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CHRISTIANITY DEFINED - (LDS Site Defining Christianity) OPEN
LDS site Foundation for Christian Studies ^

Posted on 02/22/2009 7:00:41 AM PST by greyfoxx39

Edited on 02/22/2009 8:24:57 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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CHRISTIAN DEFINED
 

One might think that defining a Christian would be simple. Webster’s Dictionary defines the word Christian to mean “adherent of Christianity”, or “relating to or professing a belief in Christianity or Jesus Christ.” Simply put, a Christian is defined as one who believes in Jesus Christ.

The Encyclopedia Britannica states: “…writers of Christian history normally begin phenomenologically when discussing Christian identity; that is, they do not bring norms or standards by which they have determined the truth of this or that branch of Christianity or even of the faith tradition as a whole but identify everyone as Christian who call themselves Christian.” According to Britannica, a revered source in continuous publication since 1768, a Christian is plainly defined as someone who calls themselves a Christian.

Some Refute the Defining of a Christian
Despite the simplicity of the aforementioned definitions, there are some individuals and institutions who sternly contend that there are self-described Christians, and in fact entire sects of self-proclaimed Christian religions, who should not be considered Christians at all. As odd as this may seem, such allegations are common and emotionally charged. The website religioustolerance.org attempted to define a Christian and described the exercise as a “lightning rod,” and that the conclusions they came up with generated “many emails from angry Christians who denounce it,” especially among “Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Protestants.” The FCS encourages visitors to examine the content generated by religioustolderance.org on the subject of defining a Christian .


Reminiscent of the Pharisees of old, the contentious individuals and institutions who deny the Christianity of others often utilize their personal interpretation of scripture and synthetic dogma to support their assertions. They contend the privilege of earning the Christian label is dependent on such things as being born again, believing in the Triune God, accepting certain creeds, and/or belonging to a particular faith community. The absurdity of the dynamic reaches its pinnacle when those who bear testimony of their devotion to Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and Redeemer are rebuked and denied the Christian marker by those who disagree with their religion and/or theological beliefs. It causes one to ponder—what would Jesus do?

Historical Perspective
The word “Christian” appears three times in the scriptures, all three in the New Testament. Acts 11:26 reveals that the Disciples of Christ were first referred to as Christians in Antioch, indicating those who followed Christ were starting to be referred to as Christians. Before that time it was common for those who followed Christ to refer to one another as brothers (or brethren), disciples, or believers. In Acts 26:20 King Agrippa tells Paul “Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian,” likely indicating the term “Christian” was beginning to be used (perhaps even regularly) to refer to a believer in Christ. In 1 Peter 4:16, Peter refers to those who would “suffer as a Christian,” signifying that those who consider themselves Christian should be happy in their persecutions and trials. In all three scriptural references that use the term Christian, not one denotes any further requirement to be a Christian other than believing in and following Jesus Christ.

In the Greek language (ancient and modern) it’s common to refer to a group of people by taking the root geographic location or ethnicity of that people and to add the suffix “anos.” For instance, those from the Cretan village of Spili are referred to as Spilianos, and a follower of Mohammed (Moameth in Greek) is referred to as Moamethanos. The reference to Christians in the original Greek translation of the New Testament is Christianos, meaning a follower of Christ. Although the term Christianos is historically believed to have been used in a derogatory sense by unbelievers, the meaning of the word remains.

When one combines the three New Testament references to Christian, the historical context of the time, and the linguistics of the original Greek, one must conclude that a Christian is simply one who follows and/or believes in Christ. Should one desire to create a deeper definition of a Christian using 1 Peter 4:16, then the most far reaching conclusion that can be drawn is that a Christian is one who not only follows Christ, but more deeply puts their trust in him, is reliant upon him, and seeks to live a life that exemplifies him—all difficult traits to quantify and thus of little value in defining a Christian.

