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1 posted on 12/16/2008 9:33:18 AM PST by TaraP
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probably the precise moment i finally finish christmas cards...


2 posted on 12/16/2008 9:35:30 AM PST by ZinGirl
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“Do you think the Father is waiting on us? rather than us waiting on him to return to earth?”

I think the Father is waiting for us to go to every nation, people and place to spread the Good Word and give people a chance to prepare for His Coming. That said, He won’t wait forever and will determine His own timing.


3 posted on 12/16/2008 9:37:12 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone

Tell me the month and the year and I'll have some time to get things straightened out in my life.

7 posted on 12/16/2008 9:39:14 AM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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I live in South Florida, we have Jesuses everywhere...


8 posted on 12/16/2008 9:39:31 AM PST by mrclean5
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The presence of Jesus, I would imagine.


9 posted on 12/16/2008 9:39:37 AM PST by Reaganesque
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Probably God.


10 posted on 12/16/2008 9:39:48 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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The Gospel must first be preached to all nations. I think that’s in Matt 24. The only ones left are islamic strongholds and a few obscure languages in jungles.


12 posted on 12/16/2008 9:40:35 AM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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No. God has set the timetable. The time for return was already set before any of us existed, and only God the Father knows it. Because He knows the future before it happens, as God is not constrained in time as we are, the whole premise of ‘waiting’ isn’t quite the same thing.


14 posted on 12/16/2008 9:41:26 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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ping


16 posted on 12/16/2008 9:42:50 AM PST by unkus
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Well Saul thought he was doing the Lord’s work and he got brought down on that road to Damascus. Now are we not told to ‘wait’ ‘watch’ for that day? I do not think the LORD is in need of our advise.


19 posted on 12/16/2008 9:44:37 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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I’m going out on a limb and guessing that Jesus himself will be making that determination.


21 posted on 12/16/2008 9:49:16 AM PST by johncocktoasten (Obama/Biden '08, in and of itself, A Bridge To Nowhere)
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Do you think the Father is waiting on us? rather than us waiting on him to return to earth?

Let's see what Scripture has to say. The OT chapter most frequently quoted or cited or echoed in the NT is Psalm 110. For example, see I Cor. 15:25-28:

Bottom line: Jesus is reigning now, from the Father's right hand, in, through, and for the Church. He will continue leading us from victory to victory, until there is only one enemy remaining, death. THEN, not before, comes the end. The bodily return of our Lord, and the resurrection of our bodies.

Every other enemy needs to bite the dust first. At this point in history, I still see too many butts that need to be kicked. The prevalence of the scatological ends indicates the remoteness of the eschatological end. 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

22 posted on 12/16/2008 9:50:48 AM PST by RJR_fan (Winners and lovers shape the future. Whiners and losers TRY TO PREDICT IT.)
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Do you think the Father is waiting on us? rather than us waiting on Him to return to earth? NO.
23 posted on 12/16/2008 9:51:24 AM PST by mkjessup (43 prior Presidents did NOT spend six-figure sums to hide the details of their birth certificate!)
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"Do we as believers have the power to bring fourth Jesus Christ by praying for his return consistently?"

Nothing in the scriptures would indicate that. "The time of the fullness of the Gentiles" is the stated time of his physical return.

24 posted on 12/16/2008 9:53:42 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks allot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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“...pin down a date when Jesus might return, especially in these perilous times we all are living in....”

People in despair have often wanted the end of the world hoping to enter a better world or an end to their suffering. I am sure that many in the Nazi concentration camps would’ve welcomed the end and perhaps even prayed for it.


25 posted on 12/16/2008 9:55:09 AM PST by 353FMG (The sky is not falling, yet.)
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I’ve always wondered how the MSM would report the second coming of Christ.


30 posted on 12/16/2008 10:02:30 AM PST by weef
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He is probably waiting until people stop playing know it all and stop predicting when...


31 posted on 12/16/2008 10:04:15 AM PST by mnehring
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“When”?
Would Jesus care at all about something (”time”) that is individually marked by the lifetimes of billions?


33 posted on 12/16/2008 10:07:35 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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..another thought, maybe we missed it..

Matthew 24:34-35 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till al these things be fulfilled.

35 posted on 12/16/2008 10:08:04 AM PST by mnehring
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The answers to your question will vary depending on:

1. Whether the responder believes the Bible in a literal fashion (”normal-literal” interpretation), or in an allegorical fashion.

2. Whether the responder believes that Israel will one day be restored, or whether he/she believes that all of prophesy has been fulfilled already some time in the first 150 years of the “church age.” Some interpret the Bible according to historical events, instead of judging historical events by the Scriptures.

3. Whether the responder believes that the Church has replaced Israel entirely; the idea that Israel sort o’ metamorphosed into the Church. The converse would be that, although “in Christ” there is neither Jew nor Gentile, God's prophetic program still distinguishes three kind of people on the earth, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God (1 Cor. 10:32).

During the “days of His flesh” the Lord Jesus did limit His knowledge, and so He could say that men, nor angels, nor He Himself knew the day or hour that the Son of Man would come - - - and He IS the Son of Man. Of course, there would be no reason to teach that as the resurrected Head of the Church at His Father's Right Hand, His knowledge of these matters is still restricted.

The differences between the ministry of Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of Man on earth, and the ministry of the exalted Christ, the Head of the Body (Ephesians 1:17-23; Colossians chapter 1; etc.) are very important to understand.

Prior to the conversion of the “Apostle to the Gentiles,” Paul, and while the ministry of the Twelve was restricted to Israel as a Nation (Acts 1-9 especially), it was not for them to know the times and the seasons.

But Paul instructed the Thessalonian church, which would be after Acts chapter 17, that there was no need that he write to them concerning the times and the seasons, because they KNEW PERFECTLY WELL . . . (see 1 Thess. ch. 5).

Revelation was progressive through the Acts period, after the “fall” and during the “diminishing” of Israel, the time in which Paul “magnified” his office of Apostle to the Gentiles (Read Romans ch. 11).

That men did not know the day nor the hour of the coming of the Son of Man during our Lord's earthly ministry does not necessarily mean that men during a future time will not be able to roughly date it.

When the man of sin, the son of perdition, appears and takes power, and especially when he stands in the holy place and declares himself to be “God,” (2 Thess. ch. 2) the believers facing his onslaught will be able to calculate how much time remains from the prophesy of Daniel. The Son of Man Himself confirmed the validity of Daniel's prophesy and suggested that would see this, the Abomination of Desolation (Daniel 9).

36 posted on 12/16/2008 10:16:26 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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