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No, Christ isnít allowed in Christmas
95News ^ | December 20th, 2008

Posted on 12/20/2008 12:04:31 PM PST by Tai_Chung

A public school teacher in Mississippi marked down an eleven-year-old’s Christmas poem assignment and told the boy to rewrite it because he used the word “Jesus,” which, the instructor explained, is a name not allowed in school.

Liberty Counsel, a non-profit organization dedicated to advancing religious freedom, reports that sixth-grader Andrew White of Hattiesburg, Miss., chose to write the poem on the assignment “What Christmas means to me.”

After White turned in his rough draft, however, his teacher circled the word “Jesus” and deducted a point from his grade. The teacher then explained that he needed to rewrite the poem without the offending word.

When White’s parents questioned the teacher, Liberty Counsel reports, they received a response email explaining, “[Andrew] and another child did a poem about Christ. I know we can’t discuss these type [sic] of things in school so I asked the two of them to do another poem of their choice.”

Mathew D. Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel and dean of Liberty University School of Law, expressed dismay that despite many legal clarifications on the issue, there are still educationl officials that mistakenly believe students can’t speak of their faith at school.

“Some educators need education that the story of Christmas is not banned from public schools,” Staver said in a statement.

Staver says he was “horrified that a sixth-grader was told by his teacher, ‘we can’t discuss these types of things in school.’ I don’t understand why some people don’t get it. Christmas is a state and federal holiday. Schools are closed to celebrate this holiday. Obviously, Christmas is constitutional.”

The principal at White’s Thames Elementary School agreed with Staver.

After White’s parents encouraged Andrew to turn in his first, unedited poem, Principal Carrie Hornsby changed the boy’s grade to a 100 and conceded that there was nothing improper in using Jesus’ name. Hornsby also coordinated a mailing to all the school’s parents, explaining that students’ religious expression is permitted under federal guidelines.

White’s parents, however, told OneNewsNow that the situation has caused them to consider homeschooling their son, concerned about other challenges to the faith Andrew may be experiencing apart from their knowledge.

Andrew’s original poem, “A Great Christmas,” reads: “The best Christmas ever is when everyone is there. It is when everyone is laughing here and there. That is the Christmas I want to share. Christmas is about Jesus’ birth. About peace on Earth. This is what Christmas is about. It is when He lay in a manger. And the three wise men come to see. That’s what it means to me.”


TOPICS: Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: agreatchristmas; andrew; antichristmas; christmas; culturewars; education; publiceducation; publicschools; waronchristmas

1 posted on 12/20/2008 12:04:31 PM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: Tai_Chung
Andrew’s original poem, “A Great Christmas,” reads: “The best Christmas ever is when everyone is there. It is when everyone is laughing here and there. That is the Christmas I want to share. Christmas is about Jesus’ birth. About peace on Earth. This is what Christmas is about. It is when He lay in a manger. And the three wise men come to see. That’s what it means to me.”

A+, Andrew!

2 posted on 12/20/2008 12:09:49 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Keeping both the CHRIST and the MASS in CHRISTMAS)
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To: Tai_Chung
White’s parents, however, told OneNewsNow that the situation has caused them to consider homeschooling their son, concerned about other challenges to the faith Andrew may be experiencing apart from their knowledge.

It's too bad that many parents have to wait until they or their child personally experience something like this before considering homeschooling.

3 posted on 12/20/2008 12:10:16 PM PST by Hazwaste (Feeling bitter and clingy since 1963.)
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To: Tai_Chung
on the assignment “What Christmas means to me.”

The ASSIGNMENT mentions Christ! The kid was just doing the assignment!

4 posted on 12/20/2008 12:11:03 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Keeping both the CHRIST and the MASS in CHRISTMAS)
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To: Tai_Chung
his teacher circled the word “Jesus” and deducted a point. . . .

Andrew got "the point" better than the dumb teacher!

5 posted on 12/20/2008 12:12:03 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Keeping both the CHRIST and the MASS in CHRISTMAS)
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To: Charles Henrickson

The Principal took care of this situation.


6 posted on 12/20/2008 12:12:50 PM PST by omega4179 (Ramos and Compean)
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To: Hazwaste

When a teacher is both ignorant and prejudiced, parents ought to consider an alternative.


7 posted on 12/20/2008 12:19:58 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
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To: omega4179

Yes, but now this ignoramus “teacher” will be out to get this kid for making him look foolish, and worse yet, forcing him to back down.

The kid would be far better off outside this dubious “school”.


8 posted on 12/20/2008 12:21:02 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Tai_Chung

I’d expect this kind of bigotry in a deep blue state but Mississippi? It is disgusting that such liberal human waste have begun to infest such a place.