The Testimony of an Apostle as a Litmus Test
One would never doubt the testimony of the apostle Peter, despite the fact he had his own moments of weakness during the trial and Atonement of Christ. When asked by the Savior “But whom say ye that I am?” Peter boldly replied, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God, ” to which Jesus Christ confirmed “Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven” (Matt. 16;15-17). Perhaps we can use Peter’s testimony as a litmus test for all prospective Christians: do they believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God? If the answer is affirmative, then they are indeed a Christian.

Jesus Christ in Humility was Inclusionary
Jesus Christ never administered any theological exams to his disciplines, nor established any notable prerequisites to being a Christian other than to believe on him as the Son of God. Many were healed of the vilest of infirmities by simply believing in Jesus Christ as one who had the authority to perform such healings. There is no mention in the scriptures that the healed were made whole because they embraced the doctrine of the trinity, nor because they were classified as born again, nor because they belonged to a particular sect of believers. They were healed because they believed, or were blessed to have a believer intercede on their behalf, that Jesus was the Christ. Jesus was never one to be exclusionary in his ministry, but rather inclusionary across a broad spectrum. This is beautifully illustrated in Luke 9:49-50 which reads: “And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.” Jesus did not ask about their specific belief system, nor what group of disciples they congregated with. Rather, Jesus proclaimed that those who act in His name are to be considered His disciples. Many Christians today would do well to understand this passage of scripture and apply it to their own actions towards others.

The World in Pride is Exclusionary
If Jesus was so inclusionary, why then do we have modern day Pharisees fighting so hard to narrow the definition of a Christian—even to the persecution of fellow Christians? Do these individuals, like the apostle John in the passage from Luke 9, seek for a more exclusive club and complain when others call themselves Christian but don’t practice the same rituals or beliefs as they do?

The likely root of the reason for such passionate denials of Christianity upon others is pride and arrogance. Such pride can manifest itself into a fear of not clearly understanding the theological beliefs of others, nor taking the time to earnestly do so, thus resulting in the easier resolution of flatly denying to acknowledge another’s Christianity. There may be fear that such acknowledgement will lead to acceptance of another’s beliefs leading to a loss of membership or validity in their own religion.

Greed may play a role in the denial of the Christian label by ecclesiastical leaders resisting the loss of tithe paying members by employing a strategy of quiet slander towards other denominations. Additionally, one cannot rule out the possibility of Saul’s Syndrome, where like Saul who persecuted the Christians of old out of his zeal for the law, well intentioned individuals seek to protect the faith—when in essence they are fighting against the true will of God.

Excerpt from the article on Saul's Syndrome: in keeping others from the truth. Consider the Pharisee Saul before his radical conversion to the Lord when he afterwards became Paul. Through his disciplined spiritual education among the finest teachers in Jerusalem, and an unrivaled passion to protect the ways of the Lord as he knew it, Saul persecuted and fought against the spread of Christianity—even unto death among those he victimized. Paul was so blinded by his passion for what he believed to be right that he never considered that his interpretation of the scriptures and his spiritual belief system may be wrong. It wasn’t until the Lord himself appeared to Saul that he relinquished his incorrect interpretation of God’s doctrine and embraced the true gospel. How many millions today suffer from the same syndrome as Saul where religious passion overcomes the promptings of the Holy Ghost?

No matter what the specific reasons are, the resulting fruits of such denials of Christianity are disunity in the body of Christ, the spread of misinformation, and the sowing of seeds of ”discord among brethren” (Prov. 6:19).

Differences in Gospel Living, but all are Christians
Beyond being identified as a Christian, there is an abundance of doctrine in the scriptures that helps explain true Christian beliefs and practices—even “the deep things of God” (1 Cor. 2: 9-10). Some Christian theology is simple to understand, while other theological concepts are more difficult. Paul to the Corinthians and Hebrews used the metaphors of milk and meat to indicate there were simple doctrines (milk) and more complex doctrines (meat) (1 Cor. 3:2 and Heb. 5:12), and that one must be able to digest the milk before moving on to the more difficult to digest meat.

