Skip to comments.If You Are Contracepting, You Are Part of A Very Big Problem
Posted on 01/27/2009 11:06:53 AM PST by NYer
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If you were 85 now, you could come live with us, as long as you like reptiles and bluegrass music. Unfortunately (for such a scenario), we’re almost as old as you are.
I expect to work until I die, unless Tom becomes a TV star, Elen marries rich, or Pat invents cold fusion and ftl travel.
Definition of the Rich. Anyone who has more money than me.
(Its why the Democrats can always get away with raising Taxes on the Rich, because most folks think they are not rich.)
You actually have a good point there. To be frank, if not for the terrorist scum and the others, it would actually provide a breather for dear old Mother Earth if our population went down for a while.
But unfortunately the Mud-slimes are busy reproducing like crazy and not bothering to educate them except for their demented religion.
The world will fall apart, but not because of pollution, but because there won’t be enough smart, non self destructive people to maintain everything that we have now.
And a pool ;-). But seriesly, paying half what most people of similar income spend on the house leaves us plenty for nine children, pets, a car, a truck, a van, music, wine, charity, education, etc., etc.
I realize that many people live in places with horrific housing costs, compared to ours, but many others don’t.
However having the human race die off solves a host of “problems”. No humans no global warming, no Social Security problem and no one to tear down Lord Obama’s effigies.
First of all, that’s not true. Second, why would you come to a conservative web site, if you believe all the leftwing garbage you hear?
Strangler Figs or kudzu would get the effigies, eventually.
Many times when people say they can’t afford to bring more children in the world, what they actually mean is that they can’t afford a 2nd new car, or trips to Disneyworld. When you have a lot of kids, there are sacrifices to be made, but children are a gift, not a commodity. Right now, the Muslims, who do not contracept, are outnumbering non-Muslims in Europe. Soon, this will be the case in the U.S.
Read the book “Caliphate” - it’s a pretty scary (and demographically accurate) story of what’s in the cards for the near future of Europe.
I assure you that I cannot afford to have more children. I have 5 now, and 2 on the way. It has been a struggle financially, and I truly don’t know how I am going to pay for 2 more, including my wife out of work for a couple months. This has nothing to do with an expensive house or a pool. It has to do with the fact that kids are expensive. Mine don’t wear $200 shoes, and we don’t have a pool. We have never been to Disney World. We are not afraid to make sacrifices, we just have very little left to sacrifice.
Right now, I am praying that my babies will be born healthy and my wife will be ok. I am praying that we will somehow manage to make this work. I don’t give a **** about the Muslim population’s reproduction rate. Until you have been where I am, you really know nothing about this.
More gloom-and-doom nonsense, just like the New Ice Age and Global Warming.
And every great civilization of those times was, by these gloom-and-doom arguments, critically underpopulated.
God bless you for that. I assure you -- I've been posting on these threads for a long time -- no one's comments here were intended to hoist any kind of perpetual breeding program on anyone. Each circumstance is different. The Catholic rule of thumb used to be 4 children, you are well ahead of me and most. The industrialized West's average is, I believe, 1.2 children and that is very sad. The remarks were addressing 1.2, not 5+2.
The criterion of national health is not the absolute population numbers, but worker-to-elderly ratios. They are driven by birth rates.
That’s virtually meaningless, given the number of other factors (death rate, changing definition of “elderly”, productivity per worker, and a plethora of others) that enter into the economic picture.
Who can disagree. Everyone inside the Washington Beltway should be on a cot in a re-education camp in Montana and not driving around posting on blogs.
I agree again! All these are factors. The birth rate is something most easily adjusted. You know how? Ask.
“I find that interesting considering the underclass is breeding like rabbits.”
Don’t blame them for doing the right thing. Your upperclass should be breading like rabbits, too, despite what Nancy Pelosi says. But, then again, how can you afford that new Beemer or pay off that college tuition loan and have children, too? Right?
China's fertility rate is 1.77 children per woman, while India's is 2.76 (and plunging).
This demographic decline is happening everywhere in the world where living standards are increasing. The poorer the country, the higher the fertility rate.
Actually, the other factors are far more easily adjusted. Everyone wants to live longer and to produce more, so no social engineering is required — just good old-fashioned ingenuity.
Yep. The demographic transition is a natural result of social and economic success. Complaints about it are just the usual whines that spew from elitists when people insist on doing what they think is best rather than doing what the elitists think is best for them.
This is only an issue because we have set up a socialist pyramid scheme of pensions, medicare and the like.
