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Dignitas Personae
The Vatican ^ | 12.12.2008 | The Roman Curia

Posted on 12/12/2008 12:06:09 PM PST by annalex

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1 posted on 12/12/2008 12:06:10 PM PST by annalex
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To: NYer; narses; ELS; Salvation

Ping.

All, please avoid generalized dispute about Catohlicism. The topic is dignity or person and bioethics.


2 posted on 12/12/2008 12:08:26 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

I’m about 15 pages into the document. It’s very substantial.


3 posted on 12/12/2008 12:45:12 PM PST by Tax-chick (If I can't go to Heaven right now, can I just go to Missouri?)
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To: Tax-chick

I am confused. This is not the full text? What are you reading? Got link?


4 posted on 12/12/2008 12:48:14 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

http://ncronline.org/mainpage/specialdocuments/Dignitas_Personae_Inglese.pdf


5 posted on 12/12/2008 12:50:14 PM PST by Tax-chick (If I can't go to Heaven right now, can I just go to Missouri?)
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To: annalex
Procedures used on somatic cells for strictly therapeutic purposes “are in principle morally licit…

With regard to germ line cell therapy, “the risks connected to any genetic manipulation are considerable and as yet not fully controllable” and therefore “in the present state of research, it is not morally permissible to act in a way that may cause possible harm to the resulting progeny

This is very interesting. It would appear that the Church does not view gene therapy as inherently immoral.

Is this a new position for the Church?

6 posted on 12/12/2008 12:58:10 PM PST by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: Tax-chick

Great.

So that’s where the footnotes are, too.


7 posted on 12/12/2008 1:36:35 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: timm22

The Church always supported anything that is strictly therapeutic.


8 posted on 12/12/2008 1:38:36 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

Yup. The whole thing was very informative.


9 posted on 12/12/2008 1:54:58 PM PST by Tax-chick (If I can't go to Heaven right now, can I just go to Missouri?)
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To: timm22

The complete document goes into more detail on the different types of gene therapy, emphasizing caution in any use of genetic treatment.


10 posted on 12/12/2008 1:56:32 PM PST by Tax-chick (If I can't go to Heaven right now, can I just go to Missouri?)
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To: annalex
The Church always supported anything that is strictly therapeutic.

Which seems reasonable to me, but I've seen Catholic Freepers argue against that point on other threads.

11 posted on 12/12/2008 2:56:14 PM PST by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: timm22

In a nutshell, the Church is for life. Therapies that do not destroy life and can make a life better are not immoral.


12 posted on 12/12/2008 3:52:36 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: timm22

Can you give us an example?


13 posted on 12/12/2008 3:53:24 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Tax-chick

The dreaded PDF file!


14 posted on 12/12/2008 3:58:38 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

You can print it out and take it to the bathtub :-). My catz love it when I print long documents. They watch the printer very closely and mumble to each other as each page comes out.


15 posted on 12/12/2008 4:01:27 PM PST by Tax-chick (If I can't go to Heaven right now, can I just go to Missouri?)
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To: Tax-chick
I've learned a lot since discovering the Religion forum. :)

It's amazing how much I've learned simply trying to answer a question posed to Catholics in general.

16 posted on 12/12/2008 4:05:43 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

It’s very informative for me, too.


17 posted on 12/12/2008 4:32:59 PM PST by Tax-chick (If I can't go to Heaven right now, can I just go to Missouri?)
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To: tiki
Can you give us an example?

This is the thread I was referring to. The consensus there seemed to be that even a nondestructive, therapeutic use of genetic engineering would be immoral.

18 posted on 12/12/2008 5:02:49 PM PST by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: annalex

bumpus ad summum


19 posted on 12/12/2008 5:44:46 PM PST by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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The consensus there seemed to be that even a nondestructive, therapeutic use of genetic engineering would be immoral

But it is not the therapeutic aspect that would be immoral. The context on that thread was "designer babies", and you yourself seem to suggest it by making the contact lens analogy.

Beside destruction of embryo, even in therapeutic use we should distinguish between a health defect and cosmetic improvements. Further, the Church doesn't like any usurpation of the power of God as creator of life.

20 posted on 12/12/2008 8:20:47 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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