Paul points out that there may be various stages of understanding of the doctrines of Christianity among Christians. This difference in doctrinal understanding, combined with the moral agency of mankind that can lead to good and bad choices, results in their being stronger Christians who live their lives according to the precepts espoused by Jesus Christ (Matt. 25:34-36), and weaker Christians who find it difficult to live their lives in accordance with the gospel (Matt. 7:21-23). Regardless of what stage there are in, both are Christians and both must individually exercise their moral agency to accept or reject the ordinances and principles of the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Likewise, both must accept the consequences of their actions in the Day of Judgment. There will be Christians (valiant and less valiant) in all three kingdoms in the eternities—perhaps even some who will end up relegated into outer darkness.

Conclusion
It is the hope and prayer of the FCS that the Christian world can unite on the simple principle of allowing everyone who claims Jesus Christ as their Savior to be respectfully referred to as a Christian without caveats. We can peacefully and considerately coexist as brothers and sisters in Christ, while ascribing to different Christian beliefs and church affiliations. Imagine what we can accomplish as a diverse Christian family working together to fulfill God’s purposes on earth.



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1 posted on 02/22/2009 7:00:41 AM PST by greyfoxx39
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2 posted on 02/22/2009 7:01:23 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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To: greyfoxx39

mormonism defining Christianity?!!

Might as well have an Hindu define Christianity. At least when they talk about their 300 million gods, they are forthright. Mormonism tries to hide their polytheism of billions or trillions of gods.

Might as well have Shirley McClain define Christianity. She claims to be god and doesn’t try to hide it. Mormonism teaches that every mormon male has the potential to become a god of his own world. They secretly hope for it. It gives them a feeling of significance while they are failing at keeping the law.

Might as well have a Scientologist define Christianity! They have their own secret planet, secret spirit children, secret knowledge, secret way of extorting money. Mormonism hides all that (Kolob, eternally pregnant goddess wives with celestial sex, secret temple handshakes and mumbo jumbo, and extorting money for temple recommends).

Might as well have a Hare Krishna define Christianity. At least their “special” clothing is evident for all to see. Mormonism hides their secret underwear with the occult symbols.

Might as well have someone chosen from random out of the phone book in Thailand define Christianity. I’d bet they would be more accurate.

Might as well go to any world religion or cult to define Christianity. They all HAVE to do something with Jesus Christ - good teacher, rabbi, prophet, etc. Mormonism steals the name of Jesus Christ and redefines Him from who the Bible reveals Him to be.


3 posted on 02/22/2009 7:11:56 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ("I, El Rushbo -- and I say this happily -- have hijacked Obama's honeymoon.")
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To: greyfoxx39
What I would like someone to explain to me is this: why for decades ldsers bristled at the thought of being called christians and now they weep and cry to be called christians. (Yes I did not capitalize Christian on purpose.)

The entire foundation of lds is based of Christian hatred and distorting centuries of tradition and scripture.

Please someone tell me why you now want to be called christian.

4 posted on 02/22/2009 7:12:00 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: greyfoxx39

As good a definition as anyone else’s.


5 posted on 02/22/2009 7:12:53 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

6 posted on 02/22/2009 7:14:27 AM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: greyfoxx39
Grey, doesn't the first half of this alleged study spend its time trashing Christians and redefining the word, then the second half crying and weeping over how ldsers are christians?

Humble these ldsers are not.

7 posted on 02/22/2009 7:17:35 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: greyfoxx39
We can peacefully and considerately coexist as brothers and sisters in Christ, while ascribing to different Christian beliefs and church affiliations.

Could "subscribing" be what the FCS meant?

8 posted on 02/22/2009 7:23:17 AM PST by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic
ascribe
Verb
[-cribing, -cribed]
1. to attribute, as to a particular origin: headaches which may be ascribed to stress
2. to consider that (a particular quality) is possessed by something or someone: specific human qualities are ascribed to each of the four elements [Latin ad in addition + scribere to write]
ascription n
USAGE: Ascribe is sometimes used where subscribe is meant: I do not subscribe (not ascribe) to this view.

