WE CAN KNOW THE DAY and the Hour

Bible Prophecy Corner ^ | 12/15/08 | Marilyn Agee

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WE CAN KNOW THE DAY

"THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK... SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE" THAT'S CHESHVAN 17

JESUS SAID, "TAKE YE HEED: BEHOLD, I HAVE FORETOLD YOU ALL THINGS" (Mark 13:23)

I'm no prophet, but it now seems that Jesus himself gave us the last clue we need a long time ago. It's so plain in Matthew 24, I don't know why I didn't get it before this. I knew it was in Scripture, but I looked everywhere but the right place, in plain view. I should have known that in plain view was the best place to hide something. What threw me off was Mt. 24:36, where Jesus said, "But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man". After so many reminded me of that so many times, I skimmed over what followed it.

Look what he said in verse 42: "Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR your Lord doth come." HE LEFT OUT THE DAY.

In case we missed it, he even repeated it. in verse 44, he said, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR as ye think not the Son of man cometh." HE LEFT OUT THE DAY.

That means that in between verses 36 and 44, Jesus revealed the DAY, Cheshvan 17, "THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK." The wise virgins are not in the dark as to the DAY, just the hour. The foolish virgins don't know the day or the hour. Jesus put the day in plain view. I have read it over and over without realizing that in verses 42 and 44, he didn't say DAY AND HOUR, only HOUR (hora).

Mt. 24:32-45 (KJV) says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, which she was in 1967), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golen Heights, West Bank, in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5; summer arrived June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it ('the kingdom of God', Luke 21:31) is near, even at the DOORS (symbol of the Raptures, as in Rev. 3:8, 4:1). Verily (amen, so be it, firm, trustworthy) I say unto you, This generation (i.e., those born in 1967) shall not pass (1967 + 48 = 2015), till all these things (i.e., both Raptures) be fulfilled."

It looks like the 2nd Rapture will be in 2015 (Tishri 1, 5776). The 1st Rapture will be 7 years before that, i.e., in 5769. This year started on Tishri 1, 5769 (Sept. 30, 2008). I thought the 1st Rapture would be that day, but I had something else to learn, and that is found in this passage of Scripture. Read on.

Continuing in Mt. 24, the Olivet Discourse, Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But AS THE DAYS OF NOE WERE, SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK (Cheshvan 17), And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. Then (tote, at the same time, i.e., on Cheshvan 17, 5769; November 15, 2008) shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR (hora) your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR (hora) as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in DUE SEASON (kairos, set time)?"

Lev 26:2-4 says, "Ye shall keep my SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD. If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; Then I WILL GIVE YOU RAIN IN DUE SEASON, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees (i.e., nations) of the field (i.e., world) shall yield their FRUIT."

We are called a kind of firstfruits. James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures."

Cheshvan 17, 5769 (Nov. 15, 2008) is on Saturday, the Sabbath. It looks like we will go to Shabbatai (Saturn, the 3rd Heaven; II Cor. 12:2, and the 7th planet) on Shabbat (the 7th day).

IN MARK, THE PORTER DOESN'T KNOW THE HOUR, BUT HE KNOWS THE DAY

Mark 13:33-37 says, "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time (kairos, set time, due time) is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. WATCH YE THEREFORE: FOR YE KNOW NOT WHEN THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE COMETH, AT EVEN, OR AT MIDNIGHT, OR AT THE COCKCROWING, OR IN THE MORNING: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." At even, midnight, cockcrowing, or morning is describing the hour. The porter already knows the day.

THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND RAPTURE

Luke 17:28-30 says, "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."

The Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky as the Day of God's Wrath begins. He will be sitting on his throne, because the judgment will be made at the Judgment Seat of Christ that day. The Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place just before God's Wrath hits Earth. Again, we can figure out the day, but not the hour. There will be a Solar Eclipse a little past 6 PM on our previous day, when this Jewish day starts. I think it will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). It can't be later than 2015, because 1967 + 48 (Mt. 1:17) = 2015.

The Six-Day War of 1967 was the Sign of the End of the Age. It could not be later than 1967, because that was the last year 19-year-old Israel could be called young.

That day, Tishri 1, 5776, Monday, Sept. 14, 2015, seems locked in place. The Sign of the End of the Age was the Six-Day War of 1967. It couldn't be later than that, because Israel was 19, the last year her branch (klados, a young tender shoot, broken off for grafting) could be considered tender (apalos, soft, tender, i.e., young). A generation from that year is the end of the age. The longest we can count as a generation is 48 years (Mt. 1:17). 1967 + 48 = 2015.

[Lakeshark]

Dang it.....you beat me to it........

:-)

[Lee N. Field]

Marilyn Agee

Even the Rapture Ready folks think she's a bit off.

1998

1998 Marilyn Agee, in her book, The End of the Age, had her sights set on May 31, 1998. This date was to conclude the 6,000-year cycle from the time of Adam. Agee looked for the rapture to take place on Pentecost, which is also known as “the Feast of Weeks.” Another indicator of this date was the fact that the Holy Spirit did not descend upon the apostles until 50 days after Christ's resurrection. Israel was born in 1948; add the 50 days as years and you come up with

After her May 31 rapture date failed, Agee, unable to face up to her error, continued her date setting by using various Scripture references to point to June 7, 14, 21 and about 10 other dates.

1999

Well, you can't call Marilyn Agee a quitter. After bombing out badly several time in 1998, Marilyn set a new date for the rapture: May 21 or 22 of this year.

Ignore whatever she says.

