Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Kmiec considers himself a candidate for Vatican ambassadorship
CNA ^ | January 27, 2009

Posted on 01/27/2009 3:15:55 PM PST by NYer

Malibu, Jan 26, 2009 / 07:23 pm (CNA).- Pepperdine University law professor Doug Kmiec, a pro-life advocate of President Barack Obama’s election, has stated that he thinks he will be considered as a choice for U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See.

Kmiec and his wife attended a private worship service with President Obama the morning of the presidential inauguration and also attended the Illinois inaugural ball that evening, Pepperdine’s student newspaper The Graphic reports.

"The President is nowhere close to determining such things because of the order of events … everyone's first order of business is economic recovery," Kmiec said, according to The Graphic. "At the appropriate time, when diplomatic relations through the State Department need to be addressed, I think my name would be part of the discussion."

Kmiec, who served as legal counsel for the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations, has recently been criticized for his contention that a pro-life Catholic could vote for Obama in good conscience.

The U.S. Ambassador under George W. Bush, Mary Ann Glendon submitted her resignation to the White House prior to President Obama's Inauguration, as is customary for all ambassadors when a new President is elected, reports Inside the Vatican.

In a Catholic News Service Story updated on January 26, after the first Vatican negative reaction to the Obama administration, John Thavis wrote: "the Vatican is closely watching for Obama's choice of a new U.S. ambassador to the Vatican. An early appointment would be viewed at the Vatican as a sign of the president's interest and attention to the Holy See."

The choice of ambassador is, of course, up to the president. One informed Vatican official dismissed an earlier report that the Vatican, in a nod toward conservative Catholics, might veto the appointment of a high-profile Catholic supporter of Obama. Rejecting an ambassador for those kinds of political motives is not in the tradition of Vatican diplomacy and would, in fact, be very dangerous, the official said."

President Obama’s reversal of the Mexico City Policy, which had prohibited federal funding of international groups that promote or perform abortions, prompted Vatican officials’ first critical response of his presidency.

Archbishop Rino Fisichella, President of the Pontifical Academy for Life, has criticized "Among the many good things that he could have done, Barack Obama instead has chosen the worst," he said.

"I do not believe that those who voted for him (Obama) took into consideration ethical themes, which were astutely left aside during the election debate. The majority of the American population does not take the same position as the president and his team."

In November, a Vatican official with the Secretary of State denied that Prof. Kmiec has a chance of becoming a U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See, telling CNA under condition of anonymity "This will never happen."

CNA recently consulted the same official, who said:

"Obviously the Holy See will not openly veto Kmiec's appointment. But the process is not that simple. There are always back channel consultations with the (Vatican) Secretary of State, and there is no chance that he (Kmiec) will pass that test.

"There are many ways to tell the Obama administration way in advance that such an appointment would not be a good idea. There are many other candidates, Catholic or not, that would not spark the kind of antagonism and division that Professor Kmiec has sparked, as he himself has recently admitted," the official told CNA.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bho44; catholic; catholicvote; kmiec; vatican

1 posted on 01/27/2009 3:15:55 PM PST by NYer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 01/27/2009 3:16:36 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Selling his soul for a mass of pottage.


3 posted on 01/27/2009 3:21:26 PM PST by Miss Marple
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I am glad I was not eating or drinking a glass of wine while reading this...I am afraid my MacBook Pro would have taken a bath.


4 posted on 01/27/2009 3:22:57 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (You tell me that you've got everything you want, And your bird can sing, But you don't get me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Well, this is a marginally interesting version of Pay for Play, isn’t it?


5 posted on 01/27/2009 3:22:57 PM PST by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

He is a legend in his own mind.


6 posted on 01/27/2009 3:23:03 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Kmiec a pro-life advocate?must be a misprint?


7 posted on 01/27/2009 3:24:22 PM PST by ardara
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xsmommy; NeoCaveman

the EGO at work here.....amazing. hardly the words of a humble, God fearing man.


8 posted on 01/27/2009 3:24:47 PM PST by tioga
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I hope the Vatican would send him back postage due.