9 posted on 02/22/2009 7:35:41 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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To: narses; greyfoxx39

I didn’t know that you were a moderator.

Nevertheless, most of us will rely on a few verses for telling the Good News. (and most of us will capitalize any reference to the Creator, the Lord or His Son.)

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish, but have life everlasting.

Romans 5:3 but God shows His love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Important for this conversation are

Genesis 1: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, “The most important one is ‘Hear, oh Israel, the Lord our God is One!’”

Gal 1:6-9 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.”


10 posted on 02/22/2009 7:45:38 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: svcw
Grey, doesn't the first half of this alleged study spend its time trashing Christians and redefining the word, then the second half crying and weeping over how ldsers are christians?

After more than 150 years claiming persecution, it's second nature for them to play the...

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I find this site to be highly deceptive, from the logo of the site which claims to be the "Foundation for Christian Studies, to the website URL, "studychristianity dot org."

This is obviously a ramping up of the LDS' intent to be known as Christian, by hook or by crook. The hook doesn't seem to be working, (such as the offer of a "Free Bible" in TV commercials to obtain names and addresses for missionary purposes), or they wouldn't feel the need for such deception.

11 posted on 02/22/2009 7:46:35 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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To: hocndoc; narses
I didn’t know that you were a moderator.

I'm puzzled..what is there in narses' post leads you to say this?

12 posted on 02/22/2009 7:49:02 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I read more closely, and see that you were quoting a Moderator, sorry.

However, I worry about these threads and their divisiveness, their ability to give ammunition to atheists and weaken those already weak.

On the other hand, what do we do when we find fraud such as this site?


13 posted on 02/22/2009 7:49:30 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: hocndoc
On the other hand, what do we do when we find fraud such as this site?

Well, some of us try to shed light on such deception.

You know, atheists aren't jumping up and down demanding to be known as Christian, and atheists aren't going out every year more than 60,000 strong trying to convert Christians by telling them that their beliefs are wrong and that they, the atheists have the ONLY truth.

14 posted on 02/22/2009 7:54:52 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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To: svcw

Marketing.

The LDS is a business, not a faith.


15 posted on 02/22/2009 8:00:23 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: greyfoxx39

The most fashionable heresy of the last 200 years has been arianism. theological problems aside churchs that adapt arianism soon die.

this is what happened to most european churches. this is what is happening now to american liberal churches.

mormonism is the exception...

arianism is the belief that jesus is fully man but not fully God. It stems from a 4th century dispute started by an egyptian named Arius that was resolved at the counsil of Nicea. The nicean creed spoken in many denominations comes from this period.’

The arian heresy was brought back to life and popularized in the english speaking by Issac Newton. Likely he got it from the tree of knowledge put out a century early by the french philosopher Decartes and the englishman Francis Bacon. They put theology—along with witchcraft — down as a branch subbranch of philosophy.

Decarte’s & Bacon’s tree of knowledge does bear some similiarities to the tree of knowledge in the garden of eden. But you’ll notice that God resides outside of the garden of eden and outside the tree of knowledge.


16 posted on 02/22/2009 8:00:36 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: greyfoxx39

Hardly a surprize, eh? Let’s see what else is here... topic for discussion to the left....premortal existence.

Here’s a keeper for sure:

“The doctrine of premortal existence is a key element of Christian theology and helps tie together a number of principles that are taught in several advanced doctrines. It is the doctrine of the premortal existence that distinctly answers the many questions that were posed at the opening of this section regarding “where did I come from?”

