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If You Are Contracepting, You Are Part of A Very Big Problem
Madrid Blogspot ^ | January 27, 2009 | Patrick Madrid

Posted on 01/27/2009 11:06:53 AM PST by NYer

Global aging, combined with plummeting birth rates, is a catastrophically dangerous menace that only a few people seem to be waking up to. You may not be familiar with terms like “global aging” and “demographic winter,” but you will be soon.

I've been giving public lectures on the problem of global aging for the past 7 years or so, and my audiences are always shocked and dumbfounded as I explain how the West's ever expanding population of old people (due, thank God, to the ever-improving capabilities of bio-medical science), while a good thing in itself, will soon become a prime target for the forced-euthanasia crowd as the decline in birth rates among women of child-bearing age throughout the West (as well as major non-Western countries like Japan and Russia) forces an ever-shrinking number of younger, working citizens to shoulder the economic burden of paying for the retirement benefits consumed by the ever-expanding population of retired, old folks.

This is a lethal combination that will, I am certain, begin playing itself out with horrifying new consequences within the next 10, 15, 20 years. Perhaps sooner. It's hard to predict. What we do know for sure, though, is that the West has been marinating for decades now in the bloody serum of legalized abortion, and it breathes the toxic atmosphere of ubiquitous pornography, consumerism, and the contraception mentality. What would have been unthinkable to Americans a mere 50 years ago (gay marriage, a billion-dollar abortion industry, the rise of euthanasia, etc.) has become commonplace and increasingly  unremarkable in this generation.

Where are we headed?

American economist Peter G. Peterson, in his book Gray Dawn: How the Coming Age Wave Will Transform America and the World (Random House, 1999), predicts: “Global aging will become the transcendent political and economic issue of the twenty-first century. I will argue [in this book] that — like it or not, and there's every reason to believe we won't like it — renegotiating the established social contract in reponse to global aging will soon dominate and daunt the public policy agendas or all the developed countries” (p. 5).

What Peterson means by “renegotiate the established social contract” is: You retired people, as well as all you who expect to retire in the next decade or two, don't expect that you'll be taken care of by the rest of us the way you now are or expect to be taken care of. Safety nets like Social Security and Medicare may have to be drastically downsized or even, if things get economically bad enough, eliminated. In other words, we may not be able to continue paying for the burdensome expenses old people impose on an ever-shrinking younger workforce (Thanks, contracepting couples! Thanks, abortion industry!). And what happens then? 

I've been saying for years now what is being reported yet again in this article. What is now known as the “right to die movement” is steadily morphing into what will soon become the “oblicagtion to die movement.” 

The politics of “young versus old” is rising, slowly but surely, and we will live to see its pernicious effects. Soon enough we will begin to see how the demographic winter results in an intergenerational struggle. The younger people, who have lived their entire lives learning from the media and our culture as a whole that other people are only useful or valuable insofar as they do one or more of a few things: give sexual pleasure, provide entertainment, make money, or produce some kind of product or service.

30+ years of legalized abortion has hardened millions of younger Americans into seeing unborn children as “parasites” who should be eliminated because they are inconvenient and unwanted.  50 years of the mainstreaming of pornography (thanks, Heff!) have educated a wide swath of Americans to look at others as objects for pleasure. And the aggressive cult of scientism has successfully swayed many people to look at unpleasant realities such as aging, pain, and lonliness as intolerable conditions that must be eliminated at all costs. 

So, barring some miracle (and while I do believe in miracles, I also believe in Divine Justice), I predict that the next step in the morbid evolution of the West's enmeshment in the culture of death will entail such horrors as forced euthansia and cloning human beings for body parts. This will begin to take shape as soon as enough people who have no belief in God and no regard for the value of human life begin to realize what “demographic winter” means for them financially.

With that in mind, please consider the chilling points made in this LifeSite article:

Celebrated columnist and pro-family leader Don Feder gave a jaw-dropping presentation on the coming 'Demographic Winter' at the Rose Dinner which closes the official March for Life festivities every year. Speaking to hundreds of attendees, Feder suggested that the demographic problem of worldwide declining birthrates "could result in the greatest crisis humanity will confront in this century" as "all over the world, children are disappearing."
 
"In the Western world, birthrates are falling and populations are aging," said Feder. "The consequences for your children and grandchildren could well be catastrophic."
 
