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Christians Attacked by Gays in Castro District, San Francisco
JHOPSF Member ^ | 11/17/08 | Vanity

Posted on 11/17/2008 7:01:17 AM PST by erkyl

I received this first-hand description of events that happened in San Francisco this past Friday night from a member of a Christian prayer group Justice House of Prayer-San Francisco. Please note there are some graphic descriptions in the email, but you can read most of it and skip the graphic portion if you wish.

A link to the news report is included, which includes video footage. The 'tolerance' of the left and the homosexual agenda is clearly evident in their violent and reprehensible actions against this peaceful group.


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We wanted to write you and fill you guys in on what happened to our team here in San Francisco last night. This is what happened from Daniel's point of view and gives a pretty good overview of the night.

I went to the Castro (the homosexual district of San Francisco) with JHOPSF (I have been with the Justice House of Prayer San Francisco since April 2008.) like we usually do on Friday nights. Normally, we sit on 18th and Castro, and someone plays the guitar, and we all worship God. Often times people will be drawn to us, even if only for curiosity of what we're doing, so we get to talk to them, and tell them about the Love of Jesus Christ. On rare occasions, when the Holy Spirit clearly guides one of us (Usually a leader, probably Roger), one person will open-air preach for a little bit.

Sometimes a person will yell at us, or maybe a few. Sometimes people will ignore us. Sometimes people will let us pray with them. We get different responses from different people each time, but the Lord always meets us there.

This time was not a normal night. It was the first time we'd been back in the Castro to do our normal outreach since California Proposition 8, which defined marriage as "one man with one woman" was passed. Apparently, previously, someone at a no on 8 rally singled out Promised Land Fellowship (The church that we attend), and specifically the team they send out to the Castro on Friday nights (Us) as being affiliated with the yes on 8 campaign (Which is partially true. All the individuals involved with the Castro Outreach were involved with the yes on 8 campaign, but mostly in prayer. However, the Castro Outreach isn't about Gay marriage, or politics - it's about Jesus Christ.).

We played the guitar and sang together and worshiped the Lord. Nobody preached. Nobody even really talked to anyone except for a little bit near the beginning. After just singing and worshiping God for a while, Roger decided that we should all hold hands in a circle and continue singing. So we did.

Someone (Actually a person who came up and hugged and kissed some of us who he knew from the past and was asking us how we were doing) convinced some people that we were there to protest against the no on 8 campaign. Then some guy who was dressed up like one of the sisters (The sisters of perpetual indulgence is a group of men who dress up in drag like nuns and call themselves the spiritual authority of the Castro.) took a curtain-type thing (Which I think they use to curse people) and wrapped it around us.

Then a crowd started gathering. We began to sing "Amazing Grace", and basically sang that song the whole night. (At some points we also sang "Nothing but the Blood of Jesus" and "Oh the Blood of Jesus".)

At first, they just shouted at us, using crude, rude, and foul language and calling us names like "haters" and "bigots". Since it was a long night, I can't even begin to remember all of the things that were shouted and/or chanted at us.

Then, they started throwing hot coffee, some people got it in their faces, soda and alcohol on us and spitting (and maybe even peeing) on us. Then, a group of guys surrounded us with whistles, and blasted them inches away from our ears continually.

Then, they started getting violent and started shoving us. We just gathered in as tight as we could together and worshiped singing Amazing Grace. At one point a man tried to steal one of our Bibles. Chrisdene noticed, so she walked up to him and said "Hey, that's not yours, can you please give it back?". He responded by hitting her on the head with the Bible, shoving her to the ground, and kicking her. I called the cops, and when they got there, they pulled her out of the circle and asked her if she wanted to press charges. She said "No, tell him I forgive him." Afterwards, she didn't rejoin us in the circle, but she made friends with one of the people in the crowd, and really connected heart to heart.

Roger got death threats. As the leader of our group, people looked him in the eyes and said "I am going to kill you.", and they were serious. A cop heard one of them, and confronted him.

(This part is kinda graphic, so you should skip the paragraph if you don't want to be offended.) It wasn't long before the violence turned to perversion. They were touching and grabbing me, and trying to shove things in my butt, and even trying to take off my pants - basically trying to molest me. I used one hand to hold my pants up, while I used the other arm to hold one of the girls. The guys huddled around all the girls, and protected them.

Soon after, the cops came and stood between us and the mob. When it was getting more heated, the cops were like "You guys should leave." because it was getting harder to protect us. and Roger said "We want to stay." Then he said if you want to get out you have to get out now.

Someone tried to steal my backpack, but I tapped a cop on the shoulder, and said "Hey, that's my bag." and he got it from him and gave it to me. Others weren't so lucky. Probably half our team got their jackets stolen.

Eventually, as the crowd was getting more and more uncontrollable, the cops were afraid for our lives, so they escorted us to our van. (The cops were very nice to us from start to finish.) Our van was parked pretty far because it was hard to find parking that day. As the cops escorted us, the mob followed us, until the cops formed a line, and held off the people so we could drive away. We took the long way home, just in case anyone tried to follow us.

When we got home, we prayed and sang more, and then prayed over each-other.The whole experience made me love, and brought me closer to God, and my friends, and the people in the Castro, as well as the church in general, and the lost in general.

Please know my heart. All of what we do is for the Love of Jesus Christ, and the love for those in the Castro. The Bible says to love God, and then love people. We can only love because He loved us first. We can't hate the people because they are just broken and blinded by the spirit of this age. Our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities and Powers. It's not a political thing, we just love the people. We don't want to convert gays to straight people. We want them to know the Love of Jesus Christ. Even if someone never becomes attracted to the other sex, they can still love Jesus Christ with all their heart, mind, and soul.

As the mob raged, all I could pray was "God have mercy.". It really is all about God's mercy. He desires mercy over judgment. He desires for all to be saved.

One of the things that I remember them chanting was "Shame on you.". One of our girls later pointed out how, in some weird way, it's a privilege for us, because we know that Jesus bore all our shame, and all our transgressions on the cross, so it's kinda like taking on their shame, so we can cast it onto Jesus.

This is the raw footage of the walk from 18th and Castro Street to our car. It was only the very tail end of the night and says that we were all about prop8... when in reality we had nothing to do with prop 8 this night.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/17986914/detail.html

May the Holy Lord God Almighty, Who Was, Who Is, and Who Is To Come, be glorified, now and forevermore. Amen. -Daniel-

Thank you for praying for us, and more for this people in the Castro. We have found ourselves even more broken over them. We love you!

Missy

1 posted on 11/17/2008 7:01:17 AM PST by erkyl
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To: erkyl

It is only the beginning.
Be prepared.


2 posted on 11/17/2008 7:05:25 AM PST by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: erkyl

Wow. Talk about walking through the Valley of the Shadow of Death; I will fear no evil.

Read the book of Revelation. One of these days God will take a flamethrower to San Fransicko.


3 posted on 11/17/2008 7:05:40 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: erkyl
I called the cops, and when they got there, they pulled her out of the circle and asked her if she wanted to press charges.
She said "No, tell him I forgive him."

And therein lies the answer as to why the violence will continue.
Either fight back physically or throw them in jail.
4 posted on 11/17/2008 7:09:11 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

I admit, my reaction would not have been so passive, but then these good people are wanting to continue to reach out to the community. If she had pressed charges, she probably felt she would have lost her chance to ever reach anyone there. On the other hand, it seems to me the cops should have been able to arrest them on something, (disorderly, attempted theft, endangerment) without having someone actually ‘press charges.’


5 posted on 11/17/2008 7:12:18 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: erkyl

sorry to hear
did anyone take a camera or a video recorder?.

it is important next time you go and I hope you do go as intimidation should not be rewarded.
Have a cell phone as well so when you see the first name call the cops ASAP

you have a right to religious freedom and a free speech

these are clearly defined in the constitution, their pervertedness is not. You have a right they do not and the woman should have pressed charges as they will only do it again.
letting him get away with this will only make him more bolder to the next victim.

Is there any guy who you know who can fight back whether in your family , friends , church or neighbors.
Sometimes if all else fails one has to defend ones self. I can tell you that you have more patience than men in that situation

quite ironic that they call and shout hate bigot and yet they are the ones who are showing hate, bigotry and intolerance.


6 posted on 11/17/2008 7:14:17 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: erkyl

Absolutely disgusting.

What is the message here - that homosexuality is incompatible with Christ and His message?

I fear we are in for even more violent acts.


7 posted on 11/17/2008 7:16:09 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: erkyl

sorry but you are not reaching out to that community, they have so much hate and intolerance you are wasting your time with them,
Hopefully you will press charges, you will fight back and you will get it on camera as they will become more and more boulder with their hate.

Keep up the good work but some people unreachable, but do not let them scare you away from there.
you are a threat to them and their sexual perverted mind and lifestyle do not give in


8 posted on 11/17/2008 7:17:00 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: erkyl

The video is chilling:

http://www.ktvu.com/news/17986914/detail.html


9 posted on 11/17/2008 7:19:12 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: manc

If you click on the link, there is some news video footage to the right of the article.

Can you imagine if this had happened to a group of Obama supporters prior to the election by a bunch of McCain supporters? Or if it had been a group of Muslims peacefully assembling together who were being attacked by a group of Christian extremists? Or if it had been a group of Gays/Lesbians who were being attacked by a group of skinheads? First, the attackers would have all been hauled into jail; second, it would have been all over the news; and third, the attackers would have been portrayed as the wrong-doers and the bad ones. Instead, the news reporters try to make this about Prop 8, when the Christian group has been doing this outreach for months. The attackers made it about Prop 8.

Christians (and conservatives) are the only group in America who can be persecuted and maligned in the press and ‘deserve it.’


10 posted on 11/17/2008 7:20:46 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: manc

Well, she did go where the Sinners are. But you are talking about a place where they had hedonistic sex until all their bodily fluids became a deadly poison, which they then claimed Civil Rights for.


11 posted on 11/17/2008 7:20:51 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: erkyl

Man, you just know the world has turned upside down when a bunch of Christians singing about Christ in the street are labelled haters and bigots.


12 posted on 11/17/2008 7:20:53 AM PST by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: Catholic Canadian
Man, you just know the world has turned upside down when a bunch of Christians singing about Christ in the street are labelled haters and bigots.

It's been happening since Christ walked on Earth, nothing new under the sun.

13 posted on 11/17/2008 7:22:59 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: erkyl

Some of my homosexual friends who used to be the most peaceful, loving, non-confrontational, are now very angry and aggressive about this, a complete personality change. They see this as (to quote them) their own fight against apartheid. They honestly believe this is a discrimination against them no different than racial discrimination.

How do you fight that? They have themselves convinced they are being treated as a lower class of human. The old days of being able to even chat about it have gone out the window.


14 posted on 11/17/2008 7:26:35 AM PST by mnehring
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To: dfwgator
It's been happening since Christ walked on Earth, nothing new under the sun.

True. I guess I just didn't see it for what it was. My eyes are now wide open, I have this site to thank for it.

15 posted on 11/17/2008 7:30:24 AM PST by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: erkyl

I agree and this is why we have to fight back now, we get all of this on camera, send it in to the media local and national.
We get it on you tube etc and we get it out why the police and those who are eelcted are not taking notice, why are they not being charged with hate crimes?

We have sat here for far too long and what this prop 8 has shown is that we all come togehter we can beat the homo machine all the time now.
You go out there and do what you think is right, ask a journalist to go with you undercover.


16 posted on 11/17/2008 7:31:09 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: erkyl
She said "No, tell him I forgive him."

Idiot. If this creep didn't ask forgiveness then all she's doing is enabling the behavior. She's also extremely unfamiliar with the Christian doctrine of forgiveness.

I'll go so far as to say she's a p*** poor Christian.

Unless and until someone truly repents of their behavior and asks forgivenenss no Christian is required to offer it.

The proper Christian response to this mob is a good ass-kicking.

L

17 posted on 11/17/2008 7:31:34 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: mnehrling

They are not being discriminated against—they have all the rights to enter into a civil, contractual arrangement with each other that protects their property, their medical wishes, even their expectations regarding fidelity. They want to change the meaning of a word to encompass something it cannot. Marriage is defined as a holy union between a man and a woman.

Sex has always had its perversions. But for most people, at least for now, they wish to keep the sanctity of the definition for marriage. I’m proud of Christians, black and white, for standing up this time. We failed to do so in 1973 when Roe v. Wade passed, and we have been sliding down that slippery slope ever since. We must continue to stand firm on these principles or we will lose them all.


18 posted on 11/17/2008 7:35:30 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: erkyl
Full coverage in The Boston Globe
19 posted on 11/17/2008 7:35:44 AM PST by pabianice
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To: erkyl

I know that, you know that, but they don’t see it that way and you can’t reason with them.

The only thing that has even come close to working is pointing out that they are asking for the right to let ‘big brother’ know their sexual orientation and have a list of who is gay... the privacy issue does spook them.


20 posted on 11/17/2008 7:37:16 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Lurker

Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.


21 posted on 11/17/2008 7:37:55 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: erkyl
If she had pressed charges, she probably felt she would have lost her chance to ever reach anyone there.
There's a real (culture) war going on out there and I just don't think enough people realize it.
By the time the Christians "reach" enough of the SOBs, they'll be no Christians left.
22 posted on 11/17/2008 7:41:46 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Religion Moderator
Sorry. I'll repeat my statement and clean up the language.

She said "No, tell him I forgive him."

This person has a very poor understanding of the Christian doctrine of forgiveness. If the perpetrator hasn't truly repented and asked for forgiveness, no real Christian is obligated to offer any.

In fact, it's a terrible idea and very un-Christian thing to do. All this person has done is enable the perpetrator to commit even more acts of violence. How is that Christian?

The proper Christian response is to demand that an arrest be made and then follow through on the prosecution.

Anything else simply aids and abets the commision of evil.

L

23 posted on 11/17/2008 7:44:52 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: manc

I live in San Jose, and I think there are better ways of getting the word of Christ out to the Castro district.

I think sitting on a corner worshipping God on a Friday night in the middle of the Castro district is just going to make people mad.

How about serving food to the homeless in the Castro district? I think you have to show God’s kindness and not say a word in these hostile areas.


24 posted on 11/17/2008 7:45:11 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Catholic Canadian
they said the same thing about Christ.
25 posted on 11/17/2008 7:49:57 AM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: mnehrling
They have themselves convinced they are being treated as a lower class of human

whaaaaaaaaaaa...

Here's to the day when biologic reality outstrips the influx of new aberrants.

26 posted on 11/17/2008 7:51:56 AM PST by tomkat ( . . preparing to shrug . .)
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To: mnehrling

What if you told them that you were going to start calling them (and use the derogatory term for gays)? But they would protest that as an attack and offensive. But say to them, it’s just a slang word, it doesn’t mean anything. By definition, it’s the same as any other word referring to a gay person. Why do you care? Why can’t I just change the meaning of that word to mean something I want it to mean. It doesn’t bother me, why should it bother you? It’s because the word has meaning to you, and you are willing to fight against its use in an inappropriate way.

Why is that any different than Christians wanting to defend the definition of a word they care about? Christians are fighting against people changing the meaning of a word that means something to them. They don’t want the word used in an inappropriate way. Words mean something to all of us, and it’s not fair to say some words can be dictated as off-limits by the gay community, but Christians don’t have the same right to defend words that mean something in their community.

It probably wouldn’t work, though, because I used the word ‘fair’ and that word doesn’t go both ways anymore. (sigh)


27 posted on 11/17/2008 7:51:57 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: luckystarmom

extremely good idea

I have been to the bikers week in Daytona

every time they have a group with signs saying sinners and yet there is another way to get the message out and that is do what the bikers christian group does
they go to the bikers week, they give out t shirts and hot drinks and there is a sign there saying christian riders etc.

they always seem to get a lot of people going over and join them where as the people holding signs on the street are just being ignored but at least they are still respected unlike what happened in the Castro area


28 posted on 11/17/2008 7:54:14 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: erkyl
There was a large protest by homosexuals in front of First Baptist Church of Dallas, whose pastor has been preaching a series of sermons on homosexuality. Had the church members acted in a manner similar to the denizens of the Castro district, rest assured such an incident would be front page news not merely in Dallas, but as far away as Boston and Seattle, not to mention Paris, London, and Berlin. Every Democrat and RINO politician within this country's borders would be fuming with outrage, especially when cameras were in their presence. Even the President, through his press secretary, would publicly bemoan the attack.

From a secular standpoint, the deck is stacked against Christians and other persons who adhere to traditional values.

29 posted on 11/17/2008 7:55:17 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Responsibility2nd
Talk about walking through the Valley of the Shadow of Death; I will fear no evil.

The next time they do this, bring multiple camers for the late Show on YouTube - and a couple of REALLY BIG guys -- the kind that "fear no evil" for they are the BADDEST SOBs in the Valley.

30 posted on 11/17/2008 8:00:11 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: manc

I wholeheartedly agree. There seems to be a much more positive response to actions. But bear in mind, this group is called the Justice House of Prayer, and they believe strongly in the power of prayer. So I can’t judge their intentions or their desire to follow their hearts or their callings.


31 posted on 11/17/2008 8:00:13 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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"The proper Christian response to this mob is a good ass-kicking."

Amen!

32 posted on 11/17/2008 8:01:08 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: erkyl

In one of the first anti-acceptance demonstrations for Prop 8 in SoCal a styrofoam cross was snatched from the hands of a woman there who supported Prop 8.

It was reported in the Californian the crowd threw it on the ground and stomped it.

Principalities and Powers, indeed. The battle will only grow fiercer. The JHOPSF experience sounds almost like a stunning re-enactment of events described in the Bible that took place outside of Lot’s house.

That such tactics re-emerged after a couple of thousand years of alleged social ‘evolution’ designed to bring us a new and improved world should not come as a surprise.

The spotlight awaits as Satan approaches center stage.

May God give strength to His people and the martyrs yet to come.


33 posted on 11/17/2008 8:01:13 AM PST by MurrietaMadman (Be sure you put your dam pieces of paper away someplace safe.)
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To: svcw

“She said “No, tell him I forgive him.”

What a BEAUTIFUL picture of Christ’s love! There is nothing more disarming than showing the love of Christ to your enemies. This is a perfect example of “Turning the other cheek” as Jesus preached in the sermon on the mount in Matthew 5!! Awesome!!!!!


34 posted on 11/17/2008 8:14:24 AM PST by pjluke (thank you Mr. Kalashnikov!)
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To: MurrietaMadman

I got the same eerie feeling.

I felt like I was watching video taped 3500 years ago. It is described exactly what I was watching.


35 posted on 11/17/2008 8:17:17 AM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: erkyl

As bad as the homosexuals are, it is their heterosexual enables who are making this all happen. Tiny minority is just a tiny minority. But liberals in media, academia, government and your own neighborhood are empowering and legitimizing these people. Was it 48% who vote against prop 8? Mostly heterosexuals who have no strong moral foundation.


36 posted on 11/17/2008 8:38:14 AM PST by all the best
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To: oh8eleven
And therein lies the answer as to why the violence will continue. Either fight back physically or throw them in jail.

We can forgive for offenses against us individually, but we shouldn't forget the state also has an interest in getting such people locked up.

37 posted on 11/17/2008 8:38:22 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Lurker

You are wrong. Our Lord’s tormemtors and murderers did not (for the most part) repent of their sins or ask forgiveness. Our Lord forgave them anyway. The members of the lynch mob that murdered Saint Stephen neither repented of their sins nor asked for forgiveness. Saint Stephen forgave them as well.

Should we do differently?


38 posted on 11/17/2008 8:39:28 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: erkyl
Christians (and conservatives) are the only group in America who can be persecuted and maligned in the press and ‘deserve it.’

A refusal to fight back may make one feel noble, but all it earns you is contempt from your opponents.

39 posted on 11/17/2008 8:41:09 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: PapaBear3625
A refusal to fight back may make one feel noble, but all it earns you is contempt from your opponents.

Or, as in Christ's case, crucifixion.
40 posted on 11/17/2008 8:48:32 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: B-Chan
Our Lord forgave them anyway

No he didn't. He said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

He did NOT say "I forgive them."

He was asking the Father to grant forgiveness, not giving it Himself.

L

41 posted on 11/17/2008 8:51:15 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: erkyl

God bless them. They are truly doing the work of Christ.

I especially appreciate that their’s was not a political agenda.

The violence is a sign that the Word is penetrating the unregenerate heart.


42 posted on 11/17/2008 8:55:44 AM PST by the_conscience
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To: Lurker

“I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).


43 posted on 11/17/2008 9:02:36 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: PapaBear3625
A refusal to fight back may make one feel noble, but all it earns you is contempt from your opponents.
Self defense is ignoble? And how much more contempt for Christians is there to be "earned?" When contempt turns to killing? Is that your threshhold?
45 posted on 11/17/2008 9:08:17 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: erkyl

These people should have been thrown in jail. What they did will continue to happen if they are not stopped. That is totally ridiculous. Make these police accountable.


46 posted on 11/17/2008 9:11:47 AM PST by prayerfullywaiting
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To: manc

I agree... we as adults can protect ourselves. What next....go to christian schools and attack the kids? Do you think these people in their perverted minds won’t stop at that...You have to get the police involved and press charges. Most of these people couldn’t careless about the message of God. Most of these people have gone mad because of the unrepentant sin in their lives. This behavior feeds itself. It’s like a child who misbehaves. It get’s into a frenzy and you have to get it’s attention by a little spank on the bottom other wise it gets worse. Wake up here. We are not called to be door mats.


47 posted on 11/17/2008 9:18:29 AM PST by prayerfullywaiting
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I think we need to remember that the Christians were on their ‘turf’, and they believed them to be invading their space. The attackers feel ‘justified’ because they feel their group was just protecting their ‘property.’ I’m not defending them, just maybe considering why the cops didn’t do anything and why the Christians cut them some slack. However, if they come to our churches, our schools and start getting violent, then I believe we absolutely MUST take a stand.


48 posted on 11/17/2008 9:29:17 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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hahahaha


49 posted on 11/17/2008 9:40:20 AM PST by Feline_AIDS (Because canine AIDS ain't funny.)
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And what rational person expects proudly perverted people to act nice and normal?


50 posted on 11/17/2008 9:42:34 AM PST by polymuser (Bye, bye Miss American Pie.)
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