A True and Loving Heavenly Father
The Apostle Paul wrote: “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Hebrews 12:9).
In this scripture Paul personalizes the role of Heavenly Father as not just the Creator, but as the Father of our spirits. Since he is our Father, it is completely consistent that we would have been with him before coming to the earth. This personalization is further supported in Acts 17:29 where men and women are referred to as “... the offspring of God...”; in Psalms 82:6 where we are referred to as “... children of the most high...”; and in Deuteronomy 14:1 where we are referred to as “... children of the LORD your God.”

Notice the adroit passage of “Father of spirits” into “Father of OUR spirits”?

And this leap across a Grand Canyon of Logic:

“Since he is our Father, it is completely consistent that we would have been with him before coming to the earth.”

But it is circular reasoning , text book quality, we came to the earth so it is consistent with being with the Father before we came to earth. And how can we know we came to earth? Why, because humans are called children of God!

That Leap of Logic didn’t get daylight under its feet.

But in defining Christianity this Mormon apologia says’

“The doctrine of premortal existence is a key element of Christian theology....”. Of Mormon theology, yes. Of Christian theology, no.


17 posted on 02/22/2009 8:06:29 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ckilmer
The arian heresy was brought back to life and popularized in the english speaking by Issac Newton.

IMO, mormonism is the attempt by man to equal God, and Joseph Smith, the founder of mormonism, has said: I have more to boast of than any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such work as I (History of the Church, Vol.6, pp. 408-09).

18 posted on 02/22/2009 8:09:12 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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To: count-your-change

No google site, no connection. Hmmmm.


19 posted on 02/22/2009 8:13:50 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: hocndoc
We confront it, vigorously.

And it is working, this LDS based site is proof. They are getting more bold, more desperate, going with a subtle but a direct approach. Their numbers are dropping, the Internet is exposing them. So now they have been moving to a “if we can't beat ‘em will appear to join ‘em” approach.

Now is not the time to back down...

20 posted on 02/22/2009 8:13:55 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: greyfoxx39

I know, I was expressing my ambivalence.

The boys (mostly they’re boys) who evangelize atheism on this site, Dawkins’ sit and others (like Sam Harris and Jerry Coyne and the rest of the boys of “The Edge” http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/coyne09/coyne09_index.html#rc ) do use our bickering to prove there’s no God. (Instead of proving there’s still a serpent trying to divide us from God.)


21 posted on 02/22/2009 8:15:03 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: greyfoxx39

We’ve got the tip of the tail defining the dog. Ok. Mormons are Christians and we Trinitarians aren’t. Glad that’s settled.


22 posted on 02/22/2009 8:15:19 AM PST by DManA
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To: greyfoxx39

The question of what is Christianity has been steadfastly expounded for 2000 years. Whether or not the schismatics and heretics wish to acknowledge that fact does not change it.

The faith has been handed down and waits patiently for one to accept it.


23 posted on 02/22/2009 8:15:42 AM PST by festus (Politics makes for strange bedfellows)
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To: hocndoc
However, I worry about these threads and their divisiveness, their ability to give ammunition to atheists and weaken those already weak.

Certainly Freepers share common political objectives and ideologies. The News/Activism, Chat and Blog Forums should foster agreement.

But among those who can agree on so much are serious disagreements over theological beliefs and therefore we have the Religion Forum.

It must be remembered that most often when one belief spawns from a previous one, both sides condemn each other in the harshest terms they can muster (heresy, anathema, apostate, cult, demonic, etc.) and often those condemnations become part of the official doctrine and documents.

It must also be remembered that a Freeper’s religious belief is often more deeply held than his political or ideological beliefs. And so he is compelled to speak up, particularly if he is an "ex."

The “open” threads on the Religion Forum exist so that Freepers can air their differences as if in a town square. The “ecumenical” threads in the RF are for polite discussion of differences.

Three other thread types are “safe harbor” where no disagreement is tolerated: prayer, devotional and caucus. Posters who are offended by religious disagreement should stay on those types of threads.

By far, most of the ‘real estate’ on the RF is held by caucus, prayer and devotional threads.