9 posted on 12/20/2008 12:26:42 PM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Tai_Chung

A+ Andrew

C’mon, folks. Give Andrew an attaboy.


10 posted on 12/20/2008 12:36:40 PM PST by combat_boots ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."Aldous Huxley)
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To: Tai_Chung
IF YOU COULD HAVE ANYTHING IN THE WORLD

An essay to our fifth grade class back in the 60's"

Date April 26th, 1968)

Some would wish the war would end. I do, but gramps says we can win and i believe old sad Sac . If I could have anything in the world it wouldn't be to be rich. It would not be to have peace on earth. it would be to have a healthy mother. My mom only has one leg from gas gangrene . Back in 1948 she skinned he knee playing softball at Lincoln High School in San Francisco and instead of giving penicillin and sulfa medications they amputated her leg three separate times until the disease finally stopped. "Doctors don't sue doctors." said my grandma Dynamite

I have five brothers and sister. I am the oldest. Mom cam down with breast cancer in 1964. They gave her six months to live. Now it's April 1968 and she's in the hospital more than at home. Last night she took a taxi home just to see us, an IV still in here arm, skinny and in her hospital gown. She hugged us all, cried, and left.

The other day Dr's Chino, and two others amputated her adrenal glands and spleen. She hasn't much time left. No body parts either, no breasts, no lymph nodes, no kidney, no adrenal glands, no leg, no spleen, no hair, but she's our mom and we love her. She'll die soon because even if I'm only 9 years old the doctors told me the anti-bodies are losing. Last night we, the doctor and I used some from my chemistry test tubes and drove to UCLA( 150 miles round trip) and he told me we were looking for similar enzymes.

We had a "man to man" talk. Between you and me she will not live long but I'm still too young to understand death. So yes, I want the war to end. I hear the bombs every night from Camp Pendleton and hear the low jets flying. This is a dangerous world to grow up in. But what I want for "anything in this world, is just so simple is a healthy mother because I love her, and I have no idea how to be a man at my age.

( She died a few weeks later. Last words, "I'll be out of here by tomorrow). She was.

If a person is going to pray to the King of Kings, he hears your voice whether a child or the homeless old man down the road. maybe the answer will be no, maybe yes....but never quite, never surrender and never lose faith, May the Lord bless you may his face shine upon you and bless you all the days of your life.

11 posted on 12/20/2008 12:37:09 PM PST by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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To: Tai_Chung

Where was this in MS? I would think most teachers would understand the underlying principal here. Also, the essay was what Christmas meant to this student. He answered that. I don’t think it would happen in Big D where I live, but you never know.


12 posted on 12/20/2008 12:42:43 PM PST by mfish13
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To: Tai_Chung
The word “Christmas,” if you wanted to be totally secular in the schools, could not be used. “Christ,” for the Son of God and “mas” for the ritual of the Mass (note that one “s” is dropped from the word). The word “mass” is actually an exclusive Roman Catholic word for death. It is the ritual of the Mass that involves the sacrifice and death of Christ with the consumption of the “Host” (”hostiall” is Latin word for victim).

The true meaning of Christmas will not be taught by the Communists trying to subvert our culture and overturn capitalism. It is a wise thing that parents take a little time to home school their children with knowledge of the historical foundation of Western Civilization, Christianity. This is something that many teachers have forgotten, never learned or aligned themselves with the Marxist hate campaign against Christianity.

13 posted on 12/20/2008 12:44:45 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: Tax-chick

The NEA (National Education Association) is the teachers union, and probably the cause of this event.


14 posted on 12/20/2008 12:49:28 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: Tai_Chung

What if the kid’s name had been Jesus Martinez?


15 posted on 12/20/2008 1:07:26 PM PST by Marauder ("I won't be wronged, I won't be lied to, and I won't be laid a hand on." - J.B. Books)
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To: pnh102

“I’d expect this kind of bigotry in a deep blue state but Mississippi?”

I was also surprised to see this from a Mississippi school, but the dark side is invading everywhere.
At least this had a happy ending.
If this had been California, the kid would probably have been expelled, and the teacher been promoted.


16 posted on 12/20/2008 1:08:04 PM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: Tai_Chung

The first thing communism does is eliminate religion, so that the government can be the only body that tells people what is right or wrong.


17 posted on 12/20/2008 1:09:35 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: Tai_Chung

carrie.hornsby@hpsd.k12.ms.us

There’s the Principal’s email address. We always write when things are wrong, we should write when someone sets things right.


