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THE IGNORANT FISHERMEN BLOG ^ | 2/7/09 | DJP I.F.

Posted on 02/07/2009 6:16:04 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

World Net Daily has done it again and is also on the cutting edge informing the world. As I was making the rounds on my favorite news web sites, I saw the title on WND - Stimulus to ban religious worship. As I started to read the piece I was amazed to find what also was stuffed into this big pork sandwich called the “Stimulus bill”. This “Stimulus bill” was written totally for and by the Socialist Left Democratic Party of America. The ingredients of this bill are 93 % pork and 7% stimulus. This Stimulus bill is none other then a Trojan horse full of bureaucracy and a leftist leaning agenda to dramatically change the course of the United States of America forever. What is most alarming is that this bill will most likely pass. We as a nation are on the precipice of absolute social change and full blown secular socialism. Our leaders in Washington are seeking more and more power. This bill is an absolute abomination to all that our founding Fathers held so dear and fought so hard to preserve. At the core of our Founders ideal was the Freedom of Religious practice. Our country was founded on these very Judean/Christian values, everything that the Left hates and despises.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bloggersandpersonal; deceive; hiddenagenda; socialism
THE LEFT- THOSE DIRTY DOGS...
1 posted on 02/07/2009 6:16:04 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

The fate of our offspring rests upon our shoulders.

its time to arm the bears


2 posted on 02/07/2009 6:22:55 PM PST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman; freekitty; Clintonfatigued; celtic gal

The details of this sinister destruction of America by Zero and the US Congress needs to be up on billboards across the country.


3 posted on 02/07/2009 6:23:10 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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Dear FRiends,

In light of what is transpiring in our nation's capitol this weekend, more than ever, we need to ensure that places like Free Republic and other like-minded places continue to speak the plain truth. Newspapers are dying and the current administation will either bail them out or allow them to fail. If they are bailed out, they will be even more beholding to the coming socialist agenda. If they are allowed to fail, the powers that be will force the remaining electronic media to fill the void. Local coverage only. No national syndicated news/talk. The "Fairness Doctrine", like it or not.

After that, the internet. Free Republic. And others.

We need to get this FReepathon over and right now. We need to show that we are serious and will continue forward and thrive, not just survive.

If you can spare a couple of bucks, that would be great...If not, God bless you and please stop by the FReepathon thread and give it a bump.

We're all in this together.

4 posted on 02/07/2009 6:23:47 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR......Monthly Donors Wanted)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

To all........ did you see Sen. DeMint’s you tube. It will blow you away! To arms! To arms!


5 posted on 02/07/2009 6:28:04 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman (Dave (the Truth shall set you free..republic)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

http://stimuluswatch.org/


6 posted on 02/07/2009 6:29:49 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

WND is exaggerating again, as usual.


7 posted on 02/07/2009 6:29:54 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

The claim that the stimulus bill limits religious liberty is way overblown (WorldNutDaily — big surprise).

It says that government money intended for building improvements can’t be spent on buildings that are “used for worship.” The WND article claims that a student praying in a dormitory may cause it to qualify as a building “used for worship.”

This is nonesense, as the bill pretty clearly is discussing institution, not personal, uses of the buildings. If the university sponsors prayer meetings in the dorm, it MIGHT fall under this provision — if someone wants to be a jerk about it. But if it’s just students praying of their own volition, it doesn’t apply.


8 posted on 02/07/2009 6:30:16 PM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

obama.exe, smash your hard drive with a hammer and start over.


9 posted on 02/07/2009 6:30:30 PM PST by allmost
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Communist Party Hails New Obama Era
Just in case anyone is still under any delusion just how far left Mr. Obama and the Democrat Party are, here is a reminder the head of the Communist Party USA. http://sweetness-light.com/archive/communist-party-hails-new-obama-era#comments


10 posted on 02/07/2009 6:31:22 PM PST by anglian
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To: gracesdad

Yo..did you see the DeMint you tube from the senate floor...my man.. look into it a little my brother...


11 posted on 02/07/2009 6:32:05 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman (Dave (the Truth shall set you free..republic)
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To: Mr. Know It All
"...if someone wants to be a jerk about it."

If the disingenuous jerks wrote such insidious language into this trecherous bill, you think they're not going to be dangerous jerks after this piece of dog-doo passes? Since when should Marxists be trusted?

12 posted on 02/07/2009 8:11:19 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: EverOnward
If the disingenuous jerks wrote such insidious language into this trecherous bill, you think they're not going to be dangerous jerks after this piece of dog-doo passes? Since when should Marxists be trusted?
You are assuming that the people who wrote this provision had the intention of enforcing it like that. I don't see any evidence for this assumption. Indeed, any attempt to enforce it like that will probably end up in court and common sense will prevail.

Of all the problems with the bill, I can't believe anyone is getting worked up over this one.

13 posted on 02/07/2009 8:24:50 PM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I agree with this.


14 posted on 02/07/2009 8:37:52 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Just whose version of religious truth would you have the government subsidize, TIF, surely not those of the Mohammedans; what about those of “Christian” heretics?


15 posted on 02/08/2009 5:40:49 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Biblical truth is forever. There are many different views of biblical truth, some left some right. As we live here in time(existence)..Moral truth must dominate. Just look at the history of the world. There has never been a Nation as the USA which was founded on Judean/Christian values. We are not a perfect nation but no nation has ever done as much as the USA in restraining the evil that has been in the world. In Time - religious freedom to worship whatever as long as Conservative and moral values are practiced - But Biblical Christianity is Key. These are the best values to contain the fallen humanity of man. For Eternity One Needs to know the Christ of Holy Scriptures as Savior to be delivered from the wrath to come John 3:16,17. Time and eternity are two different existences. Time is temporal, Eternity is forever. Morality for time, Christ for eternity. You have to choose to believe!

http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2009/01/you-have-existence-do-you-have-life.html

16 posted on 02/08/2009 12:57:44 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman (Dave (the Truth shall set you free..republic)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“There has never been a Nation as the USA which was founded on Judean/Christian values.”

That’s simply untrue. Christian nations, as committed, if not more so, to Christian values as America, existed for rather more than 1000 years before anyone ever heard of the U.S. These Christian societies determined what “Biblical Christianity” is by determining what the canon of Scripture would be.


17 posted on 02/08/2009 1:21:07 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

There is a separate forum here on FR for bloggers and vanity posts. You might consider taking advantage of it.


18 posted on 02/08/2009 4:00:49 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: Kolokotronis

Well name some..Great Britan maybe?


19 posted on 02/08/2009 6:41:12 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman (Dave (the Truth shall set you free..republic)
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To: Mr. Know It All

20 posted on 02/08/2009 6:47:22 PM PST by Colonial Warrior (Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.)
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To: Eye of Unk
its time to arm the bears

Yup.


21 posted on 02/08/2009 6:51:04 PM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“Well name some..Great Britan maybe?”

The Byzantine Empire, Georgia, Armenia, Russia, Ukraine Ethiopia, Serbia....Shall I go on?


22 posted on 02/08/2009 7:01:24 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Oh, and I meant to add, whatever other virtues British Christians may have had in the 8th century, or earlier for that matter, they had nothing to do with the establishment of the canon of Scripture.


23 posted on 02/08/2009 7:04:05 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Well that is true...but ...these were dominated by monarchs and Catholic and Greek Orthodox principalities.....shall I go on..lol!! The remenant of those who wanted religious freedom..to Worship God with out Monarch or Papal persecution...flead to America to worship God with a newly printed English Bible (1570-1610) in their own language with out losing their head or being burning at a stake for having one!...how bout them apples..lol! that my dear friend is what sets America apart from Others..”Christian nations. Just look at the fruit of America compared to those other “Christain" nations....
No nation has done so much for humanity then the USA..in such a short time. True we have had are problems..but we have preserved the world from destruction countless times. Many call them self Christians but reject God's Word..that is called an apostate! Don't be hating..lol! God Save and Bless America! I.F.
24 posted on 02/09/2009 2:45:32 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman (Dave (the Truth shall set you free..republic))
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To: topcat54

Yo... you sound like a lib..Humm..A seminar Freeper...Yo my man..don’t be hating...it’s an open forum..and Obama hasn’t taking all our freedoms yet don’t take away mine..lol!


25 posted on 02/09/2009 2:49:09 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman (Dave (the Truth shall set you free..republic))
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“...flead to America to worship God with a newly printed English Bible (1570-1610) in their own language with out losing their head or being burning at a stake for having one!...how bout them apples..lol!”

Greeks and Arabs and Copts and Slavs and Amenians, as well as Christians in Iraq, Iran and India have worshiped God in their own languages since day 1. That The Church in the West used Latin and enforced its usage with an axe is no fault of The Church in East, TIF. We had nothing to do with that. Don’t fall into the trap of applying history made up to justify protestant animosity towards the Roman Church to Eastern Christianity.

“to Worship God with out Monarch or Papal persecution...flead to America to worship God with a newly printed English Bible (1570-1610) in their own language with out losing their head or being burning at a stake for having one!...how bout them apples..lol! that my dear friend is what sets America apart from Others..””

I am astonished that you show neither knowledge of nor appreciation for the 1400 years of oppression Christians in the East have suffered under the grinding boot of Mohammedanism AND YET PRESERVED THE FAITH INVIOLATE TO THIS DAY, the devastating attacks of “Christian” America on behalf of Mohammedan jihadis to the contrary notwithstanding.

“No nation has done so much for humanity then the USA..in such a short time. True we have had are problems..but we have preserved the world from destruction countless times.”

That, TIF, is demonstrably untrue. History’s march is longer that the few hundred years America has been around. I will grant you that no nation has ever done more, as a non Mohammedan nation, for the expansion of Islam at the expense of Christianity than America has the past 30 years or so.


26 posted on 02/09/2009 2:57:42 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; The Ignorant Fisherman

I would add that whether the worship in the Latin Church was in Latin rather than the vernaculars has nothing to do with the Christian values Medieval Europe was built upon.


27 posted on 02/09/2009 3:18:03 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; The Ignorant Fisherman

“I would add that whether the worship in the Latin Church was in Latin rather than the vernaculars has nothing to do with the Christian values Medieval Europe was built upon.”

Exactly.


28 posted on 02/09/2009 3:21:45 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Yo... you sound like a lib..Humm..A seminar Freeper...Yo my man..don’t be hating...it’s an open forum..and Obama hasn’t taking all our freedoms yet don’t take away mine..lol!

Not at all. It's just that vanity blog postings clutter this forum, esp. ones that start off extolling the virtues of World Nut Daily. “Stimulus to ban religious worship” Yeah, sure. Obama is the antichrist, and all that. Boy cries wolf.

Try the bloggers forum. You'll like it.

29 posted on 02/09/2009 5:29:38 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: topcat54

There’s countless posts... let alone this one on the FR religious forum. don’t check them out then. I think you should go back to listening to Air America...your a seminar freeper...no conservative would ever state to limit speech and slam WND... a lot of us out here no your a commie...Good news on that stiulus bill...right..lol..Never said your hero Obama is the anti christ on the -RELIGIOUS FORUM ON FR- LOL!


30 posted on 02/10/2009 5:27:31 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman (Dave (the Truth shall set you free..republic))
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To: Kolokotronis

My friend...Judean/Christian Values never governed a nation as the have America


31 posted on 02/10/2009 5:29:46 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman (Dave (the Truth shall set you free..republic))
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To: gracesdad

You are a leftist. WND is right about this. You hang quietly below the radar.


32 posted on 02/10/2009 5:31:04 PM PST by dforest (life is now good again....he has been inaugurated)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

People should just read the bill (yes it’s long) on their own.

Don’t someone else filter to to you what’s in it.

http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf


33 posted on 02/10/2009 5:32:52 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (A tagline is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
"My friend...Judean/Christian Values never governed a nation as the have America"

There are those here who would most heartily agree with that and thank-God for it...though not for the reasons you doubtless believe.

Orthodox Christians would argue that "Judeo/Christian Values" of the highest order formed the basis of every element of the governing of the Eastern Roman Empire for at least 1000 years. Copts would argue that those same values formed the basis of the government and society of Ethiopia for substantially longer than that. There are other examples, TIF.

Now, if what you mean to say is that a particular subset of Calvinist values never governed a nation as those values have America, I think we could find a consensus to stand behind that one.

34 posted on 02/10/2009 5:44:48 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
no conservative would ever state to limit speech and slam WND

Oh, come now. No one is limiting anyone's speech, unless having distinct, separate forums for appropriate content on FR is a form of limiting speech. The blogger forum was created for content such as yours.

As for World Nut Daily, it tends to the sensationalist end of the spectrum at times.

And I don't need to defend my conservative credentials with your sort.

a lot of us out here no your a commie...Good news on that stiulus bill...right..lol..Never said your hero Obama is the anti christ on the -RELIGIOUS FORUM ON FR- LOL!

This response is typical of the radical fringe of conservatism.

35 posted on 02/10/2009 5:53:53 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: indylindy

WND is no more reliable — and probably less so — than the liberal MSM. Not saying they aren’t right on a rare occasion.


36 posted on 02/10/2009 7:25:26 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: topcat54
My friend..I was just giving it to you a little...you see like a grumpy ol man..lol...

I post on this particular forum (Religion) because that is the topic majority of what we blog on. I like the feed back positive and negative. It helps me to be rooted in my Faith In Jesus Christ and to test what I believe. I just suggest next time you see a post of ours..just walk on by..
Thanks and God Bless!
Dave

37 posted on 02/11/2009 9:00:12 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman (Dave (the Truth shall set you free..republic))
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