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Most Underrated Part of Inauguration
WORLD NET DAILY ^ | 1-26-09 | CHUCK NORRIS

Posted on 01/26/2009 11:42:00 AM PST by Jo Nuvark

Pre-inaugural chatter speculated what each of the ministers would say. Would the Rev. Rick Warren use the opportunity to pray against the maladies of abortion or homosexuality? Would he end his prayer in the nonpolitically correct and exclusive "in Jesus' name"? Would the Rev. Joseph Lowery resurrect a civil right spirit in his ecumenical prayer? Would he slide in a pro-gay comment within the final entreaty of the inauguration? (SNIP) ... just when you think the "amen" is imminent, Warren gives a coup de grace to any political or earthly power – a possible subversive chess move to subtly call Obama's regime into checkmate. He called upon the global Christian community to ...

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Prayer; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: inaugural; prayer; rickwarren

1 posted on 01/26/2009 11:42:01 AM PST by Jo Nuvark
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To: GOPJ; Current Occupant; Baynative; mnehrling; eeevil conservative; Repub4bush; andyk; defconw; ...

Please forgive is this has been posted already.
Could not find it using the search tools.


2 posted on 01/26/2009 11:43:16 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: All

Will be back to respond to your comments this
evening, but I wanted to post this before I forgot.

God’s blessings to all.

Jo


3 posted on 01/26/2009 11:45:09 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: orfannkyl

Yeah baby!


5 posted on 01/26/2009 11:50:28 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Norris makes some excellent points. Very good read!


6 posted on 01/26/2009 11:51:51 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Rick Warren was just being Rick Warren who is, most days, mostly about Rick Warren.


8 posted on 01/26/2009 11:55:38 AM PST by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Text of Pastor Rick Warren, Inauguration Invocation ...


Let us pray.

Almighty God, our Father, everything we see and everything we can’t see exists because of you alone. It all comes from you. It all belongs to you. It all exists for your glory.

History is your story. The Scripture tells us, “Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God. The Lord is One.” And you are the compassionate and merciful one. And you are loving to everyone you have made.

Now, today, we rejoice not only in America’s peaceful transfer of power for the 44th time. We celebrate a hingepoint of history with the inauguration of our first African American president of the United States. We are so grateful to live in this land, a land of unequaled possibility, where the son of an African immigrant can rise to the highest level of our leadership. And we know today that Dr. King and a great cloud of witnesses are shouting in heaven. Give to our new President, Barack Obama, the wisdom to lead us with humility, the courage to lead us with integrity, the compassion to lead us with generosity. Bless and protect him, his family, Vice President Biden, the cabinet, and every one of our freely elected leaders.

Help us, O God, to remember that we are Americans, united not by race, or religion, or blood, but to our commitment to freedom and justice for all. When we focus on ourselves, when we fight each other, when we forget you, forgive us. When we presume that our greatness and our prosperity is ours alone, forgive us. When we fail to treat our fellow human beings and all the earth with the respect that they deserve, forgive us. And as we face these difficult days ahead, may we have a new birth of clarity in our aims, responsibility in our actions, humility in our approaches, and civility in our attitudes, even when we differ.

Help us to share, to serve and to seek the common good of all. May all people of good will today join together to work for a more just, a more healthy and a more prosperous nation and a peaceful planet. And may we never forget that one day all nations and all people will stand accountable before you. We now commit our new president and his wife, Michelle and his daughters, Malia and Sasha, into your loving care.

I humbly ask this in the name of the one who changed my life, Yeshua, Isa, Jesus [Spanish pronunciation], Jesus, who taught us to pray:

“Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.”



9 posted on 01/26/2009 12:04:33 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Jo Nuvark

if it was posted before, I missed it. Very interesting article.....


10 posted on 01/26/2009 12:36:28 PM PST by tioga
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To: BlueNgold
Rick Warren was just being Rick Warren who is, most days, mostly about Rick Warren.

I was wondering how many comments it would take before a Warren Derangement Syndrome (WDS) poster showed up. It didn't take long.

Tell me, did you read or hear Warren's prayer or are you just slamming Rick Warren because it's the in thing to do among a certain group of uninformed Christians?

Read the prayer and point out the parts where Warren was trying to elevate himself. It's time to put up or shut up.