9 posted on 01/27/2009 3:38:46 PM PST by Andyman (The truth shall make you FReep.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

We see that for which the minion of Satan sold his soul.

If he gets it, one hopes he enjoys it, as he will likely pay dearly and eternally for it.


10 posted on 01/27/2009 3:40:54 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
+

Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

11 posted on 01/27/2009 3:49:35 PM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Candidate for burning at the stake.

Pride, the root of all evil.


12 posted on 01/27/2009 3:52:21 PM PST by AliVeritas (They serve Moloch/Ba'al. Prepare for punishment. Socialist Occupation, Day 7)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Andyman

I sent the vatican and CDF all of his writings, including his recent bashing of pro-life Catholics in print.

I also explained the struggles I had with priests, the faithful due to his support and obstinate will to misrepresent Obama’s stance to get the Catholic vote.
That along with the America mag column his friend wrote were horrible. Oh, and the lying cache of Obama’s prolife and Catholics for Obama sites.


13 posted on 01/27/2009 3:56:56 PM PST by AliVeritas (They serve Moloch/Ba'al. Prepare for punishment. Socialist Occupation, Day 7)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: NYer

“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

—Mark 8:36


14 posted on 01/27/2009 3:57:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Excuse me while I yak!


15 posted on 01/27/2009 4:04:07 PM PST by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

If Kmiec is appointed by Obama and confirmed by the Senate, I hope Pope Benedict excommunicates him and sends him home when he shows up.


16 posted on 01/27/2009 4:05:03 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I wonder if the Holy See has ever PNGed an ambassador on arrival.


17 posted on 01/27/2009 4:10:43 PM PST by RichInOC (RATZ: YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO ARRIVE MAKE YOUR TIME.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

The Judas Goat as Ambassador to the Vatican? Great humor and irony there.


18 posted on 01/27/2009 4:12:28 PM PST by jwalsh07
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RichInOC

PNG?


19 posted on 01/27/2009 4:16:41 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Persona non grata


20 posted on 01/27/2009 4:27:05 PM PST by I-ambush
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Declare him Persona Non Grata. Throw him out, basically. In this case, it’d be before he was really in.


21 posted on 01/27/2009 4:28:26 PM PST by RichInOC (RATZ: YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO ARRIVE MAKE YOUR FLIGHT. HA HA HA HA....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: NYer

“There are many ways to tell the Obama administration way in advance that such an appointment would not be a good idea. There are many other candidates, Catholic or not, that would not spark the kind of antagonism and division that Professor Kmiec has sparked, as he himself has recently admitted,” the official told CNA.”

The Vatican doesn’t want him and will even take a non-Catholic over him. Says a lot.

How on earth could this individual face the Vatican after he sold his soul to the devil. He’s got a real nerve.


22 posted on 01/27/2009 4:33:29 PM PST by bronxville
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Sockmonkey considers him a candidate for an Exorcism.


23 posted on 01/27/2009 5:28:53 PM PST by sockmonkey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

In prior years, were ambassadors to the Holy See afforded immunity from the Roman Inquisition?


24 posted on 01/27/2009 5:38:07 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

I doubt that the Pope would accept him.


25 posted on 01/27/2009 5:43:50 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tioga

unbelievable hubris; it’s breathtaking.


26 posted on 01/27/2009 6:40:06 PM PST by xsmommy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Sorry, that made me spit tea on the keyboard. What a pathetic, delusional person.


27 posted on 01/27/2009 6:58:59 PM PST by Tax-chick (I will not be silenced.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sitetest

You nailed it all along.


28 posted on 01/27/2009 6:59:32 PM PST by Tax-chick (I will not be silenced.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: NYer
He can't be ambassador with a name like that!

How the hell do you pronounce it.....Ke-meck....Ke-me-ick....Kem-ick......Ker-mit........

29 posted on 01/27/2009 7:23:42 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Ahh... so what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and lose his soul in the process?


30 posted on 01/27/2009 7:29:44 PM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (If you defend baby-killing in this life, you will have no defense in the after-life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

I should have read the other posts before I posted. I guess it’s all very obvious.


