer?
If you want to start your own "No Debate" thread, just check out the rules on the Religion Moderator's forum page.
There are plenty of religion threads where you can cut your theological teeth. Prayer threads are not among them.
paper or plastic
Amen....I assume I can safely say this on this thread, without being censured?
I agree. It’s nonsensical. Just make it a “Pray for our nation” thread. Leave Obama out of it.
very good. aisle or window?
We’ve had prayer threads on this forum for years on which we ask our posters to be respectful. A prayer thread is no place for the rough and tumble political debate.
Thanks
I bet Rev Wright would not put up with it
If this thread gets locked, it will be pretty funny.
Why keep banging your head against the wall?
Is this the hill you want to die on?
Personally I think there are better hills.....
But I am just an Okie...........
Lisa
calm down.....
sleep on it.... you might understand in the morning, but right now you are just offended and reacting..everyone is trying to explain, you are not hearing...
Window. Thanks.
Good Evening Jim
How can that be possibly be when it's only on your "fantasy version of this website, where one could express their opinion."
If you ask me, I think someone is in desperate need of attention.
Pray for this nation’s repentance.
There have been times in the past where the nation has gotten in deep trouble; where people cared more about the things of the world than their country or their God, where the church itself threatened to become a corpse.
Do you know that there were times in the 16-1700s where Christians were literally in hiding at some of the Ivy league colleges once founded on religious principles? Our country has been through some horrible things. But, when we have gotten as far as we could get and evil has abounded, God has heard the prayers of a remnant and turned the whole thing around.
He has also used the prayers of His people to prepare them for worse things to come. In 1857, Jeremiah Lamphier started a humble little prayer meeting in NYC that ended up turning into a huge revival throughout the land. This was no doubt in prep for the Civil war.
Things may get way worse before they get better. So, it is incumbent upon us to be praying for our nation and for repentance for our future probable Commander in Chief (which makes me cringe just typing those words knowing how he feels about the Military). If God doesn’t take control of this ship, we will go down.
You really don't understand the "Freedom of Speech" thing do you? Can always tell those types when they think that "Freedom of Speech" applies everywhere including private property.
Voices surpressed, again, I thought it would take a couple more years for that to happen.
Don't seem like your voice is being too surpressed(sic) to me.
The pray for the obamanation is repulsive. Being nice and not standing up to evil is exactly how we got in this situation. This world is a test by the Lord to resist evil. It is very simple.
Pretty ironic from a poster with the name "Salvation".
Lisa Cool your jets or you may get a time out have a drink or stop having a drink Just chill sister
smoking or non smoking
Very well put ... and reasonable.
I would welcome them, and let them speak their mind, then I would speak mine......I wouldn't have someone cover their mouth so they could not speak.
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