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The Acorn/CHD post (November 23rd CHD will be asking for your money) [Catholic Caucus]
American Papist ^ | November 14, 2008 | Thomas Peters

Posted on 11/14/2008 8:40:37 AM PST by NYer

I've had lots of people asking me about ACORN and the Catholic Campaign for Human Development (CHD). Both are certainly in the news alot these days:
The CCHD has donated more than $7.3 million to ACORN-related projects over the past decade, including $40,000 to an ACORN chapter in Las Vegas, Nevada, that was raided before the election in an investigation into fraudulent voter registration forms. Among other questionable documents, the ACORN chapter submitted registration forms for members of the Dallas Cowboys football team.
Earlier this week I blogged about the US bishops' decision to stop funding ACORN.

Now many folks are saying that the CHD should be axed as well. Diane at Te Deum has a good post on this subject. Joseph Lawler was reporting on this back in October for the American Spectator:

The CCHD, which is run by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), has funded far-left organizations with missions diametrically opposed to that of the Catholic Church for years, including, in the '90s, the pro-abortion group National Organization for Women and the American Civil Liberties Union.
Richard John Neuhaus has also tackled the topic. Tom McFeely at the National Catholic Register picks up his trail - and the last paragraph is particularly important:

Father Neuhaus notes in this article that since its creation “in the ideological climate of the 1960s,” CHD has never directly supported Catholic charitable activities that aid the poor. It has concentrated instead on funding politically active groups such as ACORN that often support agendas like abortion rights that are in conflict with basic Church teachings.

Said Father Neuhaus, “What most Catholics don’t know, and what would likely astonish them, is that CHD very explicitly does not fund Catholic institutions and apostolates that work with the poor.”

And all of this attention couldn’t come at a worse time for CHD, with its annual collection in Catholic parishes scheduled for later this month. Under these circumstances, lay Catholics can scarcely be faulted for asking themselves whether they should place any money on this year’s CHD collection plate.

That's right, November 23rd CHD will be asking for your money, as you can see on the USCCB website.

There are so many good organizations strapped for cash these days - why take a risk on CHD?


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: acorn; cchd; chd; usccb

1 posted on 11/14/2008 8:40:38 AM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

A truly timely topic for your consideration.


2 posted on 11/14/2008 8:41:16 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

I attended the Catholic Citizens of Illinois fundraiser last week and I was thrilled at the announcement made from the Podium.

Illinois Catholics were asked to WITHOLD their donations to the offering that was upcoming to the CHD because the offering was given to ACORN that was tied to election fraud!!

I cheered!!


3 posted on 11/14/2008 8:50:11 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: NYer

Ithought they banned ACORN from the list.????


4 posted on 11/14/2008 8:50:39 AM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: NYer

Father Neuhaus notes in this article that since its creation “in the ideological climate of the 1960s,” CHD has never directly supported Catholic charitable activities that aid the poor. It has concentrated instead on funding politically active groups such as ACORN that often support agendas like abortion rights that are in conflict with basic Church teachings.

That’s all I need to know...sending to my Catholic friends to tell them to keep thier money in thier pockets.


5 posted on 11/14/2008 8:51:21 AM PST by oust the louse (NOT voting this November is a vote for Barack Hussein Obama....think about that.)
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To: NYer
(November 23rd CHD will be asking for your money)

Ask and ye shall be rebuffed, to coin a phrase.

6 posted on 11/14/2008 8:52:55 AM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: NYer

Save. Thanks for posting.


7 posted on 11/14/2008 8:55:47 AM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: oust the louse

I am highly suspicious that if the parish does not collect the required monies for the CHD, the parish will be forced to pay its assesment from the regular Collection.

There is a precedent for this conclusion based on the fact that if the pact does not collect the assesed monies for the ARCHBISHOP GREGORY’S ANNUAL APPEAL THE PARISH MUST PAY THE MONIES FROM ITS REGULAR COLLECTIONS.

Hence, just because you may withhold contribution from the CHD, THE PARISH WILL PROBABLY BE FORCED TO PAY THE ASSESMENT FROM THE REGULAR COLLECTION.

In the diocese of Atlanta, the regular collection monies are sent to the ARCHDIOCESE BASED ON THE FOLLOWING FORMULA:

The $250,000 remain at the local parish.

28% of all other monies that are collected are sent to Archbishop Wilton Gregory to spend as he pleases with no accountability or transparency.

The wealth is spread around as Archbishop Gregory as he sees fit. While ACORN may not receive any monies, a new organization will be formed with the same charter and will be funded by the USCCB!

Don’t forget that most of these Bishop ar political beings and do whatever they have to do to be part of the OBAMA BANDWAGON.

Only 100 bishops signed up for the Pro Life position before the election.

Where were the other bishops?


8 posted on 11/14/2008 9:07:48 AM PST by ethics
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To: chicagolady

I will not give the Catholic Church a nickel anymore until I know ACORN is off the list along with LULAC, SEIU (union)La Raza or any group like that. I told my priest that I will come to confession only.

I am shocked the church supports groups that support abortionists and people who support stealing elections.


9 posted on 11/14/2008 9:22:12 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: ethics; All
Y'know, ethics, you got me in a spot of trouble the last time you were ranting and raving about Abp. Gregory. You claimed that he was an Obama supporter and would not speak out on the abortion issue to shield his 'friend' -- and the very next week he published a letter in the Bulletin speaking out and saying that life issues were of paramount importance and trumped any 'social justice' issues.

It looks like this screed about the CHD is merely your surmise or suspicion. I am not going to take your word for it a second time and be highly embarassed again.

I am going to do what you SHOULD have done before you posted this message -- call the Atlanta archdiocesan offices and inquire as to whether the parish has to make up any shortfall (if shortfall there be) for CHD.

I suggest you do the same.

10 posted on 11/14/2008 9:29:01 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day
Ithought they banned ACORN from the list.????

The collection is for CHD which funds other organizations whose work is not aligned with the Catholic faith.

11 posted on 11/14/2008 9:37:12 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Frantzie; chicagolady
I am shocked the church supports groups that support abortionists and people who support stealing elections.

It is very disappointing. Have you established a retirement fund? Ask your financial advisor about your investment portfolio. You may discover that some of the firms in which you are invested are right up there with ACORN in supporting abortion and fetal stem cell research. If so, you should look into:

Ave Maria Mutual Funds

12 posted on 11/14/2008 9:45:08 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Thanks. The funds are run by Amy Domini? Does she avoid lib things like open-borders.

Until the church cuts off ACORN and other leftists groups I will give nothing or a $1 or change on Sunday.


13 posted on 11/14/2008 10:11:48 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: AnAmericanMother

The Appeal does get assessed, but I don’t believe that any other extra collection does!


14 posted on 11/14/2008 10:55:14 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: ethics
I called the Archdiocese.

The person who knows about the CHD is not in. They are supposed to be calling me back. We will see.

15 posted on 11/14/2008 10:59:53 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: NYer

Thanks, NYer. I had no idea.


16 posted on 11/14/2008 11:01:44 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer
I know this is a Catholic Caucus thread, but I hope this post will be considered welcome and instructive.

The whole "Campaign for Human Development," if I recall correctly, was somehow tied in with the Saul Alinsky organization ("If you want peace, work for justice"). That was a big mistake on the Bishops' part.

Anyone besides me remember their lefty TV commercials? I remember on in particular that admitted they were working for "social change."

17 posted on 11/14/2008 12:06:27 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vatabbet 'ishto me'acharayv; vatehi netziv melach.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I have never heard that CHD collections can be taken from the parish in general. I’ve never been in a diocese that did that with the diocesan appeal, either. There’s a goal, but if the parish doesn’t meet it, they just get a sad note.
The priests’ retirement collection does come out of general funds, here, if the special collections aren’t sufficient.

