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The War of Gog and Magog
RaptureReady.com ^ | Not Given | Joseph Chambers

Posted on 01/11/2009 11:49:33 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta

As the greatest supernatural intervention of human history -- a defense right out of heaven above -- Israel's God is going to reveal Himself. When this Divine display is finished, the Muslim religion will be stripped of all its glory. It will no doubt cause great anger among the hard core Muslims that escape death but a turning to Jesus Christ of those honest individuals that see the glory of our Eternal God. The Muslim religion is a farce when it is seen for what it really represents. Already millions of former Muslims have turned to Christ and the harvest has barely begun. One Saudi sheikh says in disgust that six million Muslims are converting to Christ yearly.

This coming war will serve as the eternal design of Bible prophecy. Men may well look at such a catastrophic devastation as cruel and beyond the acts of a Holy God, but this expression of wrath has been building for many centuries. It will include judgments against many vile and Godless acts of terror, great hatred manifest against the Jewish people, and hatred toward God Himself. Germany will receive her final judgment for the Holocaust and Russia will be judged for her atheistic hatred against her own people, as well as against Israelis and Christians. The Muslim religion will answer for centuries of vileness and defiance against the true and living God. The catastrophic level of God's wrath will be in the exact proportion to the wicked history of the nations involved.

This war could not occur until the nation of Israel was back in a portion of the Promise Land. There is not enough military might in the entire armies of the world to change God's promises. Israel is already a rich nation and is becoming richer every day. Their military is without parallel. They have discovered massive reserves of oil and eventually that discovery will be greater than all the Arab nations combined. How do we know that their oil deposits will be the world's greatest? The Promise Land and her treasures were ordained to flow as "milk and honey."

There are several promises for the discovery of oil by the Jewish people. God said, "For the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath…for they shall suck of the abundance of the seas, and of treasures hid in the sand…and let him dip his foot in oil" (Deuteronomy 33:13, 19, and 24). Someone can argue whether "the deep that coucheth beneath, treasures hid in the sand" or "dip his foot in oil" means oil deposits; but if we take these words literally, they are indeed powerful.

It is important that we know the Biblical reason for the War of Gog and Magog. It is Israel's riches and abundance that Russia covets. We know why the Muslims want to eliminate Israel, but Russia and much of her coalition forces want the treasures and wealth. If you study the unbelievable agricultural success, the technological brilliance, the military capabilities, and then add the possibility of billions of barrels of black gold, you will understand that Russia can see nothing but worldwide wealth and dominance.

One of their top politicians and advocates of this war to the south has left no room for guessing. Here are the words of Vladimir Volfovich Zhirinovsky, a strategic ally of Putin:

The mighty God of our Bible has allowed enough of His extension of grace. It's time for judgment and it's time to make all His glory visible to the human family. Listen to God's promise of intervention. "And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them? And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face" (Ezekiel 38:16-18).

I pray that America will be there to help in this hour, but we will not be needed. I actually believe, contrary to many, that we will be faithful to Israel to the end. That will be the reason God honors America as a sheep nation in Matthew chapter twenty-five. Regardless, this will end the worldwide threat from Muslim terrorists and will sweep the Temple Mount in Jerusalem of every semblance of the false sun-god, named Allah.

Unnamed pestilences and blood will rain on the army of millions. The rain will be overflowing and mixed with hailstones, fire, and brimstones. It will be massive and will actually fall from Heaven in such a manner that no one will doubt that it is God Himself that fights for Israel. The Bible is careful to state that the slaughter of this mob of wicked people extends back to their staging countries and capital cities. "And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD. So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel" (Ezekiel 39:6-7).

Magog represents the Russian capital of Moscow and this Scripture includes the other nations which join this coalition. The judgment will leave no doubt about God's rejection of the Muslim Koran and religion. The world is trying to convince us that the Muslim god is identical to our Heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. This lie will die with Gog and Magog in the mountains of Israel and in the nations that join this end time war.

