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Kmiec defends Obama support in lecture at Catholic seminary
Catholic News Agency ^ | Nov 15, 2008

Posted on 11/15/2008 6:42:26 AM PST by Alex Murphy

Camarillo, CA, Nov 15, 2008 / 06:11 am (CNA).- Doug Kmiec, a pro-life Catholic who vocally supported President-elect Barack Obama’s presidential candidacy, defended his support for the pro-abortion rights politician in a lecture Tuesday at St. John’s Seminary in Camarillo, California.

About 30 to 40 protesters against Kmiec’s speech stood in silence outside the seminary gates, an attendee who requested anonymity told CNA. Inside the seminary, nearly 300 people listened to Kmiec’s speech, the Thirteenth Annual Newman C. Eberhardt lecture.

Father Eberhardt was a long-time history professor at the seminary.

“Several of his students wished that he could be there to demolish Dr. Kmiec’s presentation point by point,” the attendee told CNA, claiming that the setting of the event “causes scandal to the faithful and sows confusion throughout the non-Catholic community.”

Monsignor Craig Cox, the seminary rector, greeted the audience and gave a benediction. Father Richard Benson, academic dean and chair of moral theology, introduced Prof. Kmiec with a description of the “angst of the seminary administration” in inviting Kmiec.

The priest reportedly said that the administration decided to invite Kmiec in order to present differing views for consideration.

Kmiec began his lecture by referring to then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger’s 2004 letter to the U.S. bishops which advised that a vote for a pro-abortion rights candidate can be permitted “in the presence of proportionate reasons.” Kmiec, a Pepperdine University law professor and a former official in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations, then went on to explain how he came to support Obama’s candidacy.

An early supporter of former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, Kmiec said he was disappointed that, in his view, the Republican Party rejected Romney’s candidacy on the basis of his Mormon religion. Not finding the views of the eventual Republican nominee Sen. John McCain consistent with Romney’s positions, he looked elsewhere.

Kmiec told how he was first drawn to Obama during his “Call to Renewal” speech. Attending a meeting which included Rev. Franklin Graham, son of the famous evangelist Rev. Billy Graham, he told how he became convinced that while Obama had no religious upbringing, he is a religious man.

According to the lecture attendee who spoke to CNA, Kmiec described how his decision to support Obama included weighing the candidate’s platform with Catholic social teaching. He became part of Obama’s Catholic outreach program to secure the Catholic vote, which has consistently sided with the winner of the past ten presidential elections.

The Obama campaign’s Catholic outreach was described as “tightly organized” at the national, state, and local levels.

Kmiec noted that he had pressed Obama concerning what have been perceived to be his gaffes on abortion issues.

Questioning Obama about comments about not wanting his daughter “punished with a baby,” Obama told Kmiec “That’s not it.” The candidate then explained his belief that a child is indeed a punishment for many who do not have the economic and social support to care for a child.

Explaining his belief that the legal fight against abortion is lost, Kmiec advocated reducing the numbers of abortions through economic means and fully informing women about abortion. He also added that Obama had worked for the Catholic Campaign for Human Development, a primary vehicle for Catholic charity.

Concluding his remarks, Kmiec said he would always “bear the scar” of being refused Communion at Mass for the Catholic business leaders’ group Legatus, where a deacon believed his support for Obama should have barred him from receiving. Kmiec related how he loved his faith and didn’t know what he would do without it.

In audience questions following the lecture, a priest proposed a hypothetical situation in which Kmiec has a telephone conversation with Pope Benedict. The priest asked whether Kmiec would ask for further explanation of the letter to the U.S. bishops concerning proportionality in voting decisions.

Kmiec stated that if the Pope said, “Doug, you’re wrong,” he would then have to tear out the first 174 pages of his pro-Obama book and stand with the Magisterium.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; kmiec; kniec; moralabsolutes; obama; obamatransitionfile
Questioning Obama about comments about not wanting his daughter “punished with a baby,” Obama told Kmiec “That’s not it.” The candidate then explained his belief that a child is indeed a punishment for many who do not have the economic and social support to care for a child.