Neverthless, lurkers and posters alike can be drawn like moths to a flame on “open” threads. But if they are thin skinned they shouldn't even read them.

24 posted on 02/22/2009 8:17:46 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: count-your-change

site back again.


25 posted on 02/22/2009 8:20:01 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I have always noticed that for some reason if they (cults) get the Trinity wrong they also are big into works. Those two things almost always seem to go together.


26 posted on 02/22/2009 8:20:03 AM PST by cruise_missile
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To: Religion Moderator; greyfoxx39
Religion Moderator, is it appropriate for a poster to doctor a site with photoshop to add “Mormon” to this site's graphics, and give the impression this is a “Mormon” site. It very well might be, as some of the discussions on it are of an LDS nature, but it's not sanctioned by the LDS church, nor is it done by the LDS church. This poster has deliberately changed the site and is misleading the intent of the thread.

The graphic greyfoxx put up is from her photobucket site, here. http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb254/gahamm_photos/antichristiansite.jpg

The graphic on the site she posted is undoctored here:

http://www.studychristianity.com/images/logoalt.jpg

I would expect more honesty, especially in an intentionally open anti Mormon thread.

27 posted on 02/22/2009 8:20:55 AM PST by sevenbak (We wrestle against principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, wickedness in high places.- Eph. 6:12)
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To: sevenbak; greyfoxx39
When the poster of an article adds his own commentary within the text - he should make it very clear that it is his commentary. I will remove the logo from the body of the article.
28 posted on 02/22/2009 8:24:16 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: sevenbak

What’s the difference between the graphics?


29 posted on 02/22/2009 8:24:59 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you.


30 posted on 02/22/2009 8:25:15 AM PST by sevenbak (We wrestle against principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, wickedness in high places.- Eph. 6:12)
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To: cruise_missile

Good point.


31 posted on 02/22/2009 8:25:24 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: Religion Moderator
I am confused. If you link to the article the graphic is there. So the problem is what?
32 posted on 02/22/2009 8:27:03 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: sevenbak

Irony, I love it so...


33 posted on 02/22/2009 8:27:41 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: sevenbak
I would expect more honesty, especially in an intentionally open anti Mormon thread.

I would say it is not anti-lds it is PRO truth.

34 posted on 02/22/2009 8:28:13 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: svcw

The actual graphic did not have the word “Mormon” at the top. The body of the article posted here linked to an image file which had the word added as if a comment.


35 posted on 02/22/2009 8:29:21 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Ok, thanks. I’ll have to look at it again, totally missed that.


36 posted on 02/22/2009 8:30:15 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: svcw
What’s the difference between the graphics?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


37 posted on 02/22/2009 8:35:55 AM PST by sevenbak (We wrestle against principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, wickedness in high places.- Eph. 6:12)
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To: Religion Moderator
I will remove the logo from the body of the article.

OK by me....I guess I wasn't aware of the rule.

38 posted on 02/22/2009 8:36:40 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Not thin skinned or without thought and experience. In fact, I find myself more often trying to find common ground on (Capital T)ruth with atheists and agnostics. Or the deeply wounded who think they hurt because of their religious background.


39 posted on 02/22/2009 8:44:56 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: greyfoxx39
Irrelevant.

The intent of the site is obvious whether we can display your graphic or not. Indeed the appearance of this site makes me happy, it proves how effect the efforts to confront the LDS have become. That and their North American numbers. Now we have to meet them across the globe where they are trying to drum up more income members...

40 posted on 02/22/2009 8:48:00 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: sevenbak
Religion Moderator, is it appropriate for a poster to doctor a site with photoshop to add “Mormon” to this site's graphics, and give the impression this is a “Mormon” site.

LOL...did you bother to take time to read the site, particularly regarding the board of advisors?

Link

They aren't hiding their connections to the mormon church, and a few seconds glancing over the listings under the heading "Doctrinal Study" tells the tale...."Premortal Existence", "Eternal Families", "Godhead/Trinity".

