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WE CAN KNOW THE DAY and the Hour
Bible Prophecy Corner ^ | 12/15/08 | Marilyn Agee

Posted on 12/15/2008 12:20:45 PM PST by STD

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To: Alex Murphy; STD; TaraP
Are you saying that Jesus has changed the standards, and prophecy doesn't need to have a 1.000 batting average anymore?

Let's not insult the real prophets who lived in fear of losing their lives if their words proved wrong.

What these folks are doing is guessing, pure and simple. As Woody Allen would say, "It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham."

"Sham prophecies" for short.

101 posted on 12/16/2008 9:39:03 AM PST by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
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To: TaraP
But any’ways I am going to post a Vanity Post on the return of Jesus and I would like to hear what you have to say about it.

Try to stick to the Bible. That should make it short and sweet.

102 posted on 12/16/2008 9:40:32 AM PST by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
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To: STD

As you may have been told already (don’t know, didn’t read the whole thread), you need to be careful here how you take “day” in Scripture.

No one knows the day or the hour - in this context, the term “day” is our usual 24 hour period.

The day that Noah entered the ark - in this context, the term “day” is to be understood as meaning our usual day, but that “day” is in the middle of an indeterminate amount of time. The exact “day” is impossible to determine, as before in the same verse it says “in the days of Noah”, meaning in the age of Noah. An indeterminate period of time, as in an “age”. eg. “In the days of Bush”.

In all these phrases we can see that it isn’t a specific date referenced, rather a period of time that isn’t defined by a specific amount of hours.

Why must this be the correct exegetical approach?

Because if not, then the passage that states, “No one knows the day or the hour, but my Father in heaven” would have to mean that the Father only had an idea of when his Son would return, and not an actual day in mind. (In other words, the reverse of the exegetical treatment above).

That would be the only way to make the passage “On the day Noah entered the Ark” mean a specific day; to switch the literal with the allegorical in the two passages in question would be to directly contradict not only Matt 24:36 but also Mark 13:32 where Jesus repeats the phrase “neither the DAY or the hour”.


103 posted on 12/16/2008 9:47:13 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: guitarplayer1953

He said of THE TEMPLE.

He did NOT say,

of THE TEMPLE

AND

THE PLATFORM IT’S BUILT ON.


104 posted on 12/16/2008 10:19:19 AM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: STD
Jesus said in the Revelation of Jesus the Christ was complete and prophecy has ceased.

100% UNTRUE.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say that

Prophecy HAS ceased.

When that which is perfect comes . . . HIS OVERT REIGN . . .

LOTS of things will be done away with.

105 posted on 12/16/2008 10:22:03 AM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: topcat54

WHERE does this preterist REPLACEMENTARIAN proclivity to throw buckets of rocks at END TIMES SCRIPTURES come from? It certainly does NOT come from the Word of God.


106 posted on 12/16/2008 10:23:22 AM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

107 posted on 12/16/2008 11:03:37 AM PST by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
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To: topcat54

All it said was “BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE.”

A crummy commercial!


108 posted on 12/16/2008 11:05:18 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: TexasRepublic
Those still living today should worry about their current spiritual condition, not some future event.

Can't count the number of people I hear this from...

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;

Who was it that taught you NOT to look for the return of Jesus???

109 posted on 12/16/2008 11:23:18 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
Who was it that taught you NOT to look for the return of Jesus???

You missed my point. I never said not to look for the return of Jesus. I used to listen to a lot of religious radio until I realized how much air time and emphasis was spent on the Anti-Christ, the Tribulation, etc. People seemed more obsessed with that one subject than learning about all aspects of Christian doctrine and salvation. I guess sensationalism sells more than just newspapers. Most people who ever lived or will ever live will not be present at the moment the 2nd Coming happens. Interesting subject, but why OBSESS over it?

110 posted on 12/16/2008 11:49:37 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Comrade, can you spare a crust of bread?)
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To: TexasRepublic
but why OBSESS over it?

I don't know anyone that's obsessed over it...But keeping it in the forefront of your Christianity keeps you prepared, as the Scripture warns...

111 posted on 12/16/2008 12:00:57 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: orchestra

Ok, I’ll bite. Lets see the research on the 23 year period.

JB


112 posted on 12/16/2008 12:35:50 PM PST by thatjoeguy (Just my thoughts)
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To: dware

LOL, now that is an excellent point!

JB


113 posted on 12/16/2008 12:38:43 PM PST by thatjoeguy (Just my thoughts)
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To: Iscool

But keeping it in the forefront of your Christianity keeps you prepared, as the Scripture warns...

Excellent point. I believe that if more Christians kept this Truth in the forefront of their minds and remembered that Christ is coming for a church/bride without spot, wrinkle or blemish, one that is set apart unto Him, then the church would not be in the state of sin and compromise that we’re in today.