Explaining his belief that the legal fight against abortion is lost, Kmiec advocated reducing the numbers of abortions through economic means and fully informing women about abortion. He also added that Obama had worked for the Catholic Campaign for Human Development, a primary vehicle for Catholic charity.

Concluding his remarks, Kmiec said he would always “bear the scar” of being refused Communion at Mass for the Catholic business leaders’ group Legatus, where a deacon believed his support for Obama should have barred him from receiving. Kmiec related how he loved his faith and didn’t know what he would do without it.

1 posted on 11/15/2008 6:42:27 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
Kmiec has been revealed in First Things (and elsewhere) as a hypocrite stooge of the left. To call him prolife is a sick joke. But then these are sick times.
2 posted on 11/15/2008 6:47:34 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Alex Murphy

This guy was in the Reagan administration, supported Romney in the primaries, and ended up supporting Barack Obama in the general election. Talk about a wide range.


3 posted on 11/15/2008 6:49:04 AM PST by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: Alex Murphy
About 30 to 40 protesters against Kmiec’s speech stood in silence outside the seminary gates, an attendee who requested anonymity told CNA.

LOL! Boy, that really showed 'em!

4 posted on 11/15/2008 6:56:18 AM PST by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
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To: Alex Murphy
"Doug Kmiec, a pro-life Catholic CINO who vocally supported President-elect Barack Obama’s presidential candidacy, defended his support for the pro-abortion rights politician in a lecture Tuesday at St. John’s Seminary in Camarillo, California."

Dang those proofreaders--how come they always miss these typos?!?
5 posted on 11/15/2008 7:02:22 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: Alex Murphy
"Kmiec stated that if the Pope said, “Doug, you’re wrong,” he would then have to tear out the first 174 pages of his pro-Obama book and stand with the Magisterium. "

How about from an even higher authority?

Doug, your wrong....signed God

6 posted on 11/15/2008 7:05:01 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: nevergore

See, he’s so important that it requires the Pope - no one else can pass judgement on Dougie’s pensamientos. Until then, when a passant local priest tells him not to receive communion, why he’s just an aggrieved visionary.


7 posted on 11/15/2008 7:14:56 AM PST by sobieski
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To: Alex Murphy
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8 posted on 11/15/2008 7:21:04 AM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Alex Murphy
Kmiec related how he loved his faith and didn’t know what he would do without it.

He had better learn how to get along without it. He has excommunicated himself.

9 posted on 11/15/2008 7:39:34 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Kmiec is certainly a HYPOCRITE.He knows he twists the truth.


10 posted on 11/15/2008 7:43:17 AM PST by ardara
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To: Alex Murphy
Doug Kmiec, along with anyone else who thinks tolerating evil is fine and dandy, are reprobates, period.

Not only has Obama ANNOUNCED he is going to expand access for abortions, but the fellow reprobate along with Doug, ANNOUNCED he wants the tax payer (That includes pro-life people Doug) to pay for them.
11 posted on 11/15/2008 7:47:35 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
He had better learn how to get along without it. He has excommunicated himself.

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Amen. I would like to see Pope Benedict revisit this issue.

12 posted on 11/15/2008 7:53:23 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sobieski
Is that ozone I smell in the air?

I believe a good “Smote” is afoot for Kmiec....

13 posted on 11/15/2008 8:03:52 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: Alex Murphy
Doug Kmiec, a pro-life Catholic

The article starts out with a misnomer. There is no such thing as a pro-life Catholic who supported pro-death Obama. There may be plenty of CINOs who supported him, but not any true Catholic Christians or Christians of any denomination.

A committed Christian cannot support the murder of innocent human beings at any stage of life from conception to natural death without making a mockery of God's laws and the Church for which His divine, virgin-born Son gave His own life to bring into being. Therefore anyone who supported infanticide by voting for Obama cannot truthfully claim to be a believing, committed Christian of any or no denomination.