11 posted on 01/26/2009 12:37:37 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: Jo Nuvark

The author of this article makes me angry. I would like to take him out back and teach him some manners. /s


12 posted on 01/26/2009 12:40:32 PM PST by Augustinian monk (He that turneth from hearing the law, even his prayuer shall be an abomination Proverbs 28:9)
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To: DallasMike

I’m getting a little tired of anytime somebody disagrees with somebody it’s now called “Derangement Syndrome”. I don’t like Rick Warren one little bit. I think he’s all about whatever is good for him. I’m certainly not “Deranged” about him. In fact I rarely even think about him.


13 posted on 01/26/2009 12:44:19 PM PST by beandog
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To: DallasMike

I heard it, I read it, and I don’t believe that it was anything other than what I expect most days from the Right Reverend Rick.

Was a new commandment added somewhere that dictates I need to like, approve, and follow Mr. Warren? Last I checked I am free to enjoy and voice my opinion.

As for elevating himself - Mr. Warren has never said “Look how great I am” - people like him never do - but just because they don’t say it overtly doesn’t for a moment mean that isn’t their goal. He had an international stage and he jumped right in with political correctness rather than conviction. The other minister spoke his mind regardless of public opinion - Rick allowed himself to be edited, even censored, in order to get a place on the stage. It is my opinion that his goal was to be ‘inclusive’ rather than to stand before the world as a minister ordained by Christ. In so doing he placed himself above his calling - he placed ‘opportunity’ and ‘exposure’ over a righteous message and principal. Thus my opinion that Mr. Warren is more often about Mr. Warren than he is about Christ.

And by the by - standing in front of the world - with hundreds of millions (if not billions) of people watching, and quoting from the Koran - hardly a fitting testament of an evangelical minister to the One True God.


14 posted on 01/26/2009 1:19:13 PM PST by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: DallasMike

well said - wish I thought to post the same!!


15 posted on 01/26/2009 2:30:16 PM PST by elpadre (nation)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Good catch. Thanks.


16 posted on 01/26/2009 5:06:51 PM PST by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Jo Nuvark

That Obama did not join in tells me what I have concluded about him is true: he —whatever else he is—is not a Christian.


17 posted on 01/26/2009 8:41:09 PM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: RobbyS
[Pastor Warren includes The Lord's Prayer in his Inaugural invocation.]

That Obama did not join in tells me what I have concluded about him is true: he —whatever else he is—is not a Christian.

From the article:

"(It was interesting to watch how Obama chose not to publicly follow or join in.)"

Interesting? Yes, that went over like a bucket of ice. That was jarring. He didn't even bow his head. He held his head up and stuck his jaw out--in defiance?

18 posted on 01/26/2009 8:52:01 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Jo Nuvark
For reference: Past Presidential Inaguration Prayers
19 posted on 01/26/2009 8:56:04 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Jo Nuvark

I think he’s reading far more into this than was there. I saw the prayer as an uncomfortable meshing of evangelical speak and liberal “social justice” theology.

Plus, I hate it when someone “preaches” through their prayer.


20 posted on 01/27/2009 1:02:17 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: DallasMike; BlueNgold; Jo Nuvark
Short and Sweet, a good article from the Pyromaniacs Blog, with some good (and some not so good) discussion about the prayer. Also, check out the Inauguration Prayer Series for some good thoughts from preachers about how they might conduct an Inaugural Prayer (The series was done before the Inauguration - so there is no reaction to Rick Warren's prayer).
21 posted on 01/27/2009 6:52:37 AM PST by raynearhood ("I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels" -John Calvin)
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To: raynearhood; BlueNgold; Jo Nuvark
Thanks, Ray -- that was good. I was surprised that some people saw the same things that I did. I didn't see the prayer as inclusive in terms of being watered down; I did, however, see it as inclusive in terms of reaching out to the lost. Of course, he couldn't preach an entire sermon in 3 minutes, but I think that he planted a few seeds that others can water.

Warren was clearly referring to the Quran, but he was applying the supposed attributes of Allah to the real attributes of the one true God. Someone mentioned calling God compassionate and merciful and I also recall a passage in Exodus I read a few weeks ago that used the same words.

I had no problem with using the name of Jesus pronounced in English, Arabic, Hebrew, and Spanish. I don't know why so many people do.

One of the things that I keep up with is the growth of the church where it is undergoing persecution. I've read some books over the past years about how Christianity is growing in the Arab world, and also especially in Iran.

These people need to know that the one true God is compassionate and merciful. They need to learn that the Isa they read about in the Quran is not the Isa who died on the cross for our sins.

