Posted on 02/27/2009 12:24:55 PM PST by delacoert
That spin doesn’t work with me, sorry.
A fair and reasonable viewpoint. thanks for adding that to the thread.
Docile is definitely not Pandora.. more like being very fast with the camera.
Bump that!
sure, that makes sense
You said — “That spin doesn’t work with me, sorry.”
Well, just your statement alone is “spin” — doncha know... LOL...
As is said (slightly modified, actually) — “One person’s spin is another person’s truth.”
No big deal.
I’ll admit right up front that I know very little about Mormon theology. But why would you delve into theology at all when electing your president? As concerns the religion of my elected officials, all I care about is whether their religion may cause them to promote any destructive groups or behaviors. (For instance a candidate with ties to Islamic fundamentalists would concern me greatly.) But from what I know of Mormons, they tend to be decent, law-abiding people. Only fringe groups support polygamy, and no Mormon running for national office would touch those fringe types with a ