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To: GonzoII

“If those in authority in the West (with no disrespect to the Orthodox) determine that the original Greek creed should be used then so be it, I will remain obedient to Church authorities.”

My understanding is that at the Vatican the filioque is no longer used if one of our hierarchs is lurking about on the altar and never if the Creed is said in Greek.

The issue has been discussed on the sidelines of the dialogs of late. Apparently the consensus is that the agreed statement be adopted but frankly its a side issue now. The main event is the proper exercise of the Petrine Office. Once that is solved, an ecumenical council will likely have little trouble dealing with the filioque and the various other dogmas proclaimed sua sponte by the Latin Church since the Great Schism. At one level its a shame that the agreed statement has not been officially adopted since the very existence of the filioque is often cited as an example of Roman contempt for the dogmas of the 7 Ecumenical Councils. As you can imagine, that’s not helpful.

“Having said that, I fraternally hope that my Orthodox brothers will not take offense if I post or refer to an almost eight hundred year old catechism that (regardless of any official decrees that may come regarding the creed) was written by a very respected and affectionately loved Saint.”

Don’t worry about it! We in the East have the same respect for +Thomas Aquinas’ works as he himself did at the end of his life! :)


6 posted on 02/09/2009 8:47:33 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think both Orthodox and Latin authorities have agreed, the linguistic side of the Filioque controversy is that Latin has only one word for “proceed” and Greek has (at least) two (subtly different) words for it.

I’ve read somewhere that if the language was “proceeds from the Father THROUGH the Son” the Orthodox would not object.

Of course the fact that the Latin Church unilaterally decided to add “and from the Son” without an ecumenical council is also the major cause for schism (besides all the political/social squabbles of the day...probably the most influential in AD 1054).

Anyway, Rome and the Orthodox have their own issues with the likes of myself, a classical magisterial Protestant.


8 posted on 02/09/2009 9:02:50 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: Kolokotronis
We in the East have the same respect for +Thomas Aquinas’ works as he himself did at the end of his life!

A good reminder. I think maybe his feelings then were for all theology - or reducing mystery to reason and words - maybe even for words themselves, since, I believe, he fell silent himself.

Theology is a necessary evil at times, I like the approach of building the walls out as far as possible.

9 posted on 02/09/2009 10:39:03 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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