One thing I find funny is that so many American Christians took offense at what Warren said. However, I guarantee that Arabic speakers heard the words "merciful and compassionate" and "Isa" coming from Warren's mouth and made the connection. Arabic Christians also call God "Allah." We as Christians need to preach and witness to the Muslim world who the real Isa is, who the real Allah is, and proclaim that God is indeed compassionate and merciful.

22 posted on 01/27/2009 3:10:54 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I saw the prayer as an uncomfortable meshing of evangelical speak and liberal “social justice” theology.

Hey, I like evangelical speak!

I did not see any liberal social justice speak. Yes, there was talk of social justice, but didn't God the Father and God the Father speak of social justice? We just finished studying Deuteronomy in Bible study and I'm in Genesis as part of my Bible in a Year program. Lots of talk about how to treat the poor, the traveler, and the foreigner.

The danger is moving into Marxist liberation theology, but I don't think that Warren came anywhere near there. Having read most of his books, I would imagine that he would find that concept appalling.

BTW, it would have been nice to have had the pope on stage, too. :-)

23 posted on 01/27/2009 3:24:33 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike

(Random thoughts)

“Help us, O God, to remember that we are Americans, united not by race, or religion, or blood, but to our commitment to freedom and justice for all.”

The above statement has no place in a prayer to God Almighty... maybe a prayer to Superman, but not to God.

“Help us to share, to serve and to seek the common good of all. May all people of good will today join together to work for a more just, a more healthy and a more prosperous nation and a peaceful planet.”

This is total Kum-ba-yah liberal Christianity.

“And we know today that Dr. King and a great cloud of witnesses are shouting in heaven.”

Very doubtful, given that he was a denier of the resurrection, a communist and an adulterer.


24 posted on 01/27/2009 4:35:29 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

“Help us to share, to serve and to seek the common good of all. May all people of good will today join together to work for a more just, a more healthy and a more prosperous nation and a peaceful planet.”

This is total Kum-ba-yah liberal Christianity.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Those who love you will prosper.
Peace be within your walls, and prosperity within your palaces.
For my brothers' and companions' sakes, I will now say, "Peace be within you."

That's from Psalms 122. Read the book of Deuteronomy and you will see chapter after chapter of promises of peace, health, and prosperity if the Israelites would obey God's commandments.

Believe me, I am very much against "name it and claim it" Christianity and Marxist liberation theology. I still do not see any hint of those in Warren's prayer.

25 posted on 01/27/2009 7:15:39 PM PST by DallasMike
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[... We as Christians need to preach and witness to the Muslim world who the real Isa is, who the real Allah is, and proclaim that God is indeed compassionate and merciful...]

Excellent evaluation.

Matthew 18 says “Go into ALL the world!”


26 posted on 01/28/2009 10:51:04 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Someone better start sending “them missionaries” here to the United States... :-)

Along with that, we need a Presidential Proclamation like Lincoln gave, which is probably more appropriate now than it ever was before...


A Proclamation.

Whereas, the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God, in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation.

And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.

And, insomuch as we know that, by His divine law, nations like individuals are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment, inflicted upon us, for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole People? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved, these many years, in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth and power, as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!

It behooves us then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.

Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do, by this my proclamation, designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th. day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting and prayer. And I do hereby request all the People to abstain, on that day, from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite, at their several places of public worship and their respective homes, in keeping the day holy to the Lord, and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.

All this being done, in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the Divine teachings, that the united cry of the Nation will be heard on high, and answered with blessings, no less than the pardon of our national sins, and the restoration of our now divided and suffering Country, to its former happy condition of unity and peace.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this thirtieth day of March, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty seventh.

—By the President: Abraham Lincoln

William H. Seward, Secretary of State


If it would only be so....


27 posted on 01/28/2009 11:00:14 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler; Joya; DallasMike; raynearhood; BlueNgold; PetroniusMaximus; stainlessbanner; ...

If liberty could pray...

O God, arrogant men have risen up against me, And a
band of violent men have sought my life, And they have
not set You before them. But You, O Lord, are a God
merciful and gracious, Slow to anger and abundant in
lovingkindness and truth. Turn to me, and be gracious
to me; Oh grant Your strength to Your servant, And save
the son of Your handmaid. Show me a sign for good,
That those who hate me may see it and be ashamed,
Because You, O LORD, have helped me and comforted me.
(Psalm 86:14-17)

Star Traveler, DallasMike; raynearhood; BlueNgold; PetroniusMaximus; Joya; stainlessbanner; RobbyS, tioga, augustinianmonk, raynearhood, quix, gordongreene, das outsider,


28 posted on 01/28/2009 11:33:25 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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