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The founder of Italian Communism had deathbed conversion
Times Online ^ | Nov 25 2008 | Richard Owen in Rome

Posted on 11/26/2008 9:45:21 AM PST by GonzoII

The Vatican has revealed that Antonio Gramsci, the founder of Italian Communism and an icon of the Left, reverted to Roman Catholicism on his deathbed..

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TOPICS: Catholic; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: antoniogramsci; communism; conversions; forgiveness; gramsci; italy; marxism; vatican
God answers prayer!!
1 posted on 11/26/2008 9:45:21 AM PST by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

There are few atheists on deathbeds.


2 posted on 11/26/2008 9:47:38 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: GonzoII
While this is certainly possible, there are so many stories of deathbed conversions by the founders of our modern G-dless morass (Lenin and Darwin are two others) that I cannot but approach these stories with caution. Granted, the Vatican has more authority than the old wives' tales told about Lenin and Darwin, but perhaps I've grown jaded.

Too bad his conversion came too late to spare the rest of us his diabolical plot.

3 posted on 11/26/2008 9:51:28 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayigdelu hane`arim, vayehi `Esav 'ish yodea` tzayid 'ish sadeh; veYa`aqov 'ish tam yoshev 'ohalim.)
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To: GonzoII

Perhaps Jesus can still forgive him at such a point.

I find it difficult. Living one’s life with fantasies of power, promoting all the lies of Communism, seeking to destroy peoples’ freedoms, their livelihoods, and even seeking to destroy the Church. It’s hard to forgive all that.


4 posted on 11/26/2008 9:56:32 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Mr. Mojo
In practice, there are very few deathbed conversions. When the time comes, most people who know they need to convert are preoccupied, and they may forget their prior resolutions, or else be unconscious or unable to communicate or not have enough time or composure.

Postponing one's conversion is not generally a good idea.

5 posted on 11/26/2008 10:02:28 AM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: GonzoII

Gramsci was the guy that coined the phrase “long march through the institutions” to describe how to implement Communism not by bloody revolution but by gradually rotting out the structures of Western society through means such as “political correctness” and “multiculturalism”. In some ways, Gramsci’s legacy is as evil as Stalin’s and Mao’s.


6 posted on 11/26/2008 10:07:25 AM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: GonzoII

He literally “Saw the Light”.


7 posted on 11/26/2008 10:12:34 AM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

“He literally “Saw the Light”.”

And no guarantee that it was a beautiful white light...maybe shades of orange, red, black etc...


8 posted on 11/26/2008 10:17:16 AM PST by ebersole
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To: PGR88
It’s hard to forgive all that.

I agree.

I've been betrayed by family and even decades later I cannot forgive. I know it weighs heavy on my heart but I simply cannot take that step especially considering they have never expressed any remorse for their actions.

9 posted on 11/26/2008 10:19:25 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: PGR88

“Perhaps Jesus can still forgive him at such a point.”

The thief on the cross comes to mind!

Blessings

Mel


10 posted on 11/26/2008 10:25:23 AM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: newfreep

Remorse is their problem mate! You can choose to forgive them by saying “I forgive them” whether you feel like it or not or whether you want to or not. It’s a matter of choice and it is better for your heart if you do. Don’t wait to feel good about it- do it in obedience - you don’t need to carry that burden.

Blessings

Mel


11 posted on 11/26/2008 10:28:57 AM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: bassmaner
"In some ways, Gramsci’s legacy is as evil as Stalin’s and Mao’s.

I agree. I wish more people were aware of the damage he, Marcuse (Frankfurt School) and their ilk have wrought in our country.

12 posted on 11/26/2008 10:30:15 AM PST by VR-21
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To: Mr. Mojo

I heard the famous French author and pseudo-intellectual, Jean-Paul Sartre did so as well.

Insurance policies or genuine conversions?


13 posted on 11/26/2008 10:32:28 AM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: GonzoII
BFD. Little difference than if Hitler had.

The Marxist cultural revolution that Gramsci launched is still killing people around the world by the hundreds of thousands (think Rwanda and Darfur) and helped to put the zero in power. He helped destroy education in this country by turning academe into an indoctrination camp that has brainwashed tens of millions of voters in this country.

Too bad his grave isn't nearby. I just had a big glass of water.

14 posted on 11/26/2008 10:41:34 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Speak up, fight back, even if your voice trembles and your knees shake.)
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To: VR-21

I completely agree. He spawned the second wave of communism, the undertow beneath the tsunami of the Bolshevik revolution and Stalinism, as I describe it. The undertow has proven and will continue to prove to be the far more destructive.


