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Cash offered to addicts, alcoholics who agree to sterilization
American Papist ^ | December 19, 2008 | Thomas Peters

Posted on 12/19/2008 10:18:33 AM PST by NYer

This is so offensive to the dignity of the human person!

Instead of attempting to cure the cause of people's ills, some are attempting to nullify the inconvenience these people cause to the rest of society:

Folks at downtown's Ronstadt Transit Center on Tuesday afternoon had a way to make a quick $300.

The only stipulation was that the people be drug addicts or alcoholics who agree to long-term birth control.

The group Project Prevention, started by Barbara Harris in 1997, has so far paid more than 2,800 men and women across the nation.

.... Acceptable long-term birth control includes tubal ligation, Depo Provera shots and IUDs for women, or a vasectomy for men. (Tuscon Citizen)

Here's how Project Prevention responds to criticism:
"Those who oppose what we're doing should be willing to step up and adopt a few of the babies," Harris said. "These women can't raise these children."
Don't bother mentioning why people might oppose this.

I wonder how these unfortunate addicted people are going to use this $300 ... oh, that's right.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: az; catholic; moralabsolutes; prolife; sterilization; tucson
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1 posted on 12/19/2008 10:18:34 AM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/19/2008 10:20:41 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Works for me.

People with these problems shouldn’t be having children.


3 posted on 12/19/2008 10:21:43 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: NYer

Sounds like a good idea to me too. After all, nobody is forcing them.


4 posted on 12/19/2008 10:23:18 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: NYer

Abort retarded babies, sterilize alcoholics (as a first step). Yet another step on the road back to Eugenics.


5 posted on 12/19/2008 10:23:38 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: NYer

Wow.


6 posted on 12/19/2008 10:24:31 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Deplore the profligate scattering of corpses!)
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To: Sherman Logan

Should be a prerequisite for welfare.


7 posted on 12/19/2008 10:25:18 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: NYer

“wonder how these unfortunate addicted people are going to use this $300 ... oh, that’s right.”

You’ll never stop them from being addicts, but you might stop some abortions and unwanted pregnancies.

Good idea, I hope they can get away with it.


8 posted on 12/19/2008 10:25:18 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
Should be a prerequisite for welfare.

A bit harsh for me. However, I would happily support it after one year of welfare! : )

9 posted on 12/19/2008 10:27:16 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: NYer
Sterilization isn't anything new. At least, well, they're voluntary. (Heavy sarcasm.)

Wikipedia:

The United States was the first country to concertedly undertake compulsory sterilization programs for the purpose of eugenics. The heads of the program were avid believers in eugenics and frequently argued for their program. They were devastated when it was shut down due to ethical problems. The principal targets of the American program were the mentally retarded and the mentally ill, but also targeted under many state laws were the deaf, the blind, people with epilepsy, and the physically deformed. Native Americans, as well as Afro-American women, were sterilized against their will in many states, often without their knowledge, while they were in a hospital for other reasons (e.g. childbirth). Some sterilizations also took place in prisons and other penal institutions, targeting criminality, but they were in the relative minority. In the end, over 65,000 individuals were sterilized in 33 states under state compulsory sterilization programs in the United States.

It's hard to justify programs like that after you've seen hills of corpses, so they lost popularity after WW2.

10 posted on 12/19/2008 10:28:12 AM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

As long as it’s voluntary, sounds like a good idea.


11 posted on 12/19/2008 10:30:29 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

“Abort retarded babies, sterilize alcoholics (as a first step). Yet another step on the road back to Eugenics.”

Yep, eugenics rears its ugly head again.

Anyone who wants to see where this ends just has to look back to NAZI Germany.


12 posted on 12/19/2008 10:33:50 AM PST by Brookhaven (The Fair Tax is THE economic litmus test for conservatives)
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To: Sherman Logan

i like it. Sterilize all liberal democrats too. Children born to chronic junkies and alcoholics have a horrible life.


13 posted on 12/19/2008 10:34:04 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: NYer
If the choice is between paying for abortions or paying for voluntary sterilizations, count me as a supporter of the latter. Still, I'm weary of anything with the hint of eugenics to it. Centralized control of human breeding would be a disaster in moral and biological realms. If experiments like this act to curry public support for involuntary extensions (for whatever pretext), count me as an opponent.
14 posted on 12/19/2008 10:37:20 AM PST by M203M4 (Bill Kristol: Piltdown conservative)
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To: NYer
This is so offensive to the dignity of the human person!

It's completely voluntary, and some of the methods offered are reversible. What's so offensive to the "dignity of a human person" ?

15 posted on 12/19/2008 10:39:43 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: NYer
"Those who oppose what we're doing should be willing to step up and adopt a few of the babies," Harris said. "These women can't raise these children."

There's babies for adoption??? HOLY MOLY!!! I've gotta tell my brother about this! He's been waiting four years to get his adoption from the Philippines (another Christmas without children looks like it's in the cards this year.)

My friend here at work too, who's been trying for three years with no luck to adopt. He's going to have to pay $10,000 to get a Guatemalan kid.

The wife and I would LOVE to have another baby, but we figured it was such a task that it would be a dream deferred.

NYer, I can't thank you enough for posting this. I'm going to call this Harris person right now and ask for information on her adoption service!

Owl_Eagle

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Franklin Roosevelt got on the television
and didn’t just talk about
the princes of greed, he said,
‘Look, here’s what happened.’"
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16 posted on 12/19/2008 10:40:53 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
Should be a prerequisite for welfare.

Damn straight, along with drug testing.

17 posted on 12/19/2008 10:41:14 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I know we can’t support this program, but I don’t think it’s the same thing as aborting retarded children. An unborn baby already exists as an actual person. Taking life and preventing life are not the same.


18 posted on 12/19/2008 10:41:28 AM PST by utahagen
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To: Sherman Logan

“As long as it’s voluntary, sounds like a good idea.”

It’s not voluntary, it’s coerced. They might as well dangle a bag of heroin in front of a junkie. Addicts will do almost anything for the next ‘fix.’

I can’t believe some of the comments here.


19 posted on 12/19/2008 10:46:45 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: NYer

I’m for this as well.

This way I don’t have to pay for their mostly illegitamate and uncared for children who then grow up and also become a burden and cost for society.

Do they have a similiar program for liberals?


20 posted on 12/19/2008 10:58:21 AM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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