14 posted on 11/15/2008 8:04:47 AM PST by epow (I'll keep my God, my freedom, my guns, and my money. You can keep THE CHANGE)
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To: Alex Murphy
Obama is a co sponsor of the FOCA.
Kmiec has to know that.
He is guilty of material cooperation with evil.
15 posted on 11/15/2008 8:25:34 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
He had better learn how to get along without it. He has excommunicated himself.

Hell's not even half full yet, there's still plenty of room there for Kmeic and other phony-baloney "Christians" who violated God's righteous laws by voting to continue the American holocaust under the reign of a pro-death president and a pro-death Congressional majority.

For the first time since 1973 we had a good chance of nominating and confirming at least one or two originalist Justices who would have given the SCOTUS a pro-life majority. But thanks to millions of professing Christians who voted for an imposter who they naively believe will protect their pocketbooks instead of voting to revive our government's former obedience to the moral laws that all Christians once pledged to obey, that one time chance has now gone up in smoke from the fires of hell itself.

16 posted on 11/15/2008 8:25:58 AM PST by epow (I'll keep my God, my freedom, my guns, and my money. You can keep THE CHANGE)
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To: ardara

***Kmiec is certainly a HYPOCRITE.He knows he twists the truth.***

How right you are!

***The priest asked whether Kmiec would ask for further explanation of the letter to the U.S. bishops concerning proportionality in voting decisions.***

The “proportionality in voting decisions” has been explained over and over and over. it’s very simple: If BOTH candidates for office are for abortion, then your decision has to be for the one who will do the least harm to the country. However, if only ONE candidate is for abortion, then you must vote for the other one.

Kmiec is either quite stupid if he can’t understand that, or he is a socialist who is trying to bring the Catholic church into line with HIS thinking.


17 posted on 11/15/2008 8:28:15 AM PST by kitkat (THE DAY WE LOSE OUR WILL TO FIGHT IS THE DAY WE LOSE OUR FREEDOM.)
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To: kitkat
I have the feeling that Kmiec has been encouraged by some of our clergy who dare not speak out in their own. Somewhere in our hierarchy is a Talleyrand.
18 posted on 11/15/2008 9:02:39 AM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: Alex Murphy

My questions for Mr. Kmiec.

Mr. Kmiec, Jesus said that no greater love than this exists, that one lay down one’s life for a friend. Would Jesus approve of a mother ending the life of her child for her own gain? I do not disparage girls, pregnant and afraid, but when she is told that she can avoid sacrifice by ending her pregnancy, isn’t that the opposite of what Jesus preached?

Jesus says that those who exalt themselves will be laid low. Isn’t abortion the ultimate exaltation of self?

When did Jesus’ life begin? Science proves that life begins at conception and abortion ends that life. How can voting for a man who will remove all restrictions on abortion and use taxes to fund them, square with the commandment, Thou shalt not murder?

If abortion is once again made illegal, millions of abortions in this country will not be performed. Do you honestly believe that Obama’s policies will reduce abortions by millions?

One last thing, Mr. Kmiec, it’s a good thing you were not in charge of winning the Revolutionary War. When all seemed lost, George Washington called upon the providence of God, asking for his help in defeating the enemy. George Washington never gave up and he never abandoned his belief in God. We have not lost the abortion battle, we are turning the tide and with God’s help and in God’s time, we will win.


19 posted on 11/15/2008 9:07:38 AM PST by Jvette
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bookmark.


20 posted on 11/15/2008 10:51:29 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Concluding his remarks, Kmiec said he would always “bear the scar” of being refused Communion at Mass for the Catholic business leaders’ group Legatus, where a deacon believed his support for Obama should have barred him from receiving. Kmiec related how he loved his faith and didn’t know what he would do without it.

Well, first thing, you should go read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Second thing, go to confession and admit where you have erred and not accepted the teachings of the Magisterium. Third thing, accept whatever acts of reconciliation you are given and do them.