It very well might be, as some of the discussions on it are of an LDS nature, but it's not sanctioned by the LDS church, nor is it done by the LDS church.

Oh, we get it...it isn't canon.

This poster has deliberately changed the site and is misleading the intent of the thread.

Since I posted the thread, my intent is to show that this site, slyly named "Christian Studies" is a fraudulent attempt to present LDS theology as Christian.....nothing misleading about the "intent of the thread"!

I would expect more honesty, especially in an intentionally open anti Mormon thread.

Oh, yeah...tell me all about the "honesty" of that site.

41 posted on 02/22/2009 8:49:37 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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To: DManA
We’ve got the tip of the tail defining the dog. Ok. Mormons are Christians and we Trinitarians aren’t. Glad that’s settled.

That is EXACTLY the message being sent! Good for you!

42 posted on 02/22/2009 8:52:13 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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To: ejonesie22
Irony, I love it so...

Photobucket

43 posted on 02/22/2009 8:55:43 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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To: greyfoxx39
You are still doing it. This site's board of directors have no part in the organization of the Church, are not it's leaders, apostles, seventy, or any general authorities. This is not a church site, nor is it sanctioned by the same.

I've said it before... there is plenty you guys can find fault in us, why go to these obscure sites to find ammo?

I'm done with this thread.

44 posted on 02/22/2009 8:57:01 AM PST by sevenbak (We wrestle against principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, wickedness in high places.- Eph. 6:12)
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To: sevenbak

Thanks. I just missed the added word.


45 posted on 02/22/2009 8:59:19 AM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: greyfoxx39

msnbc must be excerpted.


47 posted on 02/22/2009 9:25:24 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

OOPS! I will repost.


48 posted on 02/22/2009 9:26:07 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Not sure if there’s any point in commenting on this thread.

The Jesus of Mormon belief is not compatible, either historically or theologically, with the Jesus of Christians, as that word was understood up until the founding of the LDS church and has generally been understood since. There are many disputes among Christians, but they are of a different nature from the division between Christians and Mormons.

But this does not appear to be an official LDS website. So, what’s the point in arguing with these tendentious claims? Mormons are entitled to their beliefs even if we, as Catholics, Orthodox, or Protestants, believe them to be wrong. And we are entitled to our beliefs.


49 posted on 02/22/2009 9:31:13 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sevenbak
You are still doing it. This site's board of directors have no part in the organization of the Church, are not it's leaders, apostles, seventy, or any general authorities. This is not a church site, nor is it sanctioned by the same

You want honesty seven? Check out this article from MSNBC.com. Excerpted per FR rules.

There is NO mention in this article that the website is maintained by and dedicated to mormon beliefs...in fact it is carefully worded to AVOID those facts.

Tell me that the mormon leaders are not aware of this site and its INTENT!

If you want honesty, I call upon you, as a good priesthood holder to take this to the leaders in SLC and make them aware of the fraudulent practices shown here.

The Foundation for Christian Studies Launches Studychristianity.org

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29158989/

 
updated 7:15 a.m. MT, Thurs., Feb. 12, 2009

COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - The Foundation for Christian Studies (FCS), a non-profit organization dedicated to the study and awareness of Christian theology, values, and service, today launched its global website at www.studychristianity.org. The FCS website includes a comprehensive doctrinal study program, downloadable theological essays, interactive discussion forums, and online stores for Christian books, music, and art. While the primary mission of the FCS is to encourage the study of Christianity, the FCS also commits itself to supporting outstanding global charities in hopes of inspiring ongoing Christian service.

"The Foundation delivers easy to understand and use Christian study content and interactive discussion platforms for people around the world -- regardless of theological differences," says Eric Shuster, the Foundation's Founder and Executive Director.


50 posted on 02/22/2009 9:35:14 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Google "Illinois' history of insatiable greed" for insight into what is coming our way.)
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