The glory of God will be manifest and the world will know. Out of this massive judgment will be a mighty visitation of Holy Ghost awakening. Joel settled the utter destruction of the Northern horde and promised the Latter Rain of God's Spirit. He said by the Holy Spirit, "But I will remove far off from you the northern army… Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things" (Joel 2:20a, 21). He added the Latter Rain promise two verses later, "He will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month" (Joel 2:23b). The first month is the Feast of Trumpets, the next unfulfilled feast of Israel. It is also a Jewish type for the coming Rapture of Christ's Bride.

We are living in the golden age of the prophetic finishing of all things. Keep your eyes on the Holy Scripture and your heart in total surrender to the Lordship of our Savior and Captain, Jesus Christ.


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1 posted on 01/11/2009 11:49:33 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: mountn man

ping


2 posted on 01/11/2009 11:50:46 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

If Russia and her allies invade and are supernaturally destroyed, I’m packing it in and spending the rest of my days preaching.

Any idiot who sees that happen and doesn’t believe in God, they’re already meat for the Beast. I’ll do what I can, but I am not going to allow myself to be left behind. I I do step away, it’s because I don’t want to go to heaven without knowing that those close to me are going too.


3 posted on 01/11/2009 12:04:29 PM PST by Niuhuru (Fine, here's my gun, but let me give you the bullets first. I'll send them to you through the barrel)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
When Christ revels Himself there are going to be more than the Muslims naked. Christ said let no man deceive you and that there would be many coming in His name deceiving ... not in a Muslim name.

By the way when in the Bible record was any ticketed out of this earth to escape tribulation.

4 posted on 01/11/2009 12:04:48 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
I remember Morg and I-Morg.
5 posted on 01/11/2009 12:05:21 PM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Niuhuru
If Russia and her allies invade and are supernaturally destroyed, I’m packing it in and spending the rest of my days preaching.

If you know Christ, you most probably will not be here to see it firsthand.

6 posted on 01/11/2009 12:08:06 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Vaquero

I am the Trekker’s Trekker,, and I refuse any knowledge of THAT EPISODE


7 posted on 01/11/2009 12:08:40 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's "1984" .. to Conservatives- a WARNING, to Liberals - a TEXTBOOK)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

What do you mean? I thought the Rapture happened afterwards.


8 posted on 01/11/2009 12:09:38 PM PST by Niuhuru (Fine, here's my gun, but let me give you the bullets first. I'll send them to you through the barrel)
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To: Just mythoughts
By the way when in the Bible record was any ticketed out of this earth to escape tribulation.

No one escapes tribulation in a fallen world, but God does promise to get those who know Him as Savior off the scene before He sends judgment.

9 posted on 01/11/2009 12:10:36 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: gwilhelm56

Please the space hippies was far worse.....goin back to eden, yeah brother.


10 posted on 01/11/2009 12:13:30 PM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Niuhuru

There are those who believe that Christians will go through the judgment God has for those who refuse to accept His gift of salvation, but I believe, based on Scripture and God’s track record, that those who know Christ will be taken out before the wrath falls.


11 posted on 01/11/2009 12:14:36 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I thought the rapture was after the attack on Israel.

If I had the chance, I’d prefer to stay behind and do what I can to get as many in the fold as possible. Since the time line is pretty much set up, after three and a half years I’d been in Petra with my fellow converts partying like mad waiting for Christ to appear.

Don’t get me wrong I’d work too, but I’d still kick back and happily wait to meet Christ. I would spend free time writing questions to ask.


12 posted on 01/11/2009 12:17:41 PM PST by Niuhuru (Fine, here's my gun, but let me give you the bullets first. I'll send them to you through the barrel)
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To: mitch5501

PING PING PING


13 posted on 01/11/2009 12:20:21 PM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: Niuhuru
I thought the rapture was after the attack on Israel.

We very well could be here for the attack on Israel- no one seems to be able to pinpoint when that will occur because there is nothing in Scripture that gives any clue about the timing.

I would spend free time writing questions to ask.

(Smile). I figure after the few centuries it will take me to get used to my new environment, I may be able to remember what I've always wanted to ask. Maybe I'll have a sharper memory by then.

14 posted on 01/11/2009 12:25:53 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The War of Gog and Magog

None will understand this until they study the Standard Works of The Church of Jesus Christ which connects the dots from the beganning of existance down to this day and age that we live.

But like so many who have proven they love to “Kick against the prick!”

It’s reminds me of those “Who would Cut off ones nose to spite their face!”

One does not have to be LDS to read these things, nor will those who hearts are harden be able to receive understanding of what is on the written page!


15 posted on 01/11/2009 12:30:00 PM PST by restornu (Gardeners have roots and Cowboys have boots!: smile)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The rapture happens before the Tribulation period, not after. This war in Gaza is not Armageddon. But I’m sure, by all of the protests, that it will make it easier in the future for other nations to gather against Israel after the rapture. Things look like they are headed that way.


16 posted on 01/11/2009 12:31:20 PM PST by kingpins9
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To: Niuhuru

The war of Ezekial (armies invading Israel, supernatural intevention; fire and brimstone, etc.) is before any rapture. The battle of Armegeddon is after a rapture. This is very clear in scripture.


17 posted on 01/11/2009 12:33:01 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: gwilhelm56; Vaquero

LOL!

Jim, there’s no mind!


18 posted on 01/11/2009 12:33:30 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: Niuhuru
>"Any idiot who sees that happen and doesn’t believe in God, they’re already meat for the Beast."

What about the Jews in Moses's time? He actually FED them from heaven.

Don't doubt our stupidity.

19 posted on 01/11/2009 12:34:56 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Proud non productive worker under directive 10-289)
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To: Vaquero

**..goin back to eden, yeah brother.**

That episode FIT the time frame of History. It showed just how LOONY the LOONY LEFT was going to become??

As I sharpened my crayons to write to the Network to demand the 3rd season, I believe I may have been incorrect in that judgement. So to make up for that, I’m working with the “STAR TREK PHASE II” group (Star Trek New Voyages) which as turned out some work even better than the original.


20 posted on 01/11/2009 12:35:51 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's "1984" .. to Conservatives- a WARNING, to Liberals - a TEXTBOOK)
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To: kingpins9
The rapture happens before the Tribulation period, not after

Yes, I absolutely am a pre-Tribulation-Rapture believer. I think this present war in Gaza is serving to further cause the nations of the world to turn against Israel and to crystallize, so to speak, which nations will stand with Israel and which nations will not.

But I’m sure, by all of the protests, that it will make it easier in the future for other nations to gather against Israel after the rapture.

Bingo.

21 posted on 01/11/2009 12:39:57 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: PleaseNoMore

That’s what I thought.


22 posted on 01/11/2009 12:42:52 PM PST by Niuhuru (Fine, here's my gun, but let me give you the bullets first. I'll send them to you through the barrel)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I don’t even doubt mine! :)


23 posted on 01/11/2009 12:43:46 PM PST by Niuhuru (Fine, here's my gun, but let me give you the bullets first. I'll send them to you through the barrel)
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To: restornu
One does not have to be LDS to read these things, nor will those who hearts are harden be able to receive understanding of what is on the written page!

That is very true.

24 posted on 01/11/2009 12:44:52 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: gwilhelm56

the best Star Trek TV of the past 20 years was Enterprise. My favorites being ‘Carbon Creek’ and the 2 part ‘Through a Mirror Darkly’ the Andorians being the best newly rediscovered alien race most notably ‘Shran’.

though what I am really chompin on the bit to see the new Movie...if it wasn’t for the damn writers strike it would have been out on Christmas. Now I must wait till May.


25 posted on 01/11/2009 12:50:23 PM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“Their military is without parallel.”

Somebody’s been smoking something illegal.


26 posted on 01/11/2009 12:50:55 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
I don't think scripture supports that the Gog/Magog war is anytime soon. The one reference in the NT is:

Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.

However, this occurs after the millenium, a thousand years after the 2nd coming of Christ:

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison

Satan is released after being bound and then the Gog/Magog war happens.

This matches up with the reference to the Gog/Magog war in Ezekiel:

Eze 38:2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

Eze 38:8 After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely.

They're dwelling safely because it's been the millennium

Eze 38:11 You will say, 'I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates'—

They're unwalled and peaceful because people have been living in peace and safety for a thousand years.

This event:

Rev 20:9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

match up with these events:

Eze 38:16 You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes

Eze 38:22 And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

27 posted on 01/11/2009 12:57:34 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
As the greatest supernatural intervention of human history -

The Incarnation, Atonement, and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ are downright trivial compared to this, right?

28 posted on 01/11/2009 1:00:37 PM PST by RJR_fan (Winners and lovers shape the future. Whiners and losers TRY TO PREDICT IT.)
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To: kingpins9

The rapture has no foundation in scripture , either pre or post...


29 posted on 01/11/2009 1:16:42 PM PST by HailReagan78
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To: kingpins9

The rapture has no foundation in scripture , either pre or post...


30 posted on 01/11/2009 1:16:47 PM PST by HailReagan78
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To: kingpins9

The rapture has no foundation in scripture , either pre or post...


31 posted on 01/11/2009 1:16:50 PM PST by HailReagan78
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
One does not have to be LDS to read these things in the Standard Works, nor will those who hearts are harden be able to receive understanding of what is on the written page!

Yes this is true!:)

32 posted on 01/11/2009 1:16:56 PM PST by restornu
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To: HailReagan78

oops, sorry for the multi post LOL


33 posted on 01/11/2009 1:17:57 PM PST by HailReagan78
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To: Vaquero
Please the space hippies was far worse.....goin back to eden, yeah brother.

What a herbert you are.

34 posted on 01/11/2009 1:18:00 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your powder dry, folks)
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To: DouglasKC
They're dwelling safely because it's been the millennium

When did the millenium start??? And when does it fnish???

35 posted on 01/11/2009 1:19:45 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: DouglasKC
They're dwelling safely because it's been the millennium

When did the millenium start??? And when does it fnish???

36 posted on 01/11/2009 1:19:52 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

There are many problems associated with interpreting today’s headlines as fulfilling Revalations, as attested to by centuries of such attempts.
It ignores the admonition that “No man knows the hour or the season”.
It pretends that all of the evil is external and ignores our own sins.
Does the author really believe that the West will escape the wrath of God?


37 posted on 01/11/2009 1:35:34 PM PST by G Larry (Barack's character has been molded by extremists)
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To: DouglasKC
I believe there are several scriptural differentiations between the war described in Ezekiel vs the war described in Revelation. I have a different understanding than you, and, respectfully, disagree with your "time line", but also admit, it is a "wait and see" situation as to just who is right. Either way, we must be prepared for whatever comes. :o)

1. In the Ezekiel invasion there are several allies mentioned and they are limited in number while others stand in opposition. In the campaign of Armegeddon (discussed in Rev.) all nations are united against Israel without exception.

2. The Ezekiel invasion comes from the North. The Armageddon campaign comes from the "whole of the earth".

3. The purpose of the Ezekiel invasion is to take a spoil (Ez. 38:6). The purpose of the Armageddon campaign is to destroy the Jews.

4. There is protest against the Ezekiel invasion while there is no protest against the Armageddon campaign as all nations are involved.

5. The Ezekiel invasion is destroyed through "convulsions of nature" (hailstorms, earthquakes, etc.). The Armageddon campaign is destroyed by the personal return of Jesus Christ.

6. The Ezekiel invasion is destroyed on the mountains of Israel. The Armageddon campaign is destroyed in the area between Petra and Jerusalem.

7. The Ezekiel campaign takes place while Israel is living securely in the area. The Armageddon campaign takes place while Israel is in flight and hiding.

38 posted on 01/11/2009 1:43:39 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: freedumb2003
Gonna crack my knuckles and jump for joy, I got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy!
39 posted on 01/11/2009 1:46:52 PM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: PleaseNoMore

It is really fascinating to read Lamsa’s 1936 translation of that passage in Ezekiel. I know he is much criticized but when I happened to read it many years ago it was a jolt.


40 posted on 01/11/2009 1:56:29 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: HailReagan78

“The rapture has no foundation in scripture , either pre or post...” ~ HailReagan78

Exactly.

The Great Premillennial HOAX http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar69.htm

In 1970, Hal Lindsey came out with his monstrous best-selling book (15 million sold), “The Late Great Planet Earth.” Since then, much of Evangelical Christianity has been obsessed with the signs of the times.

From 1971 until 1986, I was an active, visible participant in the Lutheran Charismatic Movement. Since the movement was highly influenced by Pentecostal thinking, in addition to adopting the theology of the Holy Spirit, many Lutheran Charismatics also adopted the eschatology of Pentecostals. I guess you might say, “We got the Holy Spirit, feathers and all.” I adopted and also taught the Premillennial view of the end times. In fact, given the circumstances in the world, there was little doubt in my mind that this was the accurate understanding of Biblical prophecy.

May 13, 1981
The evening of May 13, 1981, was the regular meeting of the Ladies’ Guild of Bethel Lutheran Church in Howard City, Mich. As pastor of the congregation, I attended the meeting and presented a topic for discussion.

May 13, 1981, was a very special evening for prophecy buffs. It could very well have been the last night that Christians would spend upon this earth. For if everything being said by the modern-day experts in Biblical prophecy was true, May 14 was the day of “the Rapture.”

As the pastor, I felt it was my responsibility to share the why and wherefore of this momentous event with these women. Being good, traditional, Lutheran laypeople, they knew very little, if anything, about Biblical prophecy. It was my task to warn them of the event that might transpire within the next 24 hours.

By sharing this story with you, I hope to impart the essence of Premillennial thinking.

The Generation of the Fig Tree
The Biblical scenario I presented to these unsuspecting women, proving that the rapture would take place the next day, began with an interpretation of Matt. 24:32-34. Jesus said:

Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

What generation was Jesus talking about? Many scholars believed that it was the generation of the people that Jesus was addressing and that the events He was predicting were not the end of the world, but rather the destruction of Jerusalem. In fact, within 40 years, Jerusalem would be utterly destroyed.

While that is all well and good, there was another way of looking at these words of Jesus - a way that caused these predictions to become very real in the here and now.

From the notes in my Scofield Bible, I knew there would be a future restoration of Israel in the land. In Ez. 34:13, the prophet predicted that God would gather the Jews from the nations and bring them into their own land. Writing his notes in 1908, Scofield stated that this referred to a future restoration of the nation of Israel, or, as some perceived it, the budding of the fig tree. In the Old Testament, the nation of Israel was referred to as a fig tree. In Matt. 21:19, Jesus cursed the fig tree because it had no fruit. This was perceived as a rejection of Israel.

Well, on May 14, 1948, the fig tree budded. Israel became a nation as a result of a United Nations declaration. This date was vital to all Biblical prophecy experts. Israel was in the land. The countdown to the end had begun. We were indeed the generation of the fig tree. It was this generation that would see the end of all things. Since a generation was 40 years, the end would be in 1988.

Those who taught this view also taught, from Scripture, that before the end of all things, there would be a tribulation period of seven years according to the prophecies of Daniel. Rev. 7:14 speaks of the Great Tribulation. During those seven years, the anti-Christ would arise. He would be a political figure and, according to Dan. 7:24-25, he would be given authority by ten kings. Since the European Common market was forming and nearly ten nations had already come together, the time of the anti-Christ was soon upon us.

Other signs of the rise of the anti-Christ were obvious. Given the fact that scanning devices were beginning to become evident in grocery stores, could the “mark of the beast” be far behind? We would soon be in the position of having to make a choice when the government brands us with a mark on the right hand or forehead, without which we would not be able to buy or sell, according to Revelation 13.

In addition, Ezekiel 38 and 39 warned about the invasion of Israel by “Gog and Magog.” According to the notes in my Scofield Bible, this referred to a time when Israel was in the land and Russia, advancing from the north, would invade them. The politics at that time allowed for this to be a very real possibility. The book of Ezekiel stated that God will destroy the Russian army and the buzzards would eat their flesh. A tract was being circulated that claimed the buzzards were laying twice as many eggs in Israel in order to have enough troops to eat the Russians. (I often wondered how they knew this.)

In 1967, the armies of Israel had captured the old city of Jerusalem, including temple mount. According to Ezekiel 40ff., the millennial temple was to be built. Everything was in order. An interesting rumor circulated that the stones for the temple were already carved out of Bedford, Ind., limestone and were hidden in caves. Other rumors stated that the Ark of the Covenant had been discovered under the temple site and that plans to rebuild were underway.

It was happening!
In 1978, I led my first trip to the land of Israel. There were four groups of Lutheran Charismatics taking the trip. I led one of the groups. The purpose of the trip was to attend a “Prophecy Conference” in Jerusalem, led by Derek Prince. Since so much of my thinking had been influenced by the popular Premillennial prophetic notions of the day, it was an exciting trip. Things were happening in the land. The people were restored. God seemed to be on their side as they went to battle against the enemies who surrounded them.

Prince spoke on the subject of parallel restorations, comparing the events in Israel with the events marking the growth of the Charismatic Movement. In 1948, when Israel became a nation, both the Billy Graham crusades and the Latter Rain Movement (early roots of the Charismatic Movement) started. In 1967, when Israel took the old city of Jerusalem, the Holy Spirit was poured out upon Roman Catholics at Notre Dame. In 1971, the Yom Kippur war broke out in Israel while the Holy Spirit moved mightily on the different denominations. For one participating in these events, these connections were obvious.

What was happening at the Dead Sea was very interesting. Zechariah 14 spoke of the return of the Messiah to the Mount of Olives, causing a great earthquake that would split the mount in two. Living water would flow from temple mount.

This stream of living water coming out of temple mount would flow to the Dead Sea and, according to Ezekiel (47:8ff):

This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, where it enters the Sea. When it empties into the Sea, the water there becomes fresh. Swarms of living creatures will live wherever the river flows. There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh so where the river flows everything will live. Fishermen will stand along the shore from En Gedi to En Eglaim there will be places for spreading nets. The fish will be of many kinds - like the fish of the Great Sea. But the swamps and marshes will not become fresh they will be left for salt.

Well, parts of this prophecy were already in place. The Dead Sea had been divided due to the lack of water flowing down from the Sea of Galilee. The fresh water from the Galilee was being pumped into the desert so that the “desert was blooming,” as Is. 35:1-2 stated.

This lack of water to the Dead Sea divided the sea. As Ezekiel predicted, a portion would be left for salt after the rest of the Sea had been sweetened with the living water pouring out of temple mount. We even took a dip in the Dead Sea at En Gedi, rejoicing that one day this would be sweet water after Jesus returned. In fact, our guide, who catered to end-of-the-world-minded Christians, showed us fish ponds near the northern-most part of the Dead Sea which, according to his explanation, were being prepared for the time when the Dead Sea would be sweetened.

Back to May 13, 1981
A very important ingredient in the Premillennial scenario was “the rapture.” Christians would not pass through the great seven-year tribulation. They would be taken out or snatched away and be with the Lord. In Matt. 24:38-41, Jesus spoke of one being taken and one being left. Also, 1 Thess. 4:17 “clearly” spoke of the Rapture:

After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

The Rapture of the church was imminent. Hal Lindsey had stated that it was the next event in the prophetic scenario. I had a bumper sticker that read, “In case of rapture, this car will self-destruct.” My favorite song was “The King Is Coming.” According to the Premillennial scenario, the end of all things would be in 1988, or 40 years after Israel occupied in the land and the “fig tree blossoms.” If you deduct seven years for the Tribulation, this means that on May 14, 1981, the rapture of the Church would take place. Therefore, this was a very exciting evening to be alive!

I shared every detail with the women of the Bethel Lutheran Church Ladies’ Guild. After my presentation, one little elderly woman said, “Reverend, why are you scaring us?”

Well, May 14, 1988, came and went, and nothing happened. In fact, 1988 came and went and nothing happened. Since that time, the Soviet Union has disbanded. The European Common Market now includes far more than ten members and Israel is giving land back to the Palestinians. When the events did not pan out, some prophecy “experts” redated the blooming of the fig tree to 1967, when Israel occupied the old city of Jerusalem. This would put the time of the end in the year 2007 and the “rapture” in the year 2000. The Y2K scare also fueled the notion that this would be the start of the tribulation. Again, it didn’t happen.

Having bought into this Premillennial way of thinking and living with great expectations that came to absolutely nothing brought me to the conclusion that this theology is the greatest hoax ever visited upon unsuspecting Christians. The hoax lives on. Despite of unfulfilled predictions, the thinking persists.

The Roots of the System
I embraced the Premillennial Dispensational way of thinking because it appeared to be the most reasonable explanation of the events that were occurring. It is the primary end-time position taught within much of modern Evangelical Christianity, even though all the predictions that have arisen as a result of this view have come to naught. What is the source of this teaching? How did it arise?

In 1832, Edward Irving (1792-1834) established the Catholic Apostolic Church and taught the imminent return of Jesus Christ. Irving believed there had to be a reestablishment of the 12 apostles before Jesus would return. He appointed these 12 apostles. Of course, one by one, they eventually died and Jesus never returned. John Nelson Darby, who founded the Plymouth Brethren in 1847 in England and Ireland, spearheaded the dispensational interpretation of the Bible. He was widely influenced by Edward Irving. Darby taught that Biblical history is divided into seven “dispensations” or periods of time. The final dispensation would be the 1000-year millennial reign of Christ on earth. An important key to understanding Dispensationalism is the notion that God will reestablish an earthly kingdom with the nation of Israel. For this reason, the events in Israel are of vital importance for the Premillennial Dispensationalist. Before the coming of Jesus, the temple would be rebuilt and the sacrificial system reinstated.

Because this kingdom was offered and then refused by the Jews, it would be offered again in the future. By crucifying Jesus, the Jews rejected the kingdom, but God did not reject Israel. As an after-thought or a parenthesis, Christ then went on to establish the church because Gentiles now believed what the Jews rejected. This is the “Church Age” spoken of by Dispensationalists and it must end before God can re-establish His primary work with the Jews. The church age ends with the rapture. Darby’s Dispensational ideas caught on like wildfire in America, and were widely spread by the Scofield Reference Bible. Scofield, a layman, having studied Biblical prophecy for 30 years, added notes to the text of Scripture promoting Darby¹s Dispensational theology. Many Christians today regard Scofield’s notes as being equally inspired as the Bible itself.

Apparently, however, neither Darby nor Scofield originated the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture. Darby was inspired by a woman named Margaret MacDonald who reported a revelation given to her by God during a healing service in Port Glasgow, Scotland, in 1830. MacDonald reported that in her vision, there was a two-stage process to the Second Coming of Christ. The first stage, the rapture, removed the church from this world. Christians would be caught up before the great tribulation and be taken to heaven. After the tribulation, Jesus would return to earth and establish His millennial kingdom. These ideas were embraced by Darby, promoted by Scofield and developed more fully in many of the Bible schools like Moody, Fuller and especially Dallas Theological Seminary during the 20th century in the United States. Many of the more fanatical proponents of the premillennial view are graduates of Dallas Theological Seminary.

Bad Theology
This theological system is replete with errors.

1. The present-day nation of Israel is no more involved in God’s plans for the future than is France, England, Germany, the United States, etc. The teaching of the New Testament is very clear - Jesus fulfilled everything pertaining to Israel and formed the New Israel, His church. It is an abomination to claim that the church is merely a parenthesis or an afterthought in the divine scheme of redemption. In fact, the Bible clearly states that the plans of God and the wisdom of God will be revealed in His church (Eph. 3:8-11).

2. Much of the “tribulation prophecy” in the Old Testament prophets, the Olivet discourses of our Lord Jesus, and the Book of Revelation was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. When Jesus said in Matt. 24:32-34 that “this generation will not pass away,” He was not referring to some future generation that would see the political nation of Israel established by the United Nations. He was referring to the generation alive at the time He spoke the words. His words were fulfilled. In 70 A.D. Jerusalem was utterly destroyed. In fact, there is a view of Biblical prophecy called Preterism. Those who hold the view claim that all futuristic prophecy was fulfilled in the First Century.

3. The teaching of two “second comings” of Jesus is not Biblical. As the Apostles’ Creed simply states, “From thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead.” On the mount of Ascension the angels told the disciples that He would come again in the same way they saw Him depart into heaven. Nowhere does the Bible teach two “second comings.” The language of 1 Thess. 4:17 does not allow for the “rapture” teaching. The phrase “to meet the Lord” literally means “to meet for the purpose of welcoming back.” The Greek phrase “to meet” ( eis apanthsin) is only used on four occasions in the New Testament. In each case it means to go out to meet for the purpose of welcoming. (See, for example, Acts 28:15.)

Conclusion
Premillennial Dispensationalism is a deceptive teaching. Those who promote these views and fill the minds of God’s people with this nonsense are perpetrating a hoax.

Jesus is coming again. This is our glorious hope. Jesus told us to be about the business of preaching and teaching His Gospel and not speculate about His second coming. Those who believe in Jesus and trust His blood and righteousness for their salvation are prepared for His coming. “Even so, come Lord Jesus!”


41 posted on 01/11/2009 2:08:00 PM PST by Matchett-PI ("Every free act transcends matter, which is why any form of materialism is anti-liberty" - Gagdad)
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To: G Larry
No one knows the day nor the hour, but in giving some signs of the end of this age, Christ did say:

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Matthew 24: 33, 34, 36)

So while we cannot know the exact hour that He will return, we have been given signs that will occur right before He does return and we will know when it is near by the fact that the signs are happening.

It is unwise to deny that the events that are occurring in the world today, all around us and in light of the fulfillment of the major prophecy of Israel becoming a nation, are indeed the signs that Christ gave us to look for before His return.

Christ also told us that when these things "begin to happen, look up, lift up your heads, for your redemption draws nigh". These things are now happening, and Christians are not only expecting the imminent event known as the Rapture to occur any minute, but are telling as many people as possible so that a few might believe and be able to know Christ, have a personal relationship with Him, and escape the coming horror that will be unleashed on a wicked, unbelieving world.

42 posted on 01/11/2009 2:08:20 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The nations spoken of by Ezekiel in chapter 38 were all located in Turkey not Russia and Germany as some believe. Other then Persia (Iran), Ethiopia (kinda where Sudan is now), and Libya the other countries mentioned were in Asia Minor.

That’s not to say Russia wont be a behind the scenes supporter which I think they will be but they are not the ones doing the invasion (or attempted invasion).

JB


43 posted on 01/11/2009 2:23:59 PM PST by thatjoeguy (Just my thoughts)
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To: thatjoeguy
I've seen many different ideas of what nations exactly are involved in the attempted invasion of Ezekiel.

Based on my own study, here is what I believe is the breakdown:

There are certainly different theories on the countries involved, all of which could be the right one. I think one thing is for certain - we can count on most of the Islamic nations stupidly participating in this futile endeavor.

44 posted on 01/11/2009 2:41:36 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: HailReagan78

The word “rapture” is not in the Bible. But the church (new-testament believers) is not mentioned after Chapter 4 or 5 (i’d have to look again for the precise chapter #). Most Bible scholars are in agreement that the rapture happens before the 7 year tribulation period. I do believe that we will see upheaval, but not the plagues in the 7 years.


45 posted on 01/11/2009 3:12:23 PM PST by kingpins9
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

read later


46 posted on 01/11/2009 3:18:38 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Joel Rosenberg - ‘Epicenter’ - scared me to death.


47 posted on 01/11/2009 3:24:28 PM PST by mathluv ( Conservative first and foremost, republican second)
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To: Matchett-PI
We would soon be in the position of having to make a choice when the government brands us with a mark on the right hand or forehead, without which we would not be able to buy or sell, according to Revelation 13.

I've sometimes wondered if biometrics fulfills this prophecy - fingerprints and retinal scans.

Thanks for the history of the Rapture belief. I had read somewhere that the idea began in the 19th century, but never bothered to research it.

48 posted on 01/11/2009 3:28:30 PM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: mathluv
Joel Rosenberg - ‘Epicenter’ - scared me to death.

Don't be afraid - get ready. If the Rapture belief is correct (I don't believe it is), someone else can use your provisions. If it's NOT, you'll want to be able to help others.

49 posted on 01/11/2009 3:33:04 PM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: nina0113
Actually, the "rapture belief" is in 1 Corinthians 15:51, 52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16. The "idea" came from God and has been around a lot longer than the 19th century.

Anyway, speaking of the mark, I heard the other day that the plan is to have everyone micro chipped by 2017. They are already putting these things in animals, and one of the pretenses that will be used to make people accept this is to keep track of terrorists.

50 posted on 01/11/2009 3:41:57 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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