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Pope says Catholics in politics must follow faith
AP ^ | November 15, 2008

Posted on 11/15/2008 4:30:27 PM PST by NYer

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Benedict XVI is encouraging Catholics who get involved in politics to stay true to their church's teaching.

Benedict says it is necessary that a new generation of Catholics in politics be "coherent" with the faith they profess.

He also recommends that they act with moral rigor and work passionately for the common good.

The pope urged Vatican officials in a speech Saturday to be vigilant about the evangelical education of Catholics who get so involved in society.

Benedict recently said religion and politics should be "open to each other."

The Vatican is particularly attentive to political action about abortion, euthanasia and embryonic stem cell research.

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1 posted on 11/15/2008 4:30:27 PM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

This is directed to the universal Church, not just the US. The same secular/humanist problems we see here have surfaced in other countries around the globe.


2 posted on 11/15/2008 4:31:55 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Unfortunately the pope’s words fall on deaf ears. Might be God is still pissed at the church for covering up sexual within its ranks for decades and refusing to take responsibility for it (Cardinal Mahoney anyone?)


3 posted on 11/15/2008 4:33:34 PM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

4 posted on 11/15/2008 4:37:12 PM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
Might be that God who blessed this nation, is sick of ...

Sexual Abuse of Minors by Protestant Ministers .

5 posted on 11/15/2008 4:45:59 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Might be that God is disgusted with ppl who believe in another messiah.


6 posted on 11/15/2008 4:57:27 PM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: NYer; Anoreth

I love the Pope, nuts about him, but honestly, he never passes up an opportunity to say something so desperately obvious that I want to beat my head on the keyboard.

I know, I know ... Somebody Out There hasn’t heard this yet ...


7 posted on 11/15/2008 5:00:54 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

yep - the cover up is worse than the crime.


8 posted on 11/15/2008 5:06:20 PM PST by plain talk
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To: NYer

But what does he plan to do about those who don’t? As long as politicians can claim to be Catholic while pushing pro-baby killing legislation, and same-sex marriage initiatives, and nothing happens to them, it just falls on deaf ears.


9 posted on 11/15/2008 5:22:07 PM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Tax-chick

***know, I know ... Somebody Out There hasn’t heard this yet ...***

I have a bunch of relatives that voted for Obama. They are still of the 60s generation of peace love dope and social justice.

They have not heard. It has been preached, but it hasn’t taken.


10 posted on 11/15/2008 5:23:35 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

I guess the Pope has to say things over and over, since he can’t clobber anyone with a 2x4.


11 posted on 11/15/2008 5:27:08 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: Tax-chick

***I guess the Pope has to say things over and over, since he can’t clobber anyone with a 2x4.***

To a large extent, it is up to us, the faithful. Half of the bishops in the US may wind providing paving material to the floor of hell with their skulls, to invoke an old image.


12 posted on 11/15/2008 5:36:23 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Tax-chick

Oh,I dunno.The Pope could order some pro-abortion politicians excommunicated,that’s a pretty big stick if he feels like swinging it.(And I wish he would)


13 posted on 11/15/2008 5:36:39 PM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: MarkBsnr
To a large extent, it is up to us, the faithful.

Almost entirely, I'd say, given the extent to which we outnumber the clergy, and the variety of solid teaching materials available to us.

14 posted on 11/15/2008 5:40:39 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: Farmer Dean
The Pope could order some pro-abortion politicians excommunicated

Are you sure he has that authority, outside the Diocese of Rome? I'm not up on canon law to that extent.

15 posted on 11/15/2008 5:41:41 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: Tax-chick; kosta50

We could use some lessons from our Orthodox brethren. They have no qualms about divesting themselves from unOrthodox bishops.


16 posted on 11/15/2008 5:42:41 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

They’d throw theirs out for supporting “Humanae Vitae.” I don’t think we want to go there.


17 posted on 11/15/2008 5:43:55 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: Tax-chick; Farmer Dean

The Pope has full jurisdiction in the Latin Church.

I wish that he would excommunicate such as Mikulski, Pelosi and Biden just to set things straight.


18 posted on 11/15/2008 5:44:23 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Tax-chick

***They’d throw theirs out for supporting “Humanae Vitae.” I don’t think we want to go there.***

The first thousand years of Church history shows that Rome was keeper of Orthodoxy. It wasn’t until we separated from the East that we started to screw up. We do need to use the Orthodox model in moving ourselves back to Orthodoxy. How many of our bishops are in heresy?


19 posted on 11/15/2008 5:48:29 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

You support birth control, then?


20 posted on 11/15/2008 5:50:03 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: MarkBsnr
I wish that he would excommunicate such as Mikulski, Pelosi and Biden just to set things straight.

If it's true that he can, I agree. And a variety of others around the world, just to be fair. Pour encourager les autres.

21 posted on 11/15/2008 5:51:20 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: Tax-chick

***You support birth control, then?***

No. It is against Church teaching.


22 posted on 11/15/2008 5:51:34 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Tax-chick

***You support birth control, then?***

No. It is against Church teaching.


23 posted on 11/15/2008 5:51:35 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Tax-chick

***I wish that he would excommunicate such as Mikulski, Pelosi and Biden just to set things straight.

If it’s true that he can, I agree. And a variety of others around the world, just to be fair. Pour encourager les autres.***

It’s true. He can. He has full jurisdiction over the Latin Church. The only thing that is preventing the reunion is the role of the Pope vis a vis the Orthodox jurisdictions, along with a handful of doctrinal points.


24 posted on 11/15/2008 5:54:23 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
How many of our bishops are in heresy?

How many Orthodox bishops are in what we'd consider heresy? (My answer to both questions is, "I don't know.") Or, to be less formal, how many of either are conveying error to the faithful? (I still don't know.)

I know my Bishop isn't, and I know my two previous Bishops weren't. The one before that was a moonbat, but we only lived in the Nashville Diocese for a year.

25 posted on 11/15/2008 5:56:54 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: MarkBsnr

Well, get at it then, Pope Benedict! Would it be racist to mention Viking Kitties here, or are Bavarians far enough South to make it just irrelevant :-)?


26 posted on 11/15/2008 5:58:33 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: Farmer Dean

In imitation of Christ, I think maybe the Holy Father is waiting for them to recognize the sin and accuse themselves. Those whom Jesus forgave brought their sins to Him. He did not need to condemn them first.


27 posted on 11/15/2008 5:59:14 PM PST by informavoracious (It's after midnight, I'm FReepwalking...)
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To: informavoracious

That’s a great thought and I wish these people would recognize their error.The term reprobate comes to mind when thinking about these pro-abortion types.They are so self-justified in their sin that no voice of reason will ever persuade them.


28 posted on 11/15/2008 6:09:25 PM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
Might be God is still pissed at the church for covering up sexual within its ranks for decades and refusing to take responsibility for it

Sexual what within its ranks? Sodomy, yes. Seduction of the innocent, yes. But I think there is more to it than that. Adultery, killing children in the womb, greed, immodest dress (if we believe St. Padre Pio and the Blessed Mother), disrespect for the church...I think there is a multitude of sins for which we are all guilty that offends God. According to all approved apparitions, the Heavenly Father is none too happy with us.

29 posted on 11/15/2008 6:23:04 PM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: Tax-chick

***How many of our bishops are in heresy?

How many Orthodox bishops are in what we’d consider heresy? (My answer to both questions is, “I don’t know.”) Or, to be less formal, how many of either are conveying error to the faithful? (I still don’t know.)

I know my Bishop isn’t, and I know my two previous Bishops weren’t. The one before that was a moonbat, but we only lived in the Nashville Diocese for a year.***

We had some high hopes for the new bishop in the Davenport Diocese; he appears to have water flowing in his veins.


30 posted on 11/15/2008 7:30:06 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
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31 posted on 11/15/2008 7:36:51 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Tax-chick

***Well, get at it then, Pope Benedict! Would it be racist to mention Viking Kitties here, or are Bavarians far enough South to make it just irrelevant :-)?***

We need to work in our individual parishes as well. I might well upset the liberals tomorrow when I tear into them for what is coming out of the Obama camp over the last week.


32 posted on 11/15/2008 7:57:44 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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I wish that he would excommunicate such as Mikulski, Pelosi and Biden just to set things straight.

The Church is universal. It is not a dictatorship. The pope constantly addresses these issues with Catholic 'politicians' around the globe. But the responsibility to act remains with the local ordinary, as Tax Chick already indicated. Which leads to the next question .....

Why Doesn't the Pope Do Something about "Bad" Bishops?

33 posted on 11/16/2008 4:41:41 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: MarkBsnr

Best wishes for your Sunday! I’m fortunate that my Spanish-speaking congregation is largely apolitical, mainly because most of them can’t vote. Discussions after Mass focus on survival issues - children, clothes, food, jobs - which is about the extent of my conversational vocabulary.


34 posted on 11/16/2008 5:09:53 AM PST by Tax-chick ("I thank Thee, dear Jesus, that Thy will and not mine has been done." ~St. Frances Cabrini)
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To: NYer

Except that abortion and embryonic stem cells are an issue of reason and natural law. The article’s title is misleading.


35 posted on 11/16/2008 7:44:00 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: NYer

Religion is as a weapon in the hands of the user, for good or for evil.


36 posted on 11/16/2008 9:56:27 AM PST by onedoug
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To: NYer

I wish many of those Catholics in the north east and the west coast would follow their faith as if they did then those areas would be hard core red states


37 posted on 11/16/2008 10:22:02 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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