Skip to comments.What's the Matter With Rick Warren?
Posted on 12/20/2008 5:56:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Now it has officially gone too far: Democrats, in their zeal to appear friendly to evangelical voters, have chosen celebrity preacher and best-selling author Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at Barack Obama's inauguration.
There was no doubt that Obama, like every president before him, would pick a Christian minister to perform this sacred duty. But Obama had thousands of clergy to choose from, and the choice of Warren is not only a slap in the face to progressive ministers toiling on the front lines of advocacy and service but a bow to the continuing influence of the religious right in American politics. Warren vocally opposes gay marriage, does not believe in evolution, has compared abortion to the Holocaust and backed the assassination of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Warren has done a masterful job at marketing himself as a "new" kind of evangelical with a "broader agenda" than just fighting abortion rights and gay marriage. He dispatches members of his congregation to Africa to perform AIDS relief and has positioned himself as a great crusader for bringing his "purpose-driven" pabulum to the world.
Faith in Public Life, a nonprofit cultivated by the Center for American Progress, was so wowed by Warren that it co-sponsored a presidential forum in August at Warren's Saddleback Church. There, his "broader agenda" included asking Obama whether he believed that life began at conception (which Warren believes, he says, based on the Bible, not science) and to ruminate on the nature of evil. (As for Pastor Rick, he believes the Bible dictates that the US government "punish evildoers," as in Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.)
Beneath the sheep's clothing lurks a culture warrior wolf. After the Saddleback forum, he told the Wall Street Journal that the only difference between him and James Dobson was that of "tone." After insisting that his agenda was "broad," and holding himself out as an impartial arbiter of the forum, he declared that voting for a "Holocaust denier" (i.e., someone who is pro-choice) is a "deal-breaker" for many evangelicals. Obama was pressured to talk about "abortion reduction," but Warren likens such rhetoric likening it to Schindler's List: an attempt to save some lives but not end a "holocaust."
In the world of the "broader agenda" evangelicals, when liberals advocate for gay marriage, they're stoking the culture wars; when a "broader agenda" evangelical crusades against it, he's merely upholding biblical standards. In that tradition, Warren in October implored his followers to vote for Proposition 8 because "there are about 2 percent of Americans are homosexual, gay, lesbian people. We should not let 2 percent of the population...change a definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and every single religion for 5,000 years." Warren called opposition to gay marriage a "humanitarian issue" because "God created marriage for the purpose of family, love and procreation."
Warren, a creationist, believes that homosexuality disproves evolution; he told CNN's Larry King in 2005, "If Darwin was right, which is survival of the fittest then homosexuality would be a recessive gene because it doesn't reproduce and you would think that over thousands of years that homosexuality would work itself out of the gene pool."
Warren protests that he's not a homophobe; it's just that two dudes marrying, in his mind, is indistinguishable from an adult marrying a child, a brother marrying his sister, or polygamy. He thinks his AIDS relief efforts represent an elevated form of Christianity over those non-evangelical do-gooders whom he compares to "Marxists" because they're more interested in good works than salvation. The rejection of the "social justice" gospel in favor of the salvation-focused evangelicalism that has come to dominate the definition of "Christian" lies at the heart of the religious right agenda to marginalize liberalism and harness its political power.
Warren represents the absolute worst of the Democrats' religious outreach, a right-winger masquerading as a do-gooder anointed as the arbiter of what it means to be faithful. Obama's religious outreach was intended, supposedly, to make religious voters more comfortable with him and feel included in the Democratic Party. But that outreach now has come at the expense of other people's comfort and inclusion, at an event meant to mark a turning point away from divisive politics.
Sarah Posner writes "The FundamentaList," a weekly roundup of news from the religious right, for The American Prospect Online and is the author God's Profits (PoliPoint).
Sounds like my kind of preacher!
He is one of those phony TV - God wants you to be rich pastor, tv huckster and author phony. Anyone who supports baby killer politicians is not a real Christian. I am sure the people at his church will keep following this guy like zombies.
Obama probably told Warren he will get Oprah to plug his next book. Maybe a Joel Osteen like tome about how God wants you to be really rich (like Joel Osteen and his trophy wife who screams at stewardesses).
Warren is not alone. The Catholic church supported ACORN< La Raza and other illegal alien groups who support killing babies too.
What are you doing reading The Nation?
What’s the Matter With Rick Warren?
Too much pasta, not enough exercise. That’s my guess.
The sodomites will NEVER be happy no matter what they say. I am sick and tired of them trying to shove their filthy lifestyle down my throat. Give them marriage then give polygamists plural marriage too. Give the sodomites marriage then give the mother/son, father/daughter, brother/sister marriages too
The fact that the left think they are the tolerant ones is hysterical. Any viewpoint that is not in line with far-leftwing politics is treated as hate speech.
East/West coast liberals continue to amaze me with their ignorance about how the overwhelming majority of the country’s Democrats feel about homosexual marriage.
I was at a wedding over the summer and two gay guys I know were in attendance (BTW - wedding was for a man and a woman).
They were apoplectic “How can you be for McCain? He’s against US!”
They had no idea that Obama had the same position.
I've been asking myself that question for awhile now!
Whom is this 'progressive minister' supposed to be? Someone who gets you to church and tells you that God loves you just the way you are and oh, by the way, don't worry about those little sin things ... they just get in the way of doing what you want and having a good time ... and don't forget to leave a check or your Visa number on the way out.