Feder noted, "In 30 years, worldwide, birth rates have fallen by more than 50%. In 1979, the average woman on this planet had 6 children. Today, the average is 2.9 children, and falling."  He explained the situation noting, "demographers tell us that with a birthrate of 1.3, everything else being equal, a nation will lose half of its population every 45 years."
 
Beyond an inability to pay for pensions, it is likely that euthanasia will be one looked-to solution to the aging crisis, he said.

"Demographic Winter is the terminal stage in the suicide of the West - the culmination of a century of evil ideas and poisonous policies,'" he said.  Among them he listed:
 
"Abortion - As I mentioned a moment ago, worldwide, we're killing 42 million people a year. It's as if an invading army killed every man woman and child in Italy - then repeated the process every year.
 
"Contraception - For the first time in history, just under half the world's population of childbearing age uses some form of birth control. Some of us remember when births weren't controlled and pregnancies weren't planned. With all the wailing about man-made Global Warming, carbon footprints and the ozone layer, wouldn't it be ironic if what did us in wasn't the SUV but the IUD? . . . 
(read article)

 


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: alarmism; birthrate; chickenlittle; contraception; deathofthewest; demographics; doomandgloom; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; onozweregonnadie; panic; population; populationcontrol; prolife; scaremongering
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To: Patrick Madrid; massgopguy

If you were 85 now, you could come live with us, as long as you like reptiles and bluegrass music. Unfortunately (for such a scenario), we’re almost as old as you are.

I expect to work until I die, unless Tom becomes a TV star, Elen marries rich, or Pat invents cold fusion and ftl travel.


51 posted on 01/27/2009 11:57:05 AM PST by Tax-chick (I will not be silenced.)
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To: alexander_busek
"Definition of "underclass:" Anyone less educated, less cultured, less affluent than I."

Definition of the Rich. Anyone who has more money than me.

(Its why the Democrats can always get away with raising Taxes on the Rich, because most folks think they are not rich.)

52 posted on 01/27/2009 11:58:17 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: NYer

You actually have a good point there. To be frank, if not for the terrorist scum and the others, it would actually provide a breather for dear old Mother Earth if our population went down for a while.

But unfortunately the Mud-slimes are busy reproducing like crazy and not bothering to educate them except for their demented religion.

The world will fall apart, but not because of pollution, but because there won’t be enough smart, non self destructive people to maintain everything that we have now.


53 posted on 01/27/2009 11:59:16 AM PST by Niuhuru (Fine, here's my gun, but let me give you the bullets first. I'll send them to you through the barrel)
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To: annalex

And a pool ;-). But seriesly, paying half what most people of similar income spend on the house leaves us plenty for nine children, pets, a car, a truck, a van, music, wine, charity, education, etc., etc.

I realize that many people live in places with horrific housing costs, compared to ours, but many others don’t.


54 posted on 01/27/2009 12:15:21 PM PST by Tax-chick (I will not be silenced.)
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To: NYer

However having the human race die off solves a host of “problems”. No humans no global warming, no Social Security problem and no one to tear down Lord Obama’s effigies.


55 posted on 01/27/2009 12:16:18 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Niuhuru

First of all, that’s not true. Second, why would you come to a conservative web site, if you believe all the leftwing garbage you hear?


56 posted on 01/27/2009 12:18:22 PM PST by nickcarraway (Are the Good Times Really Over?)
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To: The Great RJ

Strangler Figs or kudzu would get the effigies, eventually.


57 posted on 01/27/2009 12:18:29 PM PST by Tax-chick (I will not be silenced.)
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To: NYer

Many times when people say they can’t afford to bring more children in the world, what they actually mean is that they can’t afford a 2nd new car, or trips to Disneyworld. When you have a lot of kids, there are sacrifices to be made, but children are a gift, not a commodity. Right now, the Muslims, who do not contracept, are outnumbering non-Muslims in Europe. Soon, this will be the case in the U.S.


58 posted on 01/27/2009 12:21:35 PM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: NYer

Read the book “Caliphate” - it’s a pretty scary (and demographically accurate) story of what’s in the cards for the near future of Europe.


59 posted on 01/27/2009 12:36:32 PM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember, the twenty-sixth of November.)
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To: NYer; Allegra; JimWforBush; martin_fierro; Jersey Republican Biker Chick; najida; Tijeras_Slim; ...

FREERIDER PING!!!!!


60 posted on 01/27/2009 12:47:07 PM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.)
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To: murron

I assure you that I cannot afford to have more children. I have 5 now, and 2 on the way. It has been a struggle financially, and I truly don’t know how I am going to pay for 2 more, including my wife out of work for a couple months. This has nothing to do with an expensive house or a pool. It has to do with the fact that kids are expensive. Mine don’t wear $200 shoes, and we don’t have a pool. We have never been to Disney World. We are not afraid to make sacrifices, we just have very little left to sacrifice.

Right now, I am praying that my babies will be born healthy and my wife will be ok. I am praying that we will somehow manage to make this work. I don’t give a **** about the Muslim population’s reproduction rate. Until you have been where I am, you really know nothing about this.


61 posted on 01/27/2009 12:56:20 PM PST by ga medic
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To: NYer

More gloom-and-doom nonsense, just like the New Ice Age and Global Warming.


62 posted on 01/27/2009 12:58:33 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: allmendream
For most of human history the human population of the Earth was less than a billion.

And every great civilization of those times was, by these gloom-and-doom arguments, critically underpopulated.

63 posted on 01/27/2009 1:00:44 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: ga medic
I have 5 now, and 2 on the way

God bless you for that. I assure you -- I've been posting on these threads for a long time -- no one's comments here were intended to hoist any kind of perpetual breeding program on anyone. Each circumstance is different. The Catholic rule of thumb used to be 4 children, you are well ahead of me and most. The industrialized West's average is, I believe, 1.2 children and that is very sad. The remarks were addressing 1.2, not 5+2.

64 posted on 01/27/2009 1:03:07 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Patrick Madrid
This "economist" needs to get out more. Driving on the Beltway at 6 PM ought to be enough to shake the delusion that the problem is too few people.
65 posted on 01/27/2009 1:03:30 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b

The criterion of national health is not the absolute population numbers, but worker-to-elderly ratios. They are driven by birth rates.


66 posted on 01/27/2009 1:04:55 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

That’s virtually meaningless, given the number of other factors (death rate, changing definition of “elderly”, productivity per worker, and a plethora of others) that enter into the economic picture.


67 posted on 01/27/2009 1:09:43 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b

Who can disagree. Everyone inside the Washington Beltway should be on a cot in a re-education camp in Montana and not driving around posting on blogs.


68 posted on 01/27/2009 1:13:55 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: steve-b

I agree again! All these are factors. The birth rate is something most easily adjusted. You know how? Ask.


69 posted on 01/27/2009 1:15:42 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Niuhuru

“I find that interesting considering the underclass is breeding like rabbits.”

Don’t blame them for doing the right thing. Your upperclass should be breading like rabbits, too, despite what Nancy Pelosi says. But, then again, how can you afford that new Beemer or pay off that college tuition loan and have children, too? Right?


70 posted on 01/27/2009 1:17:32 PM PST by cowtowney
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To: Niuhuru
I find that interesting considering the underclass is breeding like rabbits.

They're also aborting like Margaret Sanger's step-children. Visit a local abortuary and see who the primary clients are.
71 posted on 01/27/2009 1:20:59 PM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: Troll_House_Cookies
Eventually the more populated countries will slow down and the ratios will be more static

China's fertility rate is 1.77 children per woman, while India's is 2.76 (and plunging).

This demographic decline is happening everywhere in the world where living standards are increasing. The poorer the country, the higher the fertility rate.

72 posted on 01/27/2009 1:21:19 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: bronxboy
True, I love kids and would have had more if I could have afforded to.

That's pretty funny. You live in the richest nation in the history of the world, and you claim you can't afford more children.
73 posted on 01/27/2009 1:23:03 PM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: annalex

Actually, the other factors are far more easily adjusted. Everyone wants to live longer and to produce more, so no social engineering is required — just good old-fashioned ingenuity.


74 posted on 01/27/2009 1:25:25 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: NYer
Ridiculous. The idea that I somehow owe children to society is as abhorrent as some of the leftist greenies' notion that we are morally obligated not to reproduce. How about I manage my own family and ALL of you collectivist tyrants just leave us alone?
75 posted on 01/27/2009 1:27:15 PM PST by Sloth (I am the governed, and I hereby withhold my consent.)
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To: Citizen Blade

Yep. The demographic transition is a natural result of social and economic success. Complaints about it are just the usual whines that spew from elitists when people insist on doing what they think is best rather than doing what the elitists think is best for them.


76 posted on 01/27/2009 1:27:17 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Sloth
Ridiculous. The idea that I somehow owe children to society is as abhorrent as some of the leftist greenies' notion that we are morally obligated not to reproduce. How about I manage my own family and ALL of you collectivist tyrants just leave us alone?

This is only an issue because we have set up a socialist pyramid scheme of pensions, medicare and the like.

With people living longer and having less children, a system where people get to retire at 65 and be supported by the working population is simply untenable.

77 posted on 01/27/2009 1:30:35 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: steve-b
More gloom-and-doom nonsense, just like the New Ice Age and Global Warming.

And yet, you still can't name for me one nation in history that thrived while undergoing a major population contraction.
78 posted on 01/27/2009 1:32:41 PM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: steve-b

I never experienced a need for extra ingenuity while making children.


79 posted on 01/27/2009 1:33:29 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Antoninus

Huh? So, you are pinning your argument on the premise that Stalinism is superior to the (partly) free body politic of modern Russia, Comrade Antoninus?


80 posted on 01/27/2009 1:35:33 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b
Complaints about it are just the usual whines that spew from elitists when people insist on doing what they think is best rather than doing what the elitists think is best for them.

How come when Hollyweird, the elite media, and the government convince people to contracept, sterilize, and abort, they're not "elitists" who think they know what's best for everyone? It's only those who say, "don't contracept, have babies, and children are a blessing."
81 posted on 01/27/2009 1:38:10 PM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: Antoninus
Richest nation? Now that the picture has become clear, the hints of a collectivist viewpoint stand out like sore thumbs. I really should have noticed much earlier....
82 posted on 01/27/2009 1:38:51 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b
Huh? So, you are pinning your argument on the premise that Stalinism is superior to the (partly) free body politic of modern Russia, Comrade Antoninus?

Again, you have nothing to offer. Your motto should be, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS."

Guess which category that pathetic argument falls into?
83 posted on 01/27/2009 1:39:36 PM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: Citizen Blade; Sloth
With people living longer and having fewer children, a system where people get to retire at 65 and be supported by the working population is simply untenable.

Yes, it is. Another part that's not going to work much longer is non-working people's being supported by the working population their entire lives.

The modern social-welfare state is an experiment that has failed. The outcome of the failure is not yet evident to most voters, but it's going to kick people where they live "soon," in global-history terms. Those who are old (70s-80s) now may not realize what happened, but many of those now 50s and 60s may find themselves "lives not worth living" a lot sooner than they expect.

84 posted on 01/27/2009 1:40:04 PM PST by Tax-chick (I will not be silenced.)
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To: Antoninus
Obviously, giving people the ability to effectively control the physical universe is a blessing (from God, if you believe that's the ultimate source of the underlying order of nature that makes it possible).

(The fact that this particular advance is fairly recent is a more comprehensive rebuttal to your earlier point, such as it is, than the specific example of post-Soviet Russia.)

85 posted on 01/27/2009 1:41:34 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b
Now that the picture has become clear, the hints of a collectivist viewpoint stand out like sore thumbs.

Oh, I'm sorry--is the United States no longer a nation? And describing it as such makes one a collectivist? LOL. Simply pathetic.
86 posted on 01/27/2009 1:41:36 PM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: Antoninus
Guess which category that pathetic argument falls into?

"I'll take 'Arguments commonly used by Antoninus' for $400...."

87 posted on 01/27/2009 1:42:33 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b
Obviously, giving people the ability to effectively control the physical universe is a blessing (from God, if you believe that's the ultimate source of the underlying order of nature that makes it possible).

Spoken like a true amoralist. Using that logic, we also have the means to control human "overpopulation" with the use of relatively recent modern advances like atomic weaponry. I suppose opposing that method would qualify one as a collectivist who rejected the blessings of God as well, eh Steve?
88 posted on 01/27/2009 1:45:06 PM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: Tax-chick
The modern social-welfare state is an experiment that has failed.

The modern welfare state worked when (a) there were 8+ workers for every retired person; (b) there was a sense of shame attached to being on the dole; and (c) retirees died at 70, rather then 85.

None of these are really applicable anymore. The system will inevitably collapse under its own weight. It's just a question of how much damage it will do on its way down.

89 posted on 01/27/2009 2:03:42 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Antoninus
How come when Hollyweird, the elite media, and the government convince people to contracept, sterilize, and abort, they're not "elitists" who think they know what's best for everyone?