Eph 5:27
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot , or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
KJV

2 Peter 3:12-14
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot , and blameless.
KJV
There are so many disputes over the rapture doctrine pre, post, mid, etc. I remember asking the Lord about the rapture years ago when I was new Christian and the Holy Spirit spoke the parable of the of the ten virgins to my heart, as saying, “always be prepared & ready and you will never miss it. Be wise, always looking to me.” As we draw near to Him He will make us ready and fill us with the oil of His Spirit. The same is true with His coming. If we keep our eyes fixed upon Him, He will make us ready, and make known to us His times and seasons. I believe there is an urgency in His followers that the time is near and that it is time to prepare our vessels and receive His harvest.

Matt 25:1-13
25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins , which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
KJV


114 posted on 12/16/2008 12:52:43 PM PST by Godsgirl
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To: Quix

Is not the west wall part of the temple?


115 posted on 12/16/2008 1:59:10 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: Godsgirl
Indeed you are Godsgirl, we must keep very short lists with Christ. Jesus is above all things HOLY, we have no other way home, but by the blood of Jesus.

"In Christ I stand all other ground is sinking sand"

Excellent point. I believe that if more Christians kept this Truth in the forefront of their minds and remembered that Christ is coming for a church/bride without spot, wrinkle or blemish, one that is set apart unto Him, then the church would not be in the state of sin and compromise that we’re in today.

116 posted on 12/17/2008 6:09:21 AM PST by STD (Go Out to the Nations Preaching the Good News)
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To: TexasRepublic
There is a crown for those that watch. It's only another token we can cast at Our King Jesus' feet. Nothing more that anyone must obcess over.

Agape Love to All of You Sisters and Brothers in Jesus

117 posted on 12/17/2008 6:12:51 AM PST by STD (Go Out to the Nations Preaching the Good News)
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To: Quix
I mispoke here. What I was trying to say was that after Jesus won the Victory over hell, death and the grave, after He sent down "the Comforter" and returned to His throne; our situation and station as followers of Jesus made all of us prophets, priests and kings.

No longer was there any exclusive official office in the Judeo-Christian family for a "Prophet" as there had been for the Jewish leaders of Israel and Judah. No mortal man will be "the Prophet" holding the office as the sloe prophet leading the way.

118 posted on 12/17/2008 6:25:47 AM PST by STD (Go Out to the Nations Preaching the Good News)
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To: Iscool

INDEED.


119 posted on 12/17/2008 12:34:19 PM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Part of the hill—platform built up to build the TEMPLE ON.

Is all of the mountain part of NORAD?

Is the bedrock under the towers part of Golden Gate Bridge?


120 posted on 12/17/2008 12:47:24 PM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: STD

IN TERMS OF

SOLE PROPHET LEADING THE WAY, I’d agree.

However, Paul is quite clear . . .

some folks are called,

IN THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH ERA WE ARE STILL IN . . .

to the OFFICES of

Apostle
Pastor
Teacher
Prophet
Evangelist

WHILE ALL OF US ARE PART OF THE PRIESTHOOD of the believers . . .

in which roles . . . there are no Jews, Greeks, Masters, Slaves, males, Females . . .

All are equal before The Cross.


121 posted on 12/17/2008 12:56:54 PM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Bravo,

You are correct. St. Augustine went one step further in "City of God" when his classic work described the difference between the visable church on earth and the invisable assembly of all His annointed people. We don't know whom God has desired to welcome home to His regular family.

If you depend upon, spend regular private prayer time with Jesus each day there are crowns for you. If you are acting as a encouragement to others in the faith and you carry about bring the lost around.time with and trust Jesus, He will know your name. People who were only playing games only present at church on Sunday. appearing to be righteous, but inside they are vavinous dogs"

Paul said as only Paul could say "there are now no gentiles, Jews or Greeks" all come together as a new assembly. Nothing attached to the western empire survived

Their duty was to glorify our almighty King Jesus not because He's our only hope, but because a recently converted "Christian empire was utterly defeated by the Barbarians.city. When Augustine was forced to become an apologist for the Fall of Rome and the question all Christians who were murdered, enslaved and executed for their faith. of the true states church in heaven are sorted out.

122 posted on 12/17/2008 9:23:52 PM PST by STD (Go Out to the Nations Preaching the Good News)
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To: Quix

Was it laid down as an expansion of the temple? If so then it is part of the temple.


123 posted on 12/18/2008 12:42:38 AM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

I suspect God’s opinion is different.

In any case, His opinion is the only one that counts.


124 posted on 12/18/2008 12:30:46 PM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: STD

Thanks for your kind words.


125 posted on 12/18/2008 12:31:11 PM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
I don't believe that I asked for an opinion I asked

"Was it laid down as an expansion of the temple? If so then it is part of the temple."

126 posted on 12/18/2008 8:26:19 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

You stated your opinion.

I stated mine.

I don’t know that what you asked for is particularly governing . . . in the least.


127 posted on 12/19/2008 8:33:06 AM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Ok Quix here has been the line of questions and responses so far.

Me to STD
Please show me where the tribulation period is 7 years. Revelation has no 7 year period only 3.5 years. In your reference in Matt 24 Christ said that no stone would stand of the temple so something must happen for the last of the wall to fall so until that time I would not get my bowls in a uproar or and underwear in a wringer.

Your response to my statement to STD
He said of THE TEMPLE. He did NOT say, of THE TEMPLE AND THE PLATFORM IT’S BUILT ON.

My response to you
Is not the west wall part of the temple?

Your responce
Part of the hill—platform built up to build the TEMPLE ON. Is all of the mountain part of NORAD? Is the bedrock under the towers part of Golden Gate Bridge?

MY responce to you
Was it laid down as an expansion of the temple? If so then it is part of the temple.

Your response
I suspect God’s opinion is different. In any case, His opinion is the only one that counts.

My response
I don't believe that I asked for an opinion I asked "Was it laid down as an expansion of the temple? If so then it is part of the temple."

our response
You stated your opinion. I stated mine. I don’t know that what you asked for is particularly governing . . . in the least.

My response
IS THE WALL PART OF THE EXPANSION OF THE TEMPLE? NOTICE THE QUESION MARK THIS IS THE SAME QUESTION I HAVE ASKED IN THE LAST 4 POSTS

128 posted on 12/19/2008 8:24:54 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

the answer, imho,

remains

NO.

In terms of the issues of concern in this thread, the platform and wall adding to the leveled mount . . . is not, per se, PART OF The Temple.

It is a constructed addition to the leveled part of the mount on which the Temple is built.

BTW have you ever been there?

I have.

Christ did NOT say,

No stone OF

The TEMPLE

AND

THE TEMPLE MOUNT’s artificial addition

will be left one upon another.

Adding to Christ’s Words is not advised.


129 posted on 12/19/2008 9:03:04 PM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: guitarplayer1953

BTW,

I’ve never found it profitable nor advisable to try and put God in some silly, mangled, extrapolated, rationlized little human box on much of anything.


130 posted on 12/19/2008 9:05:07 PM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
If one can not count on the accuracy of God's word then what can one count on?

Does God's promises still stand? When He says that He will do something will He do it? Has Israel possessed all the land that God has said they would? No? So is God a lier? Or will they still posses it in some future time?

There is not a box big enough to put God in so I do not do that but I will hold Him to His promises and His word.

131 posted on 12/20/2008 3:59:05 AM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

The accuracy of God’s Word is one thing.

The accuracy of vain glorious

PERSONAL

interpretations, extrapolations, fantasies, mangled flying leaps

therefrom

are quite another.

OF COURSE God’s promises are faithful.

He CERTAINLY WILL INSURE THAT ISRAEL HAS EVERY SQUARE INCH OF LAND HE PROMISED ABRAHAM. She has never, yet, possessed all that land. She certainly WILL.


132 posted on 12/20/2008 6:04:09 AM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
The accuracy of vain glorious PERSONAL interpretations, extrapolations, fantasies, mangled flying leaps therefrom are quite another.

WOW! THAT IS QUITE A OPINION.

133 posted on 12/20/2008 6:03:46 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: thatjoeguy

“And why do people keep bringing up the pre-trib rapture. Where is it in scripture??”

It is not in Scripture. It e-v-o-l-v-e-d from John Nelson Darby about 180 years or so ago.


134 posted on 12/20/2008 6:32:12 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: thatjoeguy

“And why do people keep bringing up the pre-trib rapture. Where is it in scripture??”

It is not in Scripture. It e-v-o-l-v-e-d from John Nelson Darby about 180 years or so ago.


135 posted on 12/20/2008 6:35:08 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: guitarplayer1953

Though, imho, greatly inferior in wattage to your cheeky opinion about the wall of the addition to the mount.


136 posted on 12/20/2008 6:36:44 PM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

That assertion has been proven wrong hereon multiple times.

The belief is New Testament . . . and certainly can be traced back to the NT era.

Darby was a Johnny-come-lately to the party.


137 posted on 12/20/2008 6:37:50 PM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

“The belief is New Testament . . . and certainly can be traced back to the NT era.”

Facts, please.


138 posted on 12/20/2008 6:44:00 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Help yourself.

They are hidden in the thousands of my posts hereon as well as those of some others.

I have no need to do your research for you.

I just like to note ill-informed, poorly researched, off-the-wall assertions as such . . . from time to time.