I stopped supporting CHD when I learned that its purpose is to fund “intermediary” organizations, rather than to fund outfits doing useful work directly. I don’t think that’s effective, and would rather give extra to the priests’ retirement.


18 posted on 11/14/2008 2:10:49 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: NYer; narses; cpforlife.org

Never give money to the Campaign for Human Development. This is a racket. The money should stay with Catholic families or go to scholarships for Catholic education. Let the Democrats, George Soros and Warren Buffett pick up the tab for ACORN and the CHD.

19 posted on 11/14/2008 3:35:46 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Great picture! “Watch me pull a President out my hat!”


20 posted on 11/14/2008 3:43:32 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: Tax-chick

Or an acorn?

Hence, Rocky the Flying Squirrel.
I think we have found our mascot there.

Just need the Bullwinkle Moose to go along with him.

21 posted on 11/14/2008 4:03:43 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: NYer

The problem of the Marxist light agenda (its unapologetic “liberation theology” in practice)of the CCHD is not limited to that group. Indeed, it is not an institutional problem possessed by the CCHD but rather of the USCCB. CCHD funded Alinskian radicals for decades and for a simple reason-—that is what the USCCB wanted. From its movie reviews run amock, to its lobbying for more government to fix every societal problem including centralized government health care and vocal opposition to welfare reform, to its left wing support for amnesty, to its secretive meetings with democrats on pulling out early from Iraq, the USCCB has used the CCHD intentionally to further its socialism agenda. The USCCB advocates every socialistic big government program lobbying its friends in the Democratic Party, and then can’t even join together to draft a forceful pro life stance prior to the election for fear it will insult those democrats on whom they depend to advocate their socialistic agenda.

Is it any wonder as to what is happening with the Catholics in this country that almost 50% could justify support for a candidate who espouses nationwide recognition of homosexual marriage, human cloning and Frankenstein like embryonic research, federally subsidized abortions and abortion as a condition of foreign aid, forced redistribution of wealth and private property, open borders, and a true hatred for the virtues of the American ideal. If you have any doubt about the USCCB domestic agenda, spend some time on their website for starters and simply do some research. Acquaint yourself with their agenda and with their Domestic Policy Director Kathy Sayers. So, when it comes time to pass the plate, ask yourself how much is going to the USCCB not just the CCHD (Casual Catholic Human Development).

Ask your bishop how much each diocese is taxed for this nonsense. And then, give to the true mission of the Church. Give to those pastoral groups fighting and striving to do real charity. Shop when giving your money, your love, your charity, to the Church mission to ensure you are doing just that. There are many worthy diocesan level needs. Turn away from what Pope Benedict called the “mythology” of hope that some wish to find in their politics and confuse as their religion.


22 posted on 11/14/2008 7:02:51 PM PST by cthemfly25
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To: NYer
Perhaps poster did not see this thread.

Catholic Church drops ACORN funding

23 posted on 11/14/2008 7:24:30 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; NYer; narses

Never give money to the Campaign for Human Development. This is a racket.

I read that exact same thing in the Wanderer many years ago. So much corruption in the Church.

Also btw where I learned about Saul Alinsky.


24 posted on 11/14/2008 8:57:29 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Salvation

it’s probably temporary, and, what about the thousands of other alinsky/socialist/marxist/obamaist organizations the cchd funds?


25 posted on 11/14/2008 9:02:54 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: NYer

Catholics officially filling abortion coffers. Who would’a thunk it?


26 posted on 11/15/2008 7:04:33 AM PST by onedoug
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To: NYer

And in case you’re not wild about investing within the perimeter of Tom Monaghan’s ever-expanding ego, there is another Catholic-values group of funds available: http://www.aquinasfunds.com/


27 posted on 11/15/2008 10:50:08 AM PST by NancyDrew
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