I am currently teaching a course on church history to Chinese students, and we are currently in the 13th and 14th centuries. We are at the time of the Lollards in Germany and England, and John Wycliffe. We started with heavy documentation from the first three centuries dealing with Christianity in Antioch to Carthage to the south, and Antioch to Spain on the north of the Med.
What we do discover is that there is a lot of revisionist history from the Roman Church, especially from the time of Augustine. Everything must be made to appear to have an origin in what was created after Nicea (325 AD)
And we also notice that not one passage of Scripture quoted in the posted article says anything about a world-wide earthly religious institution based in the city of Rome.
“Fun” indeed, and we do not feel “crushed” at all, because we know how to read and research. The author agrees that others than members of the RCC institution have been brought to Christ, and that means that they (we)also have the Holy Spirit to guide us.
What is really amazing is how that the “Catholics” admire the “Protestants” (of course, there are millions of Christians who have never been either one) for their attention to Bible reading and study, when several of their own councils had put a ban on personal Bible reading.
But since their is so much revisionism out there (second to the “Catholic” institution, the greatest of the historical revisers for their own benefit are probably what are known as “Landmark Baptists”), it is a wonderful thing that genuine Christianity doesn't depend on historical data written by men for a foundation or Final Authority.
I apologise! I didn’t catch the word “Causus” in the beginning of the title. Please forgive. No more posts from me on this thread. Catholic friends have at it, and I will just read.
Mark to read later.
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This article is not at all up to your usual standards, G. In all honesty, its a pretty obvious piece of simplistic revisionism. I often wonder why some Romans, like the author of this piece, feel compelled to write this sort of spin when the real history of The Church will do even more for their position save when it comes to their notions of Petrine Supremacy.
You obviously took a lot of time to write this and I commend you for your effort. My biggest problem with your work is the sarcastic tone in which you present it. It does not appear to me that you are trying to win anyone to the Lord so much as trying to prove that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Are you trying to win me to the Lord or to your point of view?
Your title “Catholics have more fun than Protestants” brings back memories of many offenses I received as a young boy from young Catholic grade school students.
I had hardly knew any Romans Catholics until they finished the 6th grade and started to attend the public schools.
They could out curse, especially using the G.d. and J.C. words, more vocally and louder that I had ever heard. Their parents had no problem in owning the local “beer Joints” and the liquor stores; and or the special “night clubs.”
But they never shared or mentioned God, nor our Savior in a respected manner.
This continued on through high school, college and in
military service! They seemed to carry a life message; “You can live in sin, enjoy the pleasure of sin, then just confess it. Then go out and do it again!
This seemed to me their way of having more fun!
Unfortunately, the contemporary Catholic Church doesn’t seem to agree with the early church on the issue of Biblical inerrancy and creation in six days. And ironically, non-literalists who turn to the church fathers are just as devastated as Protestants in learning what the fathers believed.
Thanks for this post!
I always wonder about how without the authority of the Church could one be satisfied with the books in the Bible.
Since there are so many contemporary books written at the same time how can one be sure? Like the Gospel of Peter, the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Judas or the Gospel of Nicodemus? And what if they dig up a new book? How can you be sure that it SHOULDN’T be in the Bible.
Unless you trust the authority of the people who made the original decision as to what to include or not include I think it would be difficult to be sure.
If Protestants were correct??? You can't even quote the verse correctly...What do you mean if Protestants are correct???
Jesus promised that not even the powers of hell could prevail against His church (Mt 16:17)
That's not what the verse says...How can you attribute authority to your religion when you pervert the verse, and then make up a meaning for it???
The First Ecumenical Council; The First Council of Nice, Canon VI, 325 AD
Let the ancient customs in Egypt, Libya and Pentapolis prevail, that the Bishop of Alexandria have jurisdiction in all these, since the like is customary for the Bishop of Rome also. Likewise in Antioch and the other provinces, let the Churches retain their privileges. And this is to be universally understood, that if any one be made bishop without the consent of the Metropolitan, the great Synod has declared that such a man ought not to be a bishop. If, however, two or three bishops shall from natural love of contradiction, oppose the common suffrage of the rest, it being reasonable and in accordance with the ecclesiastical law, then let the choice of the majority prevail.
Catholics hate going to church, they hafta have fun somewhere....
Wow! Lots of good links there. Thank you.
If one is honest with oneself, then there isn't a problem with what the Reformers thought and the early church fathers. The early church fathers believed in sola scripture-many of them quoted directly from the scriptures, not from each other. After all, it was the early church fathers who determined what was inspirational writings and what wasn't. Their reasoning for creation of the Bible was simply because they recognized the decay of man.
Thanks for all the links.
If Tyndale was executed for denying the existence of Purgatory, he was in the right, and the Church was in error.
When Jesus died on the cross, he cried out, “It is finished!” This is what was written on a bill when a debt was paid in full. That’s the GOOD news. In God’s sight those who believe are forgiven for every sin they ever committed or ever will commit. Jesus purchased our pardon with His blood. Read the Epistles. Paul was not writing to the dead when he called the believers, “saints”. “These things I have written to you who believe in the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.” I John 5:13