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To: RJR_fan

However Jesus said: Unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved..

So we know the earth will continue to get worse as we are suffering the birth pains of a fallen world currently.

Since we have overcome death by the Blood of the Lamb, haven’t we (Believers) already achieved *Victory*?


27 posted on 12/16/2008 9:57:39 AM PST by TaraP (A Big Black Horse and a Cherry Tree)
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To: TaraP
So we know the earth will continue to get worse as we are suffering the birth pains of a fallen world currently.

What you mean "we," pale face?

And how, exactly do you know that our presence in this earth is a matter of total irrelevance, total impotence, and total uselessness? We may as well fold our hands and walk away from the table. No point being in the game, because God Himself has already told us that our efforts are pointless.

12 spies went into Canaan. 10 came back as cheerleaders for the other team.

Caleb and Joshua saw opportunities for God to magnify His faithfulness, keep His promises, and demonstrate His power.

God was not on the side of the "majority report." In fact, those who demoralized and discouraged and undermined God's people suffered immediate judgment. Those who heeded the cowardly spies got to spend the next 40 years walking in circles in the desert.

Is the goal of your "ministry" to make your fellow Christians as useless as you feel yourself to be? Do you really think this pleases God?

57 posted on 12/16/2008 11:29:34 AM PST by RJR_fan (Winners and lovers shape the future. Whiners and losers TRY TO PREDICT IT.)
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To: TaraP
May I suggest a book to read? GLOBAL WARNING by Tim LaHaye and Ed Hinson. This no doubt the best book I have ever read on the second coming and where we stand in this event.
77 posted on 12/17/2008 8:39:06 AM PST by gulfcoast6 (GOD FIRST, THEN US!)
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So we know the earth will continue to get worse as we are suffering the birth pains of a fallen world currently.

Since we have overcome death by the Blood of the Lamb, haven’t we (Believers) already achieved *Victory*?

Premillenialists believe that the ratio of wheat to tares will progressively change in the tare's favor. The Great Commission is fulfilled in history only in the sense of being preached to all nations (but positive returns on preaching, i.e. conversions, will steadily and progressively decline, as will the prospects for raising up Godly progeny). The gates of Hell will progressively prevail against His church, leading to a Great Tribulation and Armageddon where the AntiChrist holds sway and influence over every soul on the planet, and Christ's enemies progressively wield influence, achieving a decisive victory by the apex of history. They are unable to be defeated until Christ returns physically to kick their collective keisters. Pretrib/Premillers tell us that "Jesus already has the victory", but only a victory that fails to manifest itself within history, contrary to Psalm 110, Matthew 13, Matthew 18, Matthew 28, etc etc etc).

While Christ personally may "have the victory", Christ's church will eventually lose all impact and influence as history progresses. It should then come as no surprise that the church ultimately disappears entirely (the rapture), having used up whatever opportunities it was given, and having "left behind" nothing of lasting value in return.

I have to wonder whether the premillers are expecting greater things of the wheat, or the tares?

87 posted on 12/17/2008 12:42:32 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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