“Too much pasta, not enough exercise.” I plead guilty of both.
Maybe Rick Warren fancies himself the new Billy Graham - transcending party and politics.
I don’t really know enough about him to make an informed decision but for now, let’s just say I’m suspicious.
Thank-you. Why in the world people would want to read only that with which they agree is beyond me.
Say what you want about the guy but I like that much.
Obama can't lose on this. If the faggots yap too much, he can, "sorry Rick." If the "religious right" yaps too much, he can tell the homos, "you know i love you."
Well well well, I guess the democrats have been out of power so long they forget...All politicians say whatever they want to GET elected, then do whatever they want when the ARE elected. Welcome to the club! Who are ya gonna whine at now???? NO Bush to bash, and NOONE to blame but YOUR messiah!
OBAMA’s Fault (my first one!)
Between this and the announcement of additional troops in Afghanistan, DU is going nuts - and that may be an understatement!
I’m pissed from my personal point-of-view............but if it pissed off the libtards....................HOW SWEET IT IS!!!!!!!!
I like Rick Warren very much. I think RW should say that he wishes Obama the best, but that he cannot endorse (via swearing-in) a President who supports executing unborn children.
It’s a case of damned if you do damned if you don’t.
If Warren accpets then someone will bitch about his lack of principles and willingness to consort with the devil.
If he refuses, then he loses any opportunity to have a positive influence.
Rick Warren should use his invocation to pray for Obama’s conversion, for all anti-life laws in America to be reversed, and for the 50 millions babies killed during the Roe v. Wade regime in thso country. He also should pray for the “mothers” who had committed these murders to come to repentance.
Associating with tax collectors and sinners? Oh my!
Also stay away from any church that has a fence and gate to keep people out.
I’m ashamed of my fellow catholics for voting for obama`by like 60%
Rick Warren will pray for “social justice”, “eracism”, and “the power of positive thinking”!
My reply was grammatically incorrect. Here’s the corrected version: âhaving supper and being friends with people who endorse objectively sinful practices (like legal abortion) are not the same as officially endorsing those people. If Obama were exactly the same person, but supported the KKK, Rick Warren would not be swearing-in Obama.â
Why? Because I posted an article from The Nation? Should we just post Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Steyn articles here and ignore everything else? What do we learn from being spoon-fed only happy talk?
Don't even try to argue in favor of this guy over there.
DUmmieland has been having a collective temper tantrum for days over Rick Warren. I would like to think that we (some day) would have NOTHING in common with DU.
At first, and as a pro-lifer, I guess I was a little disappointed that Warren would accept. I’ve since let some of the “Jesus broke bread with whores and taxcollectors” crowd work their way into my system. I guess that I have to agree with that.
It’s also helped that Warren has used the “celebrity” of the event to clarify his position on the issues; he hasn’t seemed to sway the other way. I’m certain he will annoy the hell out of the godless horde on January 20th.
Probably best of all, is Warren’s position on homosexuality and that fact that he has received so much flak from the radical lefties. His position is pretty much exactly that of the President-elect ~ or so Barack stated during the campaign.
I admit, I haven’t been all that impressed with Warren in the past, maybe he wants to try and grab the mantle of Billy Graham. That seems unlikely to me. Warren will do bettern than Al Sharpton, Jeremiah Wright or Father Flagler.
I have been praying that godly men and women will be able to influence Obama. If he willing to listen to Rick Warren, so much the better.
Democrats gone too far? Well, that would be a first, wouldn’t it?
I can’t understand why he is doing the gig for Obama. If I were in his congregation, I would tell him that I’m finding a new church home because Warren is promoting abortion by supporting Obama.
A grave sin in Catholic the viewpoint.
I think Warren just wanted to be the only evangelical Christian in a crowd of 2 million people.
I agree with his stance on gays. He’s right, but I am suspicious of his love of publicity. I don’t like the slick, smiling, tv preachers. They seem slimy and insincere. Billy Graham never portrayed this type of money grubing image and didn’t seem to relish the publicity. He is a humble man. The Graham’s want nothing to do with Obama, but said they would pray for him. Warren is loving the attention and reminds me of Dr. Phil. I don’t see how any Christian minister could support someone that attended the church of Rev. Wright which is about as far from being a Christian church as you can get.
Zero's proved that he is willing to PO at least some of the people who elected him, his choices for secretaries of State and Defense didn't please the far left. The clown's not even in office yet, and there are already major splinters starting with his adoring masses. We need to exploit them as they arise. Writing letters to websites decrying the presence of Warren is a good way to let the moonbats think they're right about this!
We love trashing people, don’t we. We live for it. Kick ‘em when they’re up; kick ‘em when they’re down. Hate people, judge people, etc. Except we only judge famous people — God doesn’t discourage that, does He?
Rick Warren knows Obama worked to protect the murderous killing method known as induced labor abortion. [If you need to have that explained, I’ll give the explanation of the heinous act and his legislative work to protect it.] Such service to demonic works is the mark of a wicked man. If Rick Warren cannot spiritually discwern such a twisted wickedness he is no longer or never was ‘in the Spirit’. And if anyone were to confront Warren with this reality, he would make excuses for his behavior, which would further nail down his spiritual disaster.
You are right. He just can’t give up the publicity. This is a huge problem in our society now. People will knowingly do the wrong thing and not stand up for what is lawful and good in order to get adoration from the public and the press.
I sent an anathema message.
You may very well be right.