18 posted on 12/20/2008 1:12:39 PM PST by kenth (It's now spend and tax. How's that for change?)
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To: Tai_Chung

Good for Andy’s parents. They stood behind him and stood up to an ignorant, PC teacher. More parents/citizens need to do this. Perhaps the left would hit an occasional speed bump on its way to the destruction of a great nation.


19 posted on 12/20/2008 1:18:48 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Tai_Chung

Good for Andy’s parents. They stood behind him and stood up to an ignorant, PC teacher. More parents/citizens need to do this. Perhaps the left would hit an occasional speed bump on its way to the destruction of a great nation.


20 posted on 12/20/2008 1:18:58 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: oldtimer

They’re certainly a main reason there are so many ignorant and prejudiced teachers in schools.


21 posted on 12/20/2008 1:21:22 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
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To: pnh102

The Libs from other parts of the country have discovered how good we have it here in the South and have moved down here polluting everything they come into contact with.


22 posted on 12/20/2008 1:23:25 PM PST by proudofthesouth (In spite of what's going on in the world, God is still in control.)
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To: Tai_Chung

Substitute “Christ” for Jesus. Then lets see the teacher deduct for an inappropriate Christmas assignment.....


23 posted on 12/20/2008 1:24:03 PM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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To: Tai_Chung
“What Christmas means to me.”

To the boy "Christmas" meant a celebration of the Christ's birth. To the teacher it might have meant the end of long nights and the return of the sun. If Jesus wasn't allowed, the assignment shouldn't have been worded “What Christmas means to me.”

24 posted on 12/20/2008 1:31:47 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: R. Scott

So the schools can teach Kwanza, Ramadan, the Winter Solstice, etc, but not Christmas?


25 posted on 12/20/2008 1:48:56 PM PST by Sunbunny
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To: Tai_Chung
the word “Jesus,” which, the instructor explained, is a name not allowed in school.

So I guess I'll have to tell Jesus Martinez that he's not allowed in my 4th period class after all.

While I'm at it, why don't I kick out all the Joshua's, too.

26 posted on 12/20/2008 2:07:33 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Teachers open the door. It's up to you to enter. Before the late bell. When I close the door.)
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To: Tai_Chung
Not sure I would blame the teacher. With the kinds of ambiguous blanket policies being handed down from above in our schools today, the teacher may actually have believed that she would have been reprimanded for the child's poem.

Our public education system is up-gefu#t from the top down and I suspect it is very close to being beyond redemption. Teachers, even those who wish to excell, are hindered by policies handed down from mid and upper level management types bureaucrats and lawyers who are more concerned about PC than whether or not kids are learning.

Good luck getting it changed, especially with the folks coming in to Washington in January.
27 posted on 12/20/2008 2:20:17 PM PST by Sudetenland (Those diplomats serve best, who serve as cannon fodder to protect our troops!)
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To: Tai_Chung

Maybe the kid should have written “Christmas was a religious holiday that we used to celebrate back when America was free; before the Fascists took over, that is.”


28 posted on 12/20/2008 2:46:00 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Tai_Chung

29 posted on 12/20/2008 2:58:31 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Tai_Chung

Bumpfor Andrew. Proof not being PC is laying up our treasures in heaven. The battle lines have been drawn, the comma Jesus stopped reading in Isaiah is soon going to be in affect....God Bless you Andrew for having more balls than all the anti Christs combined!!


30 posted on 12/20/2008 3:40:58 PM PST by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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To: Salvation
This is on my cars (a magnet) and in my yard (4' tall yard ornament). My KofC council sells them. The yard ornaments are hand made.


31 posted on 12/20/2008 4:16:09 PM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: Tai_Chung
Hornsby also coordinated a mailing to all the school’s parents, explaining that students’ religious expression is permitted under federal guidelines.

By what constitutional authority does the federal government limit religious expression?

32 posted on 12/20/2008 5:13:18 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: pnh102

Well, that’s because people take their ball and go home and take their kids to private school or homeschool.

Leaving the rest of us to fight not only our battles with godless NEA liberals but theirs too.

What sense does it make to abandon public schools AND pay for them, not to mention the results of brainwashed socialized kids left behind on our society?!

Liberals should be confronted everywhere, and all the time.


33 posted on 12/20/2008 5:22:13 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Sunbunny

The assignment was about “Christmas”, not Kwanza, Ramadan or the Winter Solstice. The boy wrote what it meant to him, and received a 100. The teacher was in error and corrected.


34 posted on 12/21/2008 3:39:27 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Tai_Chung
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35 posted on 12/21/2008 3:41:03 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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