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To: topcat54

When I speak of Israel, I’m thinking of a genetic marker. I’m not speaking in this context of Paul’s “Israel of God.” Therefore, the “remnant” will eventually be those who INTERSECT at both these points. They will be BOTH Christian and genetic Jews.


25 posted on 11/25/2008 6:43:41 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins
When I speak of Israel, I’m thinking of a genetic marker. ... They will be BOTH Christian and genetic Jews.

What exactly do you mean by genetic Jews? Must they be physically descended from Abraham through Isaac and Jacob? What percentage of Abraham's blood do they need to have to be considered authentic genetic Jews?

How does that account for all the converts to old covenant Judaism prior to the time of Christ (Rahab, Ruth, the mixed multitude from Egypt who were circumcised and celebrated the first Passover)?

What about converts to rabbinic Judaism since the time of Christ?

Does the Bible really have a category of genetic Jews?

26 posted on 11/25/2008 7:06:13 AM PST by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
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To: xzins
I read an interesting theory a while back -- mind you, this is NOTHING but an interesting theory -- that says that genetic Israel and the modern church are the same.

Basically, the idea is that the "lost tribes" of Israel got scattered throughout the nations of the world, and that today, in every nation, there are people who are descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

In other words, God is still saving "Israel," we just don't realize who we are.

Crazy? You bet. You have to disregard a good chunk of the NT that talks about Gentiles vs. Jews, but it's still an interesting idea.

29 posted on 11/25/2008 7:16:03 AM PST by Terabitten (To all RINOs: You're expendable. Sarah isn't.)
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To: xzins

When I speak of Israel, I’m thinking of a genetic marker. I’m not speaking in this context of Paul’s “Israel of God.” Therefore, the “remnant” will eventually be those who INTERSECT at both these points. They will be BOTH Christian and genetic Jews.


ABSOLUTELY. WELL PUT.


78 posted on 11/25/2008 9:25:10 PM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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