31 posted on 01/27/2009 7:31:51 PM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (If you defend baby-killing in this life, you will have no defense in the after-life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I wouldn’t put it past Obama to pick a so-called “Catholic” such as Gavin Newsom or Frances Kissling, thinking that he’d score some political victory over Pope Benedict XVI and the Catholic Church.


32 posted on 01/27/2009 7:39:24 PM PST by Loyalist (It is my privilege to extend a laurel and hardy handshake to our new...president.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

In a larger point, isn’t Kmiec merely a child of that unfortunate confluence of Vatican II and the social/sexual revolution of the sixties? This is why a return to the timeless traditions of the Church, including the traditional (yes, Latin) Mass is vital. No traditional Church, no traditional doctrine...or values.


33 posted on 01/28/2009 3:57:19 AM PST by steve8714 (How do you know your tattoo doesn't read "I love Mangina" in Chinese?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

#1 It would be nice if the Ambassador to the Vatican were Catholic; Kmiec does not qualify
#2. Rather than making a trip to Rome, Kmiec should make a stop first at the confessional.


34 posted on 01/28/2009 8:03:06 AM PST by veritas2002
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I hope Benedict XVI refuses to accept Kmiec’s credentials. He provided a lot of cover for Democrat Catholics to vote for Obama. By doing so, he played a material role in advancing the Culture of Death worldwide. He needs to be held accountable.


35 posted on 01/28/2009 9:08:03 AM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Of course he is. Does anyone think his controversial, Obama-supporting stance was an accident?


36 posted on 01/28/2009 9:31:58 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

So now we know why he was vigorously osculating 0bama’a dorsum.


37 posted on 01/28/2009 9:35:03 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cicero
"Lose" his soul???

SOB didn't lose it. He threw it away!

38 posted on 01/28/2009 9:36:29 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Antoninus
I hope Benedict XVI refuses to accept Kmiec’s credentials.

Doubtful. I think the Holy Father will choose not to make waves with Obama by snubbing his pick. There's already contention in U.S.-Vatican relations. That said, I think it may be a good thing for Kmiec to get the post and have direct exposure to Vatican reps who can hopefully get him back on the right track.

39 posted on 01/28/2009 9:37:39 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard

If he gets selected, instead of condemning his soul to hell, we should pray even more that direct exposure to Vatican officials will straighten him out.


40 posted on 01/28/2009 9:39:23 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Rutles4Ever

It would seem that we should pray for the repentance and conversion of the entire 0bama administration.


41 posted on 01/28/2009 9:41:17 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard

Of course, but Kmiec is playing the Prodigal Son here. Can we at least hope his proximity to the Vatican will wake him up?


42 posted on 01/28/2009 9:44:15 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard

“Lose” his soul???
SOB didn’t lose it. He threw it away!

Maybe you should write a New, New, New version of the King James Bible.


43 posted on 01/28/2009 10:09:47 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: NYer
Obviously the Holy See will not openly veto Kmiec's appointment.

Well THAT'S unfortunate - not much I'd like better to see.

44 posted on 01/28/2009 10:31:27 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Rutles4Ever
Of course, but Kmiec is playing the Prodigal Son here.

Could we just enjoy the spectacle of him eating some husks before he gets the fatted calf? I know I'm being petty.

45 posted on 01/28/2009 10:33:32 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: NYer
A public apostate from the Faith as ambassador to the principal See of the Faith from which he apostasized?

What's the matter? Isn't Obama-rumpswab and Catholic apostate Minnesota Representative Keith Ellison available?

46 posted on 01/28/2009 12:45:13 PM PST by TaxachusettsMan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: narses

Delusional.


47 posted on 01/28/2009 1:41:09 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: sockmonkey

Are you TEX on www.bloggingtheboys.com? He always speaks in 3rd person about himself too and I see you are from Texas. I hope you are not him, lol.


48 posted on 01/29/2009 8:02:49 AM PST by SaintDismas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: SaintDismas
I see you are from Texas. I hope you are not him, lol.

Nope, never even heard of that site. BTW, I think the post you saw was the only time I've referred to myself in third person on FR.

49 posted on 01/29/2009 8:51:23 AM PST by sockmonkey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson