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St Mary's priest will take his flock with him (renegade priest to break with Rome)
Courier Mail ^ | January 9, 2009 | Trent Dalton

Posted on 01/13/2009 6:50:29 AM PST by NYer

MAVERICK priest Father Peter Kennedy says he will lead a breakaway congregation if Brisbane's catholic Archbishop forces him to leave St Mary's Church.

There are fears that exclusion from the historic South Brisbane property will be the final act in a long-running dispute that has reached the Vatican. The dispute has attracted national and international attention because it represents the battle between conservative and less traditional forces within the Catholic Church.

There are more Roman Catholics in Australia than any other religious group. Each week, St Mary's attracts large congregations while many more orthodox Catholic parishes struggle to fill pews. In a rare and exclusive interview, Father Kennedy said he was determined to carry on.  "The reality is that, if we are excluded from this church, the Trades and Labor Council have already offered us their place just down the road," he said. "I will continue. Our community will continue down there. We get 800 to 900 people coming every week. It's a vibrant, alive mass with people from all over the city."

St Mary's is known for its unconventional Catholic practices - allowing women to preach, blessing homosexual couples and recognising with ritual the traditional sovereignty of the indigenous people of the area. The latest round in the battle was sparked by a complaint direct to the Vatican in August from an aggrieved church-goer.

Brisbane Archbishop John Bathersby accused the parish of operating outside the accepted practices of the Roman Catholic Church and encouraged Father Kennedy to fall in line or face closure. The parishioners responded to the accusations but - in a follow-up letter to Father Kennedy, dated December 22 - Archbishop Bathersby said: "St Mary's has not yet adequately given proof of its communion with the Archdiocese of Brisbane and the Roman Catholic Church."

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TAKING the flock ... Father Peter Kennedy outside his besieged St Mary's Church in South Brisbane. Pic: Glenn Barnes
1 posted on 01/13/2009 6:50:30 AM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
The Archbishop is expected to make a definitive statement on the fate of the parish later this month. With D-day fast approaching, Father Kennedy is preparing for the worst. "We don't know what the Archbishop will do," he said.
2 posted on 01/13/2009 6:51:30 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

The word is Excommunication. Pack your bags.


3 posted on 01/13/2009 6:52:36 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: NYer

Where’s his frock?


4 posted on 01/13/2009 6:53:20 AM PST by Ken522
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To: NYer

Another priest who refuses to recognise that he isnt in charge.


5 posted on 01/13/2009 6:58:09 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Ken522

The guy has already taken it off. He has found a flock to fleece and has gone his own way.


6 posted on 01/13/2009 6:58:54 AM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: NYer
my priest tried this stuff: St Mary's is known for its unconventional Catholic practices - allowing women to preach, blessing homosexual couples ....till the Vatican called him out on it.
7 posted on 01/13/2009 7:01:33 AM PST by tioga (Let us unite in prayer for our country.)
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To: tioga

correction: my Bishop allowed this in his parishes...


8 posted on 01/13/2009 7:02:04 AM PST by tioga (Let us unite in prayer for our country.)
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To: NYer

Liberalism masquerading as religion.


9 posted on 01/13/2009 7:03:22 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
"Liberalism masquerading as religion. "

Religion masquerading as sanity.
10 posted on 01/13/2009 7:10:10 AM PST by gpk9
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To: NYer

its not a Mass, it is some form of half-@$$ed sect. It has no ties to Roman Catholicism (any longer). So move to your trades and labor council building and preach your sermons, but do not confuse this with being a Catholic Church.

Why must these leftists insist upon foisting their bizarre beliefs upon the faithful of an established religion, that rejects their perversions?


11 posted on 01/13/2009 7:15:13 AM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: NYer

This sounds just like the Corpus Christi/Spiritus Christi apostasy that occurred in the Diocese of Rochester, NY. Fr. Callan, the pastor led his parishioners to the “Church of What’s Happenin’ Now” and to their excommunications.


12 posted on 01/13/2009 7:17:14 AM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: NYer

Send him packing and those that follow this a$$hat should not be in the Catholic Church to begin with.


13 posted on 01/13/2009 7:19:12 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: NYer

I’m a baptized Catholic, 13 years of Catholic schooling, married a Catholic, baptized our children in the Catholic church, send our children to Catholic schools and I work in a Catholic school. I love the priests I’ve worked with and they struggle to grow their community as their defined demographic priest is very difficult to find.

I don’t know all the teachings of this priest but what I’ve read here doesn’t upset me.

What’s wrong with women preaching? Is that ‘liberal’ ideology? No, it’s simply a tradition of the Catholic faith and the pope is not going to break tradition.