With people living longer and having less children, a system where people get to retire at 65 and be supported by the working population is simply untenable.
I never experienced a need for extra ingenuity while making children.
Huh? So, you are pinning your argument on the premise that Stalinism is superior to the (partly) free body politic of modern Russia, Comrade Antoninus?
Yes, it is. Another part that's not going to work much longer is non-working people's being supported by the working population their entire lives.
The modern social-welfare state is an experiment that has failed. The outcome of the failure is not yet evident to most voters, but it's going to kick people where they live "soon," in global-history terms. Those who are old (70s-80s) now may not realize what happened, but many of those now 50s and 60s may find themselves "lives not worth living" a lot sooner than they expect.
(The fact that this particular advance is fairly recent is a more comprehensive rebuttal to your earlier point, such as it is, than the specific example of post-Soviet Russia.)
"I'll take 'Arguments commonly used by Antoninus' for $400...."
The modern welfare state worked when (a) there were 8+ workers for every retired person; (b) there was a sense of shame attached to being on the dole; and (c) retirees died at 70, rather then 85.
None of these are really applicable anymore. The system will inevitably collapse under its own weight. It's just a question of how much damage it will do on its way down.
On this issue, people didn't need much convincing. The rise of effective and cheap birth control, coupled with the overturning of the laws that banned contraception, was more than enough to make tens of millions of Americans go out and control their fertility.
For most people, women especially, unregulated fertility is a nuisance and a limitation.
If my husband and I had waited until we could afford to have children, we never would have had any. We have been blessed with four so far and wouldn’t change a thing.
When conditions changed, in large part due to the effects of the new system, it began to crash. It's not yet quite in free-fall (defined as massive, unmistakable societal disruption) but it's only a matter of time.
Russia first, or Japan? Certainly Europe falls to the Moslems before the U.S. goes belly-up, since we have a larger and more resilient citizen population and less-hostile immigrants, overall.
All I can say is, God Bless you and your wonderful family. Maybe you can’t see it hnow, but you are so blessed. Please count your blessings, and the rest will take care of itself. You may not be able to provide all the worldly goods, but you have more riches than those who have beautiful homes and no children. Please hang in there. You will survive and will look back at these times, I hope, with very fond memories.
One more thing. I don’t have 7 children, but I do have 4. They are all grown now, but when they were small, and I had the first 3 in in a 3 year period, we were struggling as well. We had some IRS problems, which kept our income very low, and we were struggling to make ends meet as well. It was very hard, and I broke down in tears the week before Christmas because things looked so bleak. I have been where you are, and I wouldn’t give one of my children back so that my husband and I wouldn’t have had to struggle. Things have gotten easier for us now, and I’d be willing to bet that this will happen to you as well.
Children are expensive...no I am happy to have the four and hopefully provide for them in these tough times...I may live in a rich nation, but I am not rich
Muslims strap bombs on their kids...so they need more.
God blessed me with four lovely children, but I still have to feed them and clothe them...welfare moms get criticized all the time for doing this.
Thank you Patrick for your efforts to reveal the truth about birth control, euthanasia, loss of respect for life.
Terry Schiavo X 10,000’s, slowly, quietly.
Reminds me of the saying,
‘God forgives but nature never forgives.’
We will indeed reap what we sow.
“Things have gotten easier for us now, and Id be willing to bet that this will happen to you as well.”
Thanks. That probably isn’t true for a lot of reasons, but we will survive. My point wasn’t to complain about my own situation, so I apologize if that is how it came across. I love all of my kids, and could not imagine not having them. Even so, the two on the way, will come at a cost to the others. My first 5 range from 18 to 13.
I can completely understand those who choose to limit the number of children they have. It is a responsible decision, even if it doesn’t agree with my faith. Maybe some are being selfish, but most are probably just trying to make sure that they can give their kids the attention and time they will need. Not everyone is cut out for raising a large family.
“What is now known as the right to die movement is steadily morphing into what will soon become the oblicagtion (sic) to die movement.”
Very true. There’s a lot of resentment regarding old people and the very sick who are “using up all our resources”. People have hardened over the years.
Warning: NEVER fall for inpatient pallitive care for yourself or a family member. My sister (52 y/o) lasted one day under that label. I agreed to it because they told me she’d be pain free. Well she sure was after a few heavy doses of IV morphine. I arrived the next morning and she was unresponsive and died that afternoon. Insofar as I was concerned it was Euthanasia. I did some investigating and it’s been going on for years. The patients have Cancer or other catastrophic illness so it’s not detected and if it is - well they were endstage Cancer patients.