The Didache ( also referred to as The Teachings of the Twelve Apostles ) , the oldest extant manual of church order, dating from the late first or early second century states: "You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish."

The bishops at the Second Vatican Council declared that, as Catholics, we believe what the Church authoritatively teaches on matters of faith and morals, for to hear the voice of the Church on those matters is to hear the voice of Christ himself. ( Lumen Gentium, No. 25; Mysterium Ecclesiae, No. 2 ) Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit guides the Church and protects it from error.

We believe that the Roman Pontiff, Pope Benedict XVI, is the successor of Peter, the Rock on whom Jesus Christ has built his Church, and is not just another man who is entitled to his opinions on faith. We believe that we are called to trust the Spirit to guide the Church, so we do not pick and choose among her teachings.

21 posted on 11/15/2008 12:08:33 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Psalm 66:7b "He watches every movement of the nations. Rebels will not be able to oppose Him.")
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To: Alex Murphy
Explaining his belief that the legal fight against abortion is lost, Kmiec advocated reducing the numbers of abortions through economic means and fully informing women about abortion.

This is Leftist sophistry, and Kmiec knows it.

Law as an expression of our moral values is a great bulwark against mass slaughter. People instantly admit that if you took away all laws against murder, you would get many, many more murders. It's common sense.

Yet what should be "common sense" -- that you will get many, many more abortions if you take away all laws against it (which is precisely what Roe v. Wade did, along with its evil companion Doe v. Bolton, which defined down "health of the mother" into meaningless absurdity)-- seems to escape people like Kmiec.

Yes, there were abortions before 1973, but not nearly on the scale of what we got post-Roe. In the US we went from a few thousand, at most, to 1,500,000 legally murdered per year.

Kmiec/Obama's position appears to be identical to BJClinton's from the '90s: To keep abortion "legal, safe...and rare." But that didn't work, did it. In America today, more children are aborted every day than were killed in a year before abortion laws were struck down.

I still hear people who think they sound smart when they claim "you can't legislate morality." But to paraphrase the great Robert Bork, those who make law do very little else.

Most laws are at their base an expression of community morality. Abolish those laws, and you end up with the disastrous cultural anomie that we see today.

22 posted on 11/15/2008 1:04:34 PM PST by shhrubbery! (Obama: The Only Senator Who Voted Against Stopping Infanticide)
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To: Bernard
This guy was in the Reagan administration, supported Romney in the primaries, and ended up supporting Barack Obama in the general election. Talk about a wide range.

More like a slide down hill.

23 posted on 11/15/2008 1:17:40 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Don't steal everything. Leave something for the next Democrat.)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Doug Kmiec, a pro-life Catholic...”

First falsehood.

Doug Kmiec, minion of Satan, is no more pro-life than its idol, the anti-Christ Obama.


24 posted on 11/15/2008 1:31:15 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Alex Murphy

pride, pride, pride, pride, pride.....


25 posted on 11/15/2008 3:29:52 PM PST by veritas2002
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To: Alex Murphy

obumpa


26 posted on 11/15/2008 7:56:28 PM PST by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: Bernard
This guy was in the Reagan administration, supported Romney in the primaries, and ended up supporting Barack Obama in the general election. Talk about a wide range.

I don't think it's that wide. He went from being a mole, to supporting a crypto-leftist, to supporting an out-and-out leftist.

There's a special place in hell for guys like this.
27 posted on 11/15/2008 8:11:26 PM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: Alex Murphy

To call Kmeic a conservative Catholic is to owe an apology to Petain.


28 posted on 11/15/2008 10:12:28 PM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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People who want to promote or condone evil, yet wear the cloak or badge of "religious person" should choose which they want to be. Either renounce the evil, and beg forgiveness, or quit playing the part of a phony religious person. All people of good will should shun this man.

29 posted on 11/16/2008 10:47:53 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah
"with a description of the “angst of the seminary administration” in inviting Kmiec."

Interesting way of putting it. There should never be ANY kind of pro-Obama event at a Catholic institution.

30 posted on 11/16/2008 11:53:00 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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