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On the end of Catholic Hospitals
American Papist ^ | November 13, 2008 | Thomas Peters

Posted on 11/13/2008 9:51:40 AM PST by NYer

Ed Morissey at Hot Air tells us how serious the bishops are about not allowing Catholic Hospitals to be forced into performing abortions under FOCA:
[The bishops will] shut them down and take the losses in order to prevent their use as abortion clinics. To do otherwise, the bishops stated, would be to cooperate in the evil of abortions.

What kind of impact would that have? The Catholic Church is one of the nation’s biggest health-care providers. In 2007, they ran 557 hospitals that serviced over 83 million patients. The church also had 417 clinics that saw over seven million patients. If they shut down almost a thousand hospitals and clinics nationwide, the US would not just lose a significant portion of available health care, but the poor and working-class families that received the health care would have fewer options.

Also, the Catholic Church runs this on a non-profit basis, spending vast sums of its money to ensure access for those unable to pay. That’s the kind of model that many on the Left believe should exclusively provide health care — and FOCA would spell the end of the major provider already in that model.
Notice that point about Catholic hospitals being non-profits? And to think that a common criticism of the Catholic pro-life movement during this election was that, somehow, we aren't serious about providing concrete medical care and assistance to the poor. Simply unbelievable.

So how serious are democrats and Obama about FOCA? Serious enough to push the Catholic Church in the US out of the health care industry?

Let's hope drawing these clear lines in the sand will give them pause. We're not blinking first.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bho2008; catholic; foca; healthcare; hospitals; proaborts; theend; usccb

1 posted on 11/13/2008 9:51:40 AM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

They had better stand tall, strong and totally united on this issue.


2 posted on 11/13/2008 9:52:26 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

We’ll see.


3 posted on 11/13/2008 9:54:02 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obama ripped W a New Tone.)
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To: NYer

I believe they will....and pray they will, even though it will result in a crisis in the land when they close their doors. May God help His remnant to stand in the coming days.


4 posted on 11/13/2008 9:55:22 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: NYer

I was born in a Catholic hospital and my doc and HMO are still there. Great hospital and the sisters still run it. The church needs to stand up. Too bad part-time Catholics voted for O and hsi corrupt baby killers.


5 posted on 11/13/2008 9:58:30 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: NYer

I hope they stay strong on this issue. They have more hand than they know. There is a Catholic hosptial down the street from me and as much as I appreciate it being there; I would rather it shut down than to ever have an abortion performed there. This is also an excellent chance to pit the workers in the hospitals against the rabid abortionists in the rat party.


6 posted on 11/13/2008 9:59:52 AM PST by Lou Budvis (Demoralize his base, Blame him for everything. Hold him to all his worthless promises)
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To: wagglebee

What was I just saying yesterday?


7 posted on 11/13/2008 10:03:42 AM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: NYer

To do otherwise would contravene centuries of Church dogma on a very significant moral issue.

There is no way the Catholic Church would allow its hospitals to be turned into abortion clinics.

I wonder how “The One” will deal with this. If he is as smart and pragmatic as he present himself, he will back off.


8 posted on 11/13/2008 10:17:09 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: NYer

The anti-Christ Obama and all its demonic dammocrap minions, and everyone who voted for the anti-Christ Obama can all return back to their father, the liar.


9 posted on 11/13/2008 10:18:38 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer
Close them all if necessary.
10 posted on 11/13/2008 10:20:40 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

it’s not just the Hospitals that will have to close. Schools may have to someday close because they choose not to promote gay marriage as equal. Church marriages may not be recognized as valid for the same reason. Certainly there are those who would also like to remove tax-free status from Catholic Churches because they are advocating “political” ideas.

We may not see it in our lifetimes, but perhaps any remaining Catholics who choose not to join the Government Churches (as in China) will need to go underground.


11 posted on 11/13/2008 10:26:39 AM PST by PGR88
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To: NYer
They had better stand tall, strong and totally united on this issue.

I hope so. My area's Catholic hospital was the hold out until a decade or so ago on joining the regional health system, but they are part of it now and overt Catholicness of the place has all but vanished. Local CINOs who pushed for it explain it away, but they caved. I hope others will stand strong and united.

12 posted on 11/13/2008 10:36:49 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: NYer
Also, the Catholic Church runs this on a non-profit basis, spending vast sums of its money to ensure access for those unable to pay. That’s the kind of model that many on the Left believe should exclusively provide health care — and FOCA would spell the end of the major provider already in that model.

The Catholic run hospital is the model of healthcare and hospital that the left envisions, yet they seek to force it's hand? Which will of course only worsen the healthcare situation, for those already on the edge of affording care. One would hope those on the left would see the need to let the Catholic hospitals exist as they have, a vital part of our healthcare system.

13 posted on 11/13/2008 10:42:49 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: NYer

Most of this is BS from the Obama team - they would already know that if the Catholic Hospitals shut down there would be a dramatic shortfall in hopital beds and people would be beiging for Obama’s blood (while blaming the Catholics of course). The fact is it would take long term planning to get this to happen. The government would slowly but surely have to get hold of the Catholic hospitals and then trun them.

Bishops - Call this Obama bluff!


14 posted on 11/13/2008 10:59:50 AM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: NYer

I watched the bishops on EWTW discuss these items a few days ago. What I don’t understand is how they would divest these hospitals of the Catholic presense and not let them be converted into secular hospitals that do the evil they would then do.


15 posted on 11/13/2008 11:36:05 AM PST by SaintDismas
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To: anniegetyourgun

Something similar happened in Massachusetts when the State tried to force Catholic Adoption agencies to allow gay adoption. The Catholic Church said no; and, the State forced them to close rather than give a religious exemption. Political correctness trumps all!


16 posted on 11/13/2008 11:48:24 AM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: NYer

If they do shut down, it will provide an excuse for Obama to take them over.


17 posted on 11/13/2008 11:53:53 AM PST by Defiant (I for one welcome our new Obama Overlords.)
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To: NYer

DO it! I’ve heard this before, but they need to get serious about it.


18 posted on 11/13/2008 12:02:21 PM PST by FrdmLvr (What fresh hell is this?)
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To: NYer

There was a time when the bishops were men who stood up for their beliefs. Bishop Sheen and Cardinal Spellman, in particular, stand out.

The good bishop had the most watched show on TV, at the time. One reason was his oratory and his honest simplicity.

Cardinal Spellman, on the other hand, knew how to play hard ball. During one particularly rancorous discussion over state aid to Catholic schools (buses, textbooks and supplies), he told the politicians “No help, no schools”. He threatened to shut down every Catholic school in the Archdiocese - an absolute disaster for the politicians. He prevailed.


19 posted on 11/13/2008 12:04:03 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: melsec

25% of all beds are in hospitals with the word Saint in its name. You want a healthcare crisis? We’ll give you one. Let’s see the Civilian Security Force try to take church property.


20 posted on 11/13/2008 12:17:51 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: NYer

Expect democrats to take the hospitals by Eminant Domain


21 posted on 11/13/2008 1:17:08 PM PST by kidd
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To: NYer

My prayers are lifted.


22 posted on 11/13/2008 1:46:58 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: bmwcyle

Ping


23 posted on 11/13/2008 2:04:11 PM PST by theKid51
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To: melsec

Bishops - Call this Obama bluff!

Amen!!


24 posted on 11/13/2008 2:07:51 PM PST by victim soul
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To: massgopguy

They will. The government can take anyone’s property, especially when they disregard the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and after they put in their puppet judges. Pray for the protection of our conservative judges on the SCOTUS.


25 posted on 11/13/2008 5:21:17 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: NYer
[The bishops will] shut them down and take the losses in order to prevent their use as abortion clinics. To do otherwise, the bishops stated, would be to cooperate in the evil of abortions.

As they damn well should.

26 posted on 11/13/2008 5:25:28 PM PST by jwalsh07 (It's the Marxism Stupid!)
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To: NYer

You receive public money, expect to do the “state’s” bidding. Same goes for “vouchers.”


27 posted on 11/13/2008 5:26:48 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: All
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28 posted on 11/13/2008 7:39:12 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NTHockey

Two great men indeed! But it’s ironic you chose Sheen and Spellman; they despised each other.


29 posted on 11/13/2008 7:51:38 PM PST by baa39 (www.FightFOCA.com - innocent lives depend on you)
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To: PGR88

We will have to do what the Irish did in the 18th century, when the Penal Codes made it a capital crime to teach an Irish child to read or write:

“Throughout those dark days, the hunted schoolmaster, with price upon his head, was hidden from house to house. And in the summertime, he gathered his little class, hungering and thirsting for knowledge, behind a hedge in a remote mountain glen—where, while each in turn the battered lads kept watch from the hilltop for the British soldiers, he fed to his eager pupils the forbidden fruit of knowledge.”

—Mac Manus, “The Story of the Irish Race” p.461


30 posted on 11/13/2008 8:01:14 PM PST by Palladin (Obama on Ayers: "He's just a guy in my neighborhood." LIAR!!!)
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To: NYer

Does the FOCA demand that Catholic hospitals and Drs perform abortions?


31 posted on 11/13/2008 8:21:41 PM PST by uscabjd ( a)
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To: PGR88

The Catholic Church began underground, is currently underground in China, and will no doubt be underground again before this is all over. The only real issue is to pray that we have the faith to remain true to it.


32 posted on 11/13/2008 8:43:53 PM PST by bradthebuilder (War is peace; Ignorance is strength; Freedom is slavery)
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To: uscabjd

FOCA would nullify state laws that protect doctors and hospitals that refuse to perform abortions. The USCCB has an analysis here :

http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/FOCA/analysis.pdf

FOCA would make abortion a fundamental right, like voting or free speech. That would strike down any state laws that allow doctors, pharmacists and hospitals who do not wish to perform abortions to opt out. They would be forced to either do the abortions or close.


33 posted on 11/13/2008 9:02:48 PM PST by voiceinthewind
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To: voiceinthewind

Thanks for the analysis. I believe forcing Catholic or any other Dr/nurse to perform abortions in violation of their religious beliefs violates the 1st Amend freedom of religion. Gov’t cannot force a Jew or Muslim to eat a ham sandwich.


34 posted on 11/14/2008 7:40:47 AM PST by uscabjd ( a)
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To: kidd
Expect democrats to take the hospitals by Eminant Domain

Scorched Earth.

35 posted on 11/14/2008 7:43:17 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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An end to the conscience-exemption for abortions? Closing Catholic hospitals? Perhaps we NEED a civil war.


36 posted on 11/14/2008 7:53:22 AM PST by Godwin1
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To: Godwin1

They won’t just close the hospitals, they won’t sell them either, so they can’t reopen under new management and kill babies. Wonder if Obama’s Left will pony up the bucks and redistribute their personal wealth to help these folks?


37 posted on 11/14/2008 8:27:39 AM PST by voiceinthewind
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To: uscabjd
I think it also violates the same "privacy rights" supposedly upheld in the Roe and Casey decisions -- specifically, the right of a doctor to opt out of abortion, the right of a pro-life patient to be able to choose to receive medical services from a pro-life doctor, and the right of both pro-life doctors and patients to come to their own conclusions about when human life begins, and to act on those conclusions.

IOW, the "Freedom of Choice Act" is very anti-choice, and very pro-abortion.

38 posted on 11/14/2008 8:39:13 AM PST by Campion
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To: fortunecookie
The Catholic run hospital is the model of healthcare and hospital that the left envisions, yet they seek to force it's hand?

Not quite. You see they are privately run, and by a religious organization, no less. Passing FOCA is a win/win for the Rats and BO. They increase and strengthen abortion "rights" and they improve their case for socializing the medical industry when the Catholic Church shuts down their hospitals, thus reducing the medical care options for the poor.

39 posted on 11/15/2008 6:24:55 AM PST by TheDon
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