[orchestra]

The pattern we are given when the Lord abandoned the tabernacle which was at Shiloh, which led to the Ark being taken and held by the Philistines for seven months. Its in the book of Samuel. I will try and send you the complete study privately, it is long, but I will see if it will go through.

[mad_as_he$$]

Hey that is as likely as anything else. He does move in mysterious way. Oh and I instantly turn of anyone who tries to tell me they know exactly how it will all play out. That arrogance must surely annoy the him.

[PetroniusMaximus]

“The Bible plainly teaches that those who are God’s elect WILL indeed know the time. “

Like this one???

“When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.”

???

[TaraP]

You are saying the 2nd rapture is in 2022
2012- Would then be half of the 5 yr tribulation meaning the start of the tribulation came in October 2008

[erkyl]

ITA—Can’t help but think God looks down on all this speculation and interpretation and chuckles a bit. The ultimate ‘mystery’ conceived by the creator of all time and space, and some feeble humans think they can ‘figure it all out.’ I mean, He loves us, but you know this has got to be entertaining to watch for Him.

Hey—Christians...He loves you...He’s coming back to get us someday. How and when He does it really isn’t what we’re supposed to be about. I believe Jesus told us what true religion is, and it’s not ‘figuring out the second coming mystery.’ I believe His words were “caring for orphans and widows in their affliction.” Let’s do that, okay?

[Old Sarge]

He’s coming, real soon now, be ready and repent, it’s coming, wait for it, here it comes, well maybe not now but it will, just watch, twinkling of an eye, so don’t blink, get ready for it, look busy....

[Lee N. Field]

linkey est geborken, BTW. Unless "bibleprophecycorner" is a new top level domain.

[Alex Murphy]

You are saying the 2nd rapture is in 2022
First it's not me saying it, nor me buying into it - I just quoted the relevant bits of the article for emphasis.

2012- Would then be half of the 5 yr tribulation meaning the start of the tribulation came in October 2008

You lost me entirely, starting with the 2012 and 2008 dates. Are you saying that the Tribulation's going to last five years or ten years?

[Quix]

I retain a rather dim view of date speculating.

I do, however, believe we ought to be confessed up, repented up, watching, and ready to go up 24/7 in this increasingly dramatic END TIMES era, decade . . .

[Quix]

cue a long stream of cartoon critters

ROLLING ON THE FLOOR, LAUGHING OUT LOUD AND HOLDING THEIR STOMACHS

at such clueless preterist, amil, Calvinist etc. notions about the END TIMES.

[coincheck]

The bible clearly states when Jesus will come back to earth which can be found in the book of Daniel.

Jesus returns at the end of Daniels 70th week to save Israel and destroy the armys gathered in the valley of Meggido. His return is also talked about in the old testament in Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Zechariah, to name a few.

Jesus said in Matt CH 24 that when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place (whoever reads, let him understand) Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains....

This did not happen when Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed in AD 70 because verse 21 of Matt CH24 says “then there will be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor shall ever be. 22 And unless those days were shortened no flesh would be saved...

So from the time that the “abomination of Desolation” until Jesus return is 3 1/2 yrs (1260 days). That is the only time we will know the time of Jesus return.

There is another event that has no preceding signs. It is called the “transfiguration” or “rapture”. That event can happen at any time. Check out Pauls letter to the Thessolonians, he had to reassure them that their loved ones who had died as martyers would not miss out on that event. Paul even said that they will precede them in the order of events. In I Thess. CN 4 verses13-17, which clearly has us meeting Jesus in the air and him and us returning to heaven. This is not the second coming which has many signs and a time line leading up to his coming back to the earth.

[TaraP]

I am not trying to predict dates, but I do think Jesus gave us signs and seasons to look for, not to confuse us, but for us to remain steadfast, study prophecy and always be ready..

So here is my Prophecy Food for Thought for today..
If Revelation 8 happened this year 2008
Revelation 8 - The First Four TrumpetsSince heaven is a place of constant praise and worship to God (Revelation 4:8-11 ) silence for about half an hour....Silence for a half hour might be the Sun being quiet (No sunspots)

If GOD sends a deception to people it might be the End of the World prophecy of the Maya Calendar which ends in 2012 12/21/2012 or it could be the rapture mid-point which does give 2015 some credibility.

[ET(end tyranny)]

I thought everyone knew the end of the world was December 21, 2012. I’m holding out for that, because it’s when the Mayan Calendar ends. It’s scientific. /s

I know you are kidding, but, that is probably the end of an age and not the end of the world. There's a difference.

[jude24]

Thanks to Alex Murphy for hosting.

[slnk_rules]

Surely there is a chart somewhere that will help us sort all this out!!!!

[dware]

Do they wish to procrastinate their repentance ? If not, why such detailed concern ?

Precisely. I think the author COMPLETELY misses the point. The whole idea was to to warn that NO MAN - including the author - knows when. Day or hour. Or year for that matter. The point was to BE READY. It may come tomorrow. It may come 50 years from now.

And as an aside: It's not a "tribulation" if all those that would face "trial" during that time have been raptured. Christians will be persecuted DURING the tribulation. It won't be until after that the 2nd coming will occur.

My two cents.

[Lee N. Field]

ROLLING ON THE FLOOR, LAUGHING OUT LOUD AND HOLDING THEIR STOMACHS

Ah, dear Quixy. Feeling well, I see.

[dware]

And why do people keep bringing up the pre-trib rapture. Where is it in scripture??

Precisely. I just got done making the point on another response that it's not a "tribulation" if those that would face the trials have already been taken.