139 posted on 12/20/2008 6:48:51 PM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: guitarplayer1953
And Quix The wall was not included in the discussion as a simple reading of the scriptures is very clear on this matter.

Matthew 24:1-2 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

What things? The buildings of the temple
I think that's pretty clear
JB
140 posted on 12/21/2008 10:38:24 AM PST by thatjoeguy (Just my thoughts)
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To: Quix

Actually that has not been proven by any means. Early church fathers all had a post tribulation position and THAT has been proven multiple times and is still evident today (not like any of them can change their minds now anyway) :).

The history of the pre-trib doctrine can clearly be traced back to a Morgan Edwards book in 1788, then in the early 1800s to Edward Irving from 1825-1832 where he first began teaching this ‘secret’ rapture. Darby only picked it up shortly after that and was refuted in writings from notables such as Samuel P. Tregelles (1813/1875) in 1855 and William Kelly (1811/1888) also around that time who both clearly identified the ‘Irvingites’ as those that first brought forth this doctrine.

Even after a 20 year search of early church writers, Grant Jeffrey failed to produce one actual true example of support for a secret rapture. Shamefully he did take about a half dozen quotes out of context as proof but these were quickly and embarrassingly disproved.

JB


141 posted on 12/21/2008 10:57:23 AM PST by thatjoeguy (Just my thoughts)
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To: thatjoeguy; Quix
The history of the pre-trib doctrine can clearly be traced back to a Morgan Edwards book in 1788,

The first person who formulated this eschatology was a Jesuit named Ribera in 1591AD. He interpreted the book of Revelation suggesting an end-time personal antichrist, a rebuilt Babylon and a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem at the end of the Christian Era.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
142 posted on 12/21/2008 11:04:31 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: XeniaSt; thatjoeguy

Thanks for your input. Your research sounds reasonably solid.

However, I remain convinced that key aspects of that perspective were operant in the first 100-300 years of the church.

thatjoeguy—I agree about the wall.


143 posted on 12/21/2008 8:01:56 PM PST by Quix (LEADRs QUOTEs FM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Thanks for your input. Your research sounds reasonably solid.

However, I remain convinced that key aspects of that perspective were operant in the first 100-300 years of the church.

I agree with you, that it is first century belief.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
144 posted on 12/21/2008 8:15:31 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: XeniaSt

thx BIG

LUB

NIGHT NIGHT


145 posted on 12/21/2008 8:22:53 PM PST by Quix (LEADRs QUOTEs FM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Thanks, I was a firm believer of the pre-trib doctrine its what I grew up with and all I knew. When it was first challenged in a article I was reading a few years ago, I was stunned. So I set out to prove and defend it, within a short time though I started to have my doubts about the pre-trib rapture and those doubts eventually gave way to the realization that its not true. I spent nearly a year of research on it, (being unemployed then I had lots of time) I’ve read thousands of pages worth of early church writers (mainly the 80-250AD era), and have yet to find any hint of it.

I honestly feel its one of Satan’s tactics to put the average christian at ease. Why study and prepare yourself if your not going to be there for the final exam.

Also look at it this way, if the tribulation did start and the warning went out, how many christians would simply not believe it because they are still here?

Jesus told us to watch, but then why watch when your expecting Jesus to come get you?

Sorry, but the more I look at it now the less it makes sense.
JB


146 posted on 12/22/2008 2:27:28 AM PST by thatjoeguy (Just my thoughts)
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To: XeniaSt

Do you mean Manuel Lacunza who wrote “The Coming of the Messiah”? After a quick search I couldn’t find anything on Ribera except that he was a noted painter. :)

Manuel’s, who was a Jesuit priest, two volume work was translated by E. Irving in 1827 and had somewhat of your description I believe. I’ve not read the translation yet although I have copies (maybe I should start).

There is also the ramblings of a girl named Margaret or something like that as well in like 1814 or somewhere around there. I’ve read the written account of her ‘visions’ but to me their inconclusive.

JB


147 posted on 12/22/2008 2:36:03 AM PST by thatjoeguy (Just my thoughts)
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To: thatjoeguy
Wow so the wall was part of all the buildings? Now this is not some

vain glorious PERSONAL interpretations, extrapolations, fantasies, mangled flying leaps of your imaginations or some cheeky opinion?

148 posted on 12/22/2008 5:37:41 AM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: thatjoeguy

i THINK I understand your perspective.

Thanks for your candor.

I don’t think anyone has it all figured out.

Personally, I suspect there may be more than one ‘catching away.’

I think God has some surprises in store for all of us and certainly for the enemy.


149 posted on 12/22/2008 7:12:36 AM PST by Quix (LEADRs QUOTEs FM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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150 posted on 12/22/2008 7:42:31 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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