Why can’t priests marry? Priests used to be able to marry until the church and the wives disagreed over the priest & wifes’ property when the priest died. This is a mad made rule. In fact, there is a loophole; a married protestant minister who converts to Catholicism may become an ordained priest. If the church allowed priests to marry, many good priests who’ve been excommunicated would never have left and would be still serving the good work of the Catholic church.

The convent affiliated with our school has 32 nuns left in their community with over 100 bedrooms. Most are senior citizens. Women have changed in the last 500 years in case the vatican hasn’t noticed. I don’t know what the position of the vatican is regarding the declining population of Catholic nuns worldwide. Why can’t a Catholic nun be married and be recognized? It would be mission work.


14 posted on 01/13/2009 7:43:41 AM PST by jilliane
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To: jilliane

typo...man made...not mad made...lol ....


15 posted on 01/13/2009 7:45:43 AM PST by jilliane
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To: jilliane
From the article:

blessing homosexual couples

Says everything we need to know about this creep ... time for him to go.

16 posted on 01/13/2009 7:47:33 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: gpk9

Huh?


17 posted on 01/13/2009 7:47:59 AM PST by SaintDismas
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To: tioga
my Bishop allowed this in his parishes

2013 .... countdown in full swing.

18 posted on 01/13/2009 7:55:20 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Vaquero
Why must these leftists insist upon foisting their bizarre beliefs upon the faithful of an established religion, that rejects their perversions?

Satan is always looking for an opening. When we let our guard down through our own sin and fecklessness he moves in.


19 posted on 01/13/2009 7:59:12 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "The Iron Lady of the North")
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To: rochester_veteran; tioga
This sounds just like the Corpus Christi/Spiritus Christi apostasy that occurred in the Diocese of Rochester, NY. Fr. Callan, the pastor led his parishioners to the “Church of What’s Happenin’ Now” and to their excommunications.

One of those 'rare' occasions when the bishop took action, albeit after the Vatican told him to do so. Yes, I remember the Corpus Christi event quite well. Since then, deaconess Mary Ramen was ordained by the American Catholic Church. It's been a while since I posted this picture. In case you missed it ...

And ... from Wikipedia ...

Mary Ramerman is one of the founders of the Spiritus Christi sect in Rochester, New York. Ramerman, a Californian and convert to Catholicism who wished to become a Catholic priest, was encouraged by Fr. James Callan, who had been appointed as pastor of the Corpus Christi parish in Rochester, New York, to migrate to his parish so that he could ordain her.
Full Text

20 posted on 01/13/2009 8:01:30 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I wonder what exactly he blessed. Did he bless homosexuals in the congregation generally and tell them they are not hated in his church and he blesses them as people? Or, did he call gay couples to the front of the church and bless their ‘couplehood’ in an exploitive way - did he say, “We celebrate your gay relationship!”? To some extremists it doesn’t matter because they are filled with hatred toward gay people. The article does not provide enough info.


21 posted on 01/13/2009 8:01:38 AM PST by jilliane
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To: jilliane

With all due respect: you’re grasping at straws.

Go to the link. Read the article. All of it. Including the extensive direct quotes from Fr. (for the moment) Kennedy.

He condemns himself.


22 posted on 01/13/2009 8:08:40 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jilliane
The article does not provide enough info.

This is all the info you need to know.

----snip----

Father Peter Kennedy: "If the church doesn't come to terms with the fact that the church has to operate within a liberal democracy, while it continues to act like a monarchy where all power is invested in the leadership of the Pope, then there's no hope, we'll be down to 3 per cent."

23 posted on 01/13/2009 8:14:24 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "The Iron Lady of the North")
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To: NYer
St Mary's is known for its unconventional Catholic practices - allowing women to preach, blessing homosexual couples and recognising with ritual the traditional sovereignty of the indigenous people of the area.

Ah, those "progressive" chr*stians. They love to tear their own religion to shreds while promoting religious fundamentalism among the "indigenous pipples!"

24 posted on 01/13/2009 8:27:20 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer Mosheh, 'Asurah-na' ve'er'eh 'et-hamar'eh hagadol hazeh; maddu`a lo'-yiv`ar haseneh.)
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To: jilliane
Jilliane,

The Church Magesterium and it's doctrines existed before 1965. They were not abolished after Vatican II. Many Catholics forget this grave error.

It is evident in what you post that you were not properly catechised in your Catholic schooling, and have little connection with the Church that was established in 33AD. Go and read some of the Pope's encyclicals....here's a suggestion. Read "The Popes Against Modern Errors" (TAN Books), there are 16 Papal documents that should answer your questions. Key in on the ones that address Modernism, Liberalism, errors, and False Opinions.

25 posted on 01/13/2009 8:28:16 AM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism"....Mel Gibson)
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To: NYer; tioga
2013 .... countdown in full swing.

LOL!

