[mbeeber]

	Nevertheless, as the great "Day of Judgment" approaches, both Fundamentalist and Charismatic Christians should have more to agree upon than disagree.  When Dispensationalists accept they are living in the days just preceding the "Second Coming of Christ", they must also accept the very teachings they originally postulated. So as the "Day of the Lord" draws near, even Dispensationalists must accept those movements of the Spirit prophesied by Joel and recited by Peter on the Day of Pentecost.

[huldah1776]

The more I learn, the more I wish we had a holiday celebrating the future return of the King of Kings. I look forward to it every day to keep myself filled with true hope and joy. I know the day of His return won’t be pretty for those who are following the anti-Christ, but the clean up effort will be worth it.

[sasportas]

The most outstanding feature of Dispensationalism is the pretrib rapture. Why no mention of it in this article? If there were a pretrib rapture, then these groups in question, Messianic Jews and Charismatics, will have been raptured out. Then, according to Dispensationalism, we revert back to the Old Covenant during the tribulation.

I am not saying I believe this scenario, I am post-trib, neither Dispensationalist nor pretrib.

[onedoug]

Hyam Maccoby, Revolution In Judaea: Jesus And The Jewish Resistance

[sasportas]

In the nineteenth century a theological revolution called “Dispensationalism” rightly outlined the “Biblical Historical Perspective”, thereby giving mankind a clearer picture of how God has provided and continues to provide salvation to man throughout history. By acknowledgement of this perspective, an accord between Hebrew Old Covenant and New Covenant prophecy was forged, sweeping away many of the contradictions that divided Christian and Orthodox Jewish prophetic viewpoints. Dispensationalists became God’s instrument of change in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries...

I don’t buy this. When I read “change” here, Obama comes to mind.

[Alex Murphy]

In the nineteenth century a theological revolution called "Dispensationalism" rightly outlined the "Biblical Historical Perspective"

I had to stop reading right there.

[Lee N. Field]

In the nineteenth century a theological revolution called "Dispensationalism" rightly outlined the "Biblical Historical Perspective"

Just wondering, can you provide us a list of theologians you have read who aren't dispensationalists? Are you familiar with the concept of "biblical theology" (as complementary to systematic theology? Redemptive-historical hermeutic?

[P-Marlowe]

Dispensationalists believe these occurrences were only present in the times immediately following the "Day of Pentecost" and will be present during the times just preceding "Judgment Day", where Charismatics believe these expressions of the Spirit were present from the Day of Pentecost continuously to the present day.2

As a Charismatic dispensationalist, I find this statement odd. Nearly every Charismatic I know is a dispensationalist. The dispute over the gifts of the spirit are not dispensationalist v. charismatic, it is more along the lines of Traditionalists v. Charismatics, with the traditionalists taking the position that the gifts of the spirit ended in the first century, despite the complete lack of scriptural evidence for that fact.

Can you name a single renowned Charismatic who is not a dispensationalist?

[topcat54]

In the nineteenth century a theological revolution called "Dispensationalism" rightly outlined the "Biblical Historical Perspective", ...

How can an article be so wrong right off the bat? Amazing.

Dispensationalism: An Abbreviated Critique by Grover Gunn

[topcat54]

BTW, I would recommend you get a hold of a nice book called Judaism is not Jewish: A friendly critique of the Messianic Movement by Baruch Maoz. Maoz is both Reformed and of Jewish heritage. You migth also look for material by Steve Schlissel on the subject of Jews and gentiles and the Church of God from a Reformed perspective.

[onedoug]

Why is a so-called messianic jew not a christian? Or, if supposedly (s)he is christian, how can (s)he claim to be a Jew?

[topcat54]

Dispensationalists became God's instrument of change in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, leading the way in promoting the support of the establishment of the state of Israel and bringing to light the prophetic signposts for the "End of this Age".

Indeed, many dispensationalists advocated a "hands off" policy wrt Hitler’s Germany and the Jewish people, believing that divine wrath against the Jewish people should not be opposed. These same dispensationalists saw Mussolini as the anti-Christ and knew they were in the "last days". This is documented in Armageddon Now by Dwight Wilson.

Many dispensationalists today are at the forefront of bring unconverted Jews from places like Russia and Ethiopia back into the land of Israel knowing full well that two thirds of them and their descendents will be slaughtered in the futurist "great tribulation".

Many dispensationalists believe that the "apple of God’s eye" will yet suffer divine wrath in the not too distant future, after the Church has been raptured to safety.

Some dispensationalists advocate a "two covenant" view of the present age suggesting that Jewish people to not need to have faith in Christ in order to obtain eternal life.

One noted dispensationalist does not believe that Jesus came as the Messiah of Israel, so, technically, Israel never rejected Him as their Messiah.

Dispensationalists are the theological Barach Obama of change.

[onedoug]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to seem to diss you there at #90.

And I've really enjoyed the thread. Thanks so much for posting it.

God's grace....