On this issue, people didn't need much convincing. The rise of effective and cheap birth control, coupled with the overturning of the laws that banned contraception, was more than enough to make tens of millions of Americans go out and control their fertility.

For most people, women especially, unregulated fertility is a nuisance and a limitation.

90 posted on 01/27/2009 2:07:14 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: bronxboy

If my husband and I had waited until we could afford to have children, we never would have had any. We have been blessed with four so far and wouldn’t change a thing.


91 posted on 01/27/2009 2:08:46 PM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: Citizen Blade
The modern welfare state worked when briefly.

When conditions changed, in large part due to the effects of the new system, it began to crash. It's not yet quite in free-fall (defined as massive, unmistakable societal disruption) but it's only a matter of time.

Russia first, or Japan? Certainly Europe falls to the Moslems before the U.S. goes belly-up, since we have a larger and more resilient citizen population and less-hostile immigrants, overall.

92 posted on 01/27/2009 2:10:17 PM PST by Tax-chick (I will not be silenced.)
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To: ga medic

All I can say is, God Bless you and your wonderful family. Maybe you can’t see it hnow, but you are so blessed. Please count your blessings, and the rest will take care of itself. You may not be able to provide all the worldly goods, but you have more riches than those who have beautiful homes and no children. Please hang in there. You will survive and will look back at these times, I hope, with very fond memories.


93 posted on 01/27/2009 2:24:59 PM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: ga medic

One more thing. I don’t have 7 children, but I do have 4. They are all grown now, but when they were small, and I had the first 3 in in a 3 year period, we were struggling as well. We had some IRS problems, which kept our income very low, and we were struggling to make ends meet as well. It was very hard, and I broke down in tears the week before Christmas because things looked so bleak. I have been where you are, and I wouldn’t give one of my children back so that my husband and I wouldn’t have had to struggle. Things have gotten easier for us now, and I’d be willing to bet that this will happen to you as well.


94 posted on 01/27/2009 2:30:10 PM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Antoninus

Children are expensive...no I am happy to have the four and hopefully provide for them in these tough times...I may live in a rich nation, but I am not rich


95 posted on 01/27/2009 2:38:31 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: iowamark

Muslims strap bombs on their kids...so they need more.


96 posted on 01/27/2009 2:55:30 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: NYer

God blessed me with four lovely children, but I still have to feed them and clothe them...welfare moms get criticized all the time for doing this.


97 posted on 01/27/2009 2:59:41 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: Patrick Madrid

Thank you Patrick for your efforts to reveal the truth about birth control, euthanasia, loss of respect for life.

Terry Schiavo X 10,000’s, slowly, quietly.

Reminds me of the saying,
‘God forgives but nature never forgives.’
We will indeed reap what we sow.


98 posted on 01/27/2009 3:08:05 PM PST by 99Floyd (Silence = Acceptance)
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To: murron

“Things have gotten easier for us now, and I’d be willing to bet that this will happen to you as well.”

Thanks. That probably isn’t true for a lot of reasons, but we will survive. My point wasn’t to complain about my own situation, so I apologize if that is how it came across. I love all of my kids, and could not imagine not having them. Even so, the two on the way, will come at a cost to the others. My first 5 range from 18 to 13.

I can completely understand those who choose to limit the number of children they have. It is a responsible decision, even if it doesn’t agree with my faith. Maybe some are being selfish, but most are probably just trying to make sure that they can give their kids the attention and time they will need. Not everyone is cut out for raising a large family.


99 posted on 01/27/2009 3:26:23 PM PST by ga medic
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To: NYer

“What is now known as the “right to die movement” is steadily morphing into what will soon become the “oblicagtion (sic) to die movement.””

Very true. There’s a lot of resentment regarding old people and the very sick who are “using up all our resources”. People have hardened over the years.

Warning: NEVER fall for inpatient pallitive care for yourself or a family member. My sister (52 y/o) lasted one day under that label. I agreed to it because they told me she’d be pain free. Well she sure was after a few heavy doses of IV morphine. I arrived the next morning and she was unresponsive and died that afternoon. Insofar as I was concerned it was Euthanasia. I did some investigating and it’s been going on for years. The patients have Cancer or other catastrophic illness so it’s not detected and if it is - well they were endstage Cancer patients.


100 posted on 01/27/2009 5:36:20 PM PST by bronxville
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