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Christianity and Sexual Pleasure
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Chastity/Chastity_013.htm ^ | Unknown | Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.

Posted on 12/16/2008 4:43:12 PM PST by stfassisi

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To: annalex

You didn’t ask, but there also is the sin of self-mutilation, inherent in vasectomy and tubal ligation.

I had my tubes clamped about 4years ago after my 4th child. At the time it seemed like the right thing, but I didn’t even seek God’s guidance or truth on the matter. I pretended like I did with a half hearted, insincere prayer, but I didn’t really. About a year or so after, I had to make things right in my heart towards God, knowing that I took matters into my own hands and was acting as god of my own life. Christianity is a matter of being willing to submit to the will of God in all matters. In all situations with others, I’m not sure how this plays out in the eyes of God, but in my case I know that I sinned clearly for the fact that I was not seeking His will, but my own.


41 posted on 12/17/2008 9:36:31 AM PST by Godsgirl
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To: annalex
If it is a will of God for the marital act not to result in a pregnancy, no pregnancy will result without contraception.

A couple who engage in contraception wish to bypass the will of God in favor of their own will.

Here, I proved it.

By the same logic, if it is the will of God, then pregnancy will occur regardless of any attempts at contraception. So really, the validity of your argument still lies in the interpretation of God's will.

42 posted on 12/17/2008 10:17:30 AM PST by Jack of all Trades
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To: Godsgirl

But you repented.

God bless you.


43 posted on 12/17/2008 1:58:56 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Jack of all Trades

True. This is correct regarding any other sin: permissive will of God allows our own wicked will to be done and not His, for example, when a thief gets away with the stolen goods, a blasphemer utters blasphemies, a murderer strikes his victim, — or marital love is negated by a condom.


44 posted on 12/17/2008 2:03:26 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

The first three can be proven by logic to any Christian who can read the Bible. The one about contraception relies on infallible interpretation.


45 posted on 12/17/2008 4:02:52 PM PST by Jack of all Trades
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To: Star Traveler

A “beast” with two backs?


46 posted on 12/17/2008 4:03:52 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: Jack of all Trades

All four are proves from reason.


47 posted on 12/17/2008 4:07:25 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

Only if you can reason that marital sex is solely for procreation, and that any other purpose or intent to defeat that purpose is sinful.


48 posted on 12/17/2008 4:31:25 PM PST by Jack of all Trades
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To: Jack of all Trades

I simply observe that God did give us ways to enjoy sex during infertile periods as well as during fertile periods. That is the divine will regarding family planning. To not obey it is to sin.


49 posted on 12/17/2008 4:47:16 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

That is the assertion.


50 posted on 12/17/2008 5:10:57 PM PST by Jack of all Trades
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To: Jack of all Trades

That is the observation of how we are made by God.


51 posted on 12/17/2008 5:12:39 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
All four are proves from reason.

Only if you start with the assumption that God's will is thwarted by technology. Rubbers and the pill can't thwart God.

52 posted on 12/17/2008 5:12:50 PM PST by jude24
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To: jude24

See my 44. It is called permissive will of God, as distinct from his active will.


53 posted on 12/17/2008 5:14:27 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: stfassisi

It’s disturbing Song of Songs is not referenced in this article.


54 posted on 12/17/2008 5:15:16 PM PST by Vision ("Test everything. Hold on to the Good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21)
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To: stfassisi
Contraception is taking reproduction out of God's hands and placing reproduction in the hands of man.

Vaccination is taking infection out of God's hands and placing infection in the hands of man.

Electricity is taking illumination out of God's hands and placing illumination in the hands of man.

Dentistry is taking tooth decay out of God's hands and placing tooth decay in the hands of man.

Etc., etc., etc.

55 posted on 12/17/2008 5:20:41 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Electricity,Vaccination,dentistry etc.. does not produce life,they sustain life.

Contraception prevents life just like abortion

56 posted on 12/17/2008 7:31:26 PM PST by stfassisi (The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: Lurking Libertarian; stfassisi

It is not the will of God that we suffer from disease; a physician therefore conforms to the will of God as he practices his profession.

Likewise an engineer makes something out of materials God provided to him, such as electricity.

But contraception is not making anything, it is preventing divine design of the human body to operate as intended by Him. In that sense, it is similar to abortion or any other form of murder, as stfassisi remarked, albeit it is not criminal.


57 posted on 12/17/2008 8:18:49 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: stfassisi
Contraception prevents life just like abortion

The same can be said of celibacy.

58 posted on 12/17/2008 8:23:37 PM PST by Jack of all Trades
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To: Jack of all Trades
The same can be said of celibacy.

The vow of celibacy involves no sexual activity,therefor it does not prevent life.

59 posted on 12/17/2008 8:54:26 PM PST by stfassisi (The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: stfassisi

Mary and Joseph had a SEXLESS marriage.


60 posted on 12/13/2014 5:27:52 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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