One of those 'rare' occasions when the bishop took action, albeit after the Vatican told him to do so. Yes, I remember the Corpus Christi event quite well. Since then, deaconess Mary Ramen was ordained by the American Catholic Church.

Bishop Clark needed to have his arm twisted to take action with Callan, Ramerman and the rest of the apostates.

26 posted on 01/13/2009 8:33:06 AM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: NYer
There are more Roman Catholics in Australia than any other religious group. Each week, St Mary's attracts large congregations while many more orthodox Catholic parishes struggle to fill pews.

Well, isn't that special. No editorializing there, no sir. So I guess this reporter's extensive theological and pastoral training leads him to conclude that unless you're hip and with it like Fr. Kennedy, your parish is in trouble.

27 posted on 01/13/2009 8:37:51 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obamanation: an imploding administration headed by a clueless schmuck)
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To: jilliane
As a Catholic convert, one of the things I appreciate about the Faith is obedience. The celibacy rule has stood almost from the earliest days of the Church. The exceptions made now are carefully being done and only in rare instances.

The homily is supposed to be given by the priest. Women in our church who feel the need to speak are given time before mass or at various retreats, committees, Bible studies, seminars and the like.

The shortage of sisters stems from a lack of vocations for several decades. A married woman can be a Catholic missionary, and many are. Sisters are a different category, and the idea of a married nun is simply inconceivable to me. What vows would she take? Would her husband take vows, too? What about if she were sent somewhere and the husband had to quit his job? The idea of a married sister seems ridiculous to me.

Long ago when I was young and foolish and not a Catholic, I was all up in arms about the Church's ruling on birth control. Pope Paul VI said that it would lead to adultery, divorce, abortion, sexual promiscuity, and the devaluation of women.

Guess what? Thirty-five years later, here we are and all of those things have come to pass.

I listen to Pope Benedict. The Church stands for Eternal Truth, not the whims of societal opinion.

28 posted on 01/13/2009 8:38:57 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

People who have driven their lives way off the road expect the powers-that-be to simply move the guardrails and re-pave things to accomodate their new route.


29 posted on 01/13/2009 8:40:33 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obamanation: an imploding administration headed by a clueless schmuck)
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To: rochester_veteran

so you are at the seat of the diocese of Rochester.....I am at farthest end of the diocese...


30 posted on 01/13/2009 8:43:32 AM PST by tioga (Let us unite in prayer for our country.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

With all due respect: we will disagree and I’m certainly not grasping at anything. I did read the article and the quotes. And, I’m not in the mood to discuss this any deeper as it will go no where...and I have a meeting in 2 minutes with the priest I work for.


31 posted on 01/13/2009 8:44:27 AM PST by jilliane
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To: jilliane
What’s wrong with women preaching?

Only priests may preach during Mass. Laymen and women are free to preach at other times.

Why can’t priests marry? Priests used to be able to marry until the church and the wives disagreed over the priest & wifes’ property when the priest died.

This is a liberal urban legend. The norm for priests has always been celibacy. While celibacy was not always required as a discipline, consider that married priests had to abstain from the marital act. Even in the Eastern particular churches, only celibates may be ordained to the episcopacy, and married priests have many challenges balancing their family and parish. Celibacy is a wise discipline.

Why can’t a Catholic nun be married and be recognized?

That makes no sense. The nature of a nun is to be a celibate. You can't be a celibate if you want to marry. If you want to do charity work, who's stopping you? You can even join a religious order as a lay affiliate:

Third Order of Saint Dominic
The National Fraternity of the Secular Franciscan Order - USA

32 posted on 01/13/2009 8:46:50 AM PST by B Knotts (ConservatismCentral.com)
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To: jilliane

As you wish ... When you get back, I wonder if you could enlighten us as to how the priest you work for compares to Fr. Kennedy.


33 posted on 01/13/2009 8:48:27 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Vaquero

“Why must these leftists insist upon foisting their bizarre beliefs upon the faithful of an established religion, that rejects their perversions?”

The simple answer is that liberals want a power base from which to operate. They have a hard time creating a decent, stable one on their own so they prefer to be like a parasite and use another group’s power base. A couple things come to mind for me (and since I’m nursing a headache right now, that’s about all I can muster right now), first, the Vietnam War caused a lot of draft dodgers to go into seminaries to avoid serving and as they delved into those schools, they saw that congregations and religious organizations could be a viable power base for their decidedly non-religious aspirations; second, when “Billlyyyons” Carl Sagan was alive, he wrote an article imploring pastors to turn over to him and his acolytes their congregations so they could be properly taught Sagan’s liberal views. The Catholic Church is still a viable power case and so will continue to be a target of leftists who want the power without having to create and sustain it themselves.


34 posted on 01/13/2009 8:49:06 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Miss Marple

“Women in our church who feel the need to speak” - that said a lot.


35 posted on 01/13/2009 8:49:12 AM PST by jilliane
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To: B Knotts

“Only priests may preach during Mass. Laymen and women are free to preach at other times.” -

That’s the question.

“This is a liberal urban legend”

Absolutely wrong.

“The nature of a nun is to be a celibate.”

The tradition of a nun is to be a celibate - the nature of a nun is to do the work of the church.


36 posted on 01/13/2009 8:51:59 AM PST by jilliane
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To: Miss Marple

Well said, Miss Marple.


37 posted on 01/13/2009 8:53:02 AM PST by B Knotts (ConservatismCentral.com)
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To: jilliane

Short meeting.


38 posted on 01/13/2009 8:53:49 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
St Mary's is known for its unconventional Catholic practices - allowing women to preach, blessing homosexual couples

Jesus is the Truth and the head of His Church. To be out of doctrinal communion with the Church means separation from the Body of Christ. This group has already left the Church materially, if not formally.

39 posted on 01/13/2009 8:54:00 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: jilliane
No, the nature of a nun is to be celibate.

As Yogi Berra said..."you could look it up."

40 posted on 01/13/2009 8:54:20 AM PST by B Knotts (ConservatismCentral.com)
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To: ArrogantBustard

*snort* :-)


41 posted on 01/13/2009 8:55:11 AM PST by B Knotts (ConservatismCentral.com)
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To: ArrogantBustard

moved to 11 - more fun time with you!


42 posted on 01/13/2009 8:56:08 AM PST by jilliane
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
"If the church doesn't come to terms with the fact that the church has to operate within a liberal democracy,

LOL! What's going on in the seminaries? Sheesh.

43 posted on 01/13/2009 8:56:54 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan; jilliane
From the article:

Asked what Jesus Christ would make of the controversy, Father Kennedy replied: "Well, Jesus always stood with the poor, the broken and the oppressed. Jesus was not a Christian. He was a Jew. And he certainly wasn't a Catholic and he didn't start the Catholic Church. He didn't start any church.

Fr. Kennedy appears to be a heretic. He certainly denies the obvious in Scripture. Perhaps he doesn't listen when his ladies proclaim the Gospel. Perhaps he just skips certain readings.

44 posted on 01/13/2009 8:57:14 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: caseinpoint
The simple answer is that liberals want a power base from which to operate. They have a hard time creating a decent, stable one on their own so they prefer to be like a parasite and use another group’s power base.

Bravo.

This is precisely what The Church has been battling and dealing with for centuries. The liberals main goal is destruction and demolishment. The latter won't happen but they are putting up a fierce battle nonetheless.

45 posted on 01/13/2009 8:57:24 AM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism"....Mel Gibson)
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To: kstewskis

You are absolutely right that it all changed after Vatican II. My mom was catechised in Vatican I, I was a child in 2nd grade when Vatican II happened. When it changed from latin, it all got a lot less mysterious.

Maybe the catechists were really confused for my 13 years. Or maybe I always had trouble believing that my friend was going to hell because she wasn’t a Catholic.


46 posted on 01/13/2009 9:00:55 AM PST by jilliane
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To: jilliane
From the article:

Father Kennedy said leadership selection in the Catholic Church was "a very incestuous process and it starts from Rome", adding it would never change "until the people regain the right to elect their bishops".

The people never had the right to elect their bishops ... Fr. Kennedy has a very distorted idea of Church history. Does Fr. Kennedy also think that doctrine should be put to the vote?

47 posted on 01/13/2009 9:04:48 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jilliane

Why are you protesting the authority of the Catholic Church? Isn’t that what PROTESTants do?


48 posted on 01/13/2009 9:05:54 AM PST by SaintDismas
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To: ArrogantBustard
Again, from the article, direct quote from Fr. Kennedy:

"Most of the people who come here are what we call 'recovering Catholics'.

Hmmmm .... yes. The term refers to those who reject one or more matters of Catholic doctrine, usually regarding sexual morality. A better term for them would be heretics or schismatics. Apostates, even, in some cases.

49 posted on 01/13/2009 9:06:48 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jilliane
What’s wrong with women preaching?

Jesus' "Great Commission" to his (all male Apostles) was to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

1) Jesus gave this great commission and teaching authority to his Apostles.
2) Jesus chose only males as His Apostles. He could have chosen women (He is God, after all), but He didn't.
3) Bishops (and to a lesser extent, priests) are successors to the Apostles.
4) Male bishops have Apostolic teaching authority (that extends down to priests to a lesser degree).
5) Therefore, the Church concludes that only priests have the authority to preach (/teach) during Mass.

50 posted on 01/13/2009 9:08:00 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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