15 posted on 11/26/2008 10:45:18 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Speak up, fight back, even if your voice trembles and your knees shake.)
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To: GonzoII

If Dante were here he’d name a pit after Antonio Gramsci.


16 posted on 11/26/2008 10:48:29 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
“Too bad his grave isn't nearby. I just had a big glass of water”.


Chill-out, we're all going to be six feet under one day!

17 posted on 11/26/2008 10:53:21 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: PGR88

“It’s hard to forgive all that”.


No doubt, for our fallen nature, but Christ is infinite and his mercy with Him, and this man had to cry out for it, or he never would have gotten it.


18 posted on 11/26/2008 10:59:54 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: newfreep

“I’ve been betrayed by family and even decades later I cannot forgive”.


Just forget your feelings and make act of the will.

JUST DO IT!!!


19 posted on 11/26/2008 11:05:41 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: PGR88

It’s hard to forgive all that.

Not to be a party pooper, but look at the plank in your own eye and ask if it’s hard to forgive all that. Believe me, I know my plank in my eye is horribly bigger than I want it to be but I trust that Christ has made the promise that if we trust in His Holy Sacrifice, He will forgive all that. If He can save the most outwardly obvious sinner, he can save us too...It’s not an exclusive “be a sort of good person/sort of sinner and be saved” thing. Remember, just ONE offense to God is enough to condemn us...I guess I’m just sayin how thankful I am for what a Merciful God we have, far beyond anything any of us can really fathom...

Happy T-day to you and yours!!

PM


20 posted on 11/26/2008 11:07:03 AM PST by phatus maximus ( John 6:29. Learn it, love it, live it.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
There are few atheists on deathbeds.

I've always wondered if the deathbed conversions are people who finally see the light, or they're just trying to cover the bases, just in case.

21 posted on 11/26/2008 11:31:21 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Sworn to Defend The Constitution Against All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“I’ve always wondered...”

Me, too, but I guess that info is given out on a “need to know” basis and I suspect the Almighty doesn’t think we have that need.


22 posted on 11/26/2008 11:40:58 AM PST by beelzepug (4 yrs. retroactive pay for Rossi and a bill for Gregoire.)
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To: ebersole
And no guarantee that it was a beautiful white light...maybe shades of orange, red, black etc...

That would do it.
23 posted on 11/26/2008 11:52:02 AM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: newfreep
I've been betrayed by family and even decades later I cannot forgive.

Remember, holding on to resentment is like drinking poison and waiting for your enemy to die from it. Let it go, my friend.

24 posted on 11/26/2008 12:12:32 PM PST by Ignatz (Too late; it's Obacalypse NOW!)
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To: GonzoII

He does indeed.


25 posted on 11/26/2008 12:15:02 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

***I’ve always wondered if the deathbed conversions are people who finally see the light, or they’re just trying to cover the bases, just in case. ****

Like W. C. Fields looking for loopholes. (when found reading the Bible before his death.)


26 posted on 11/26/2008 2:03:08 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: GonzoII
I'd rather hand to the next generation a country and world more in-line with the plans of our Founding Fathers than with Gramsci’s, Lukacs, Marcuse, Adorno, Zinn, Chomsky, and all the rest.
27 posted on 11/26/2008 2:36:48 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Speak up, fight back, even if your voice trembles and your knees shake.)
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To: GonzoII

Dying has the ability to focus one’s priorities.


28 posted on 11/26/2008 3:06:24 PM PST by Oratam
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To: newfreep
I've been betrayed by family and even decades later I cannot forgive. I know it weighs heavy on my heart but I simply cannot take that step especially considering they have never expressed any remorse for their actions.

Luke 17:3 So watch yourselves. "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.

You're not alone. When the family members that betrayed me repent then I will forgive. Betrayal is especially bad. Notice that Jesus did not forgive Judas.

29 posted on 11/26/2008 6:48:48 PM PST by Little_GTO
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To: Ignatz; newfreep

I’ve also heard that lack of forgiveness is like walking around with a dead fish in your pocket-—it only affects you and those who come in contact with you.


30 posted on 11/26/2008 9:34:58 PM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Little_GTO; melsec; GonzoII; Ignatz; Running On Empty
Thanks to all for the replies - very helpful. That family betrayed me is perhaps the most hurtful and is emphasized during holidays being alone on the outside without a "family moment".

The Luke 17:3 verse is somewhat comforting in a weird way although the weight remains heavy.

Again, thanks and a wonderful Thanskgiving to y'all!

31 posted on 11/27/2008 5:16:00 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: newfreep

God Bless ya and remember all people will let you down at some stage but God will never leave you or foresake you.

Mel


32 posted on 11/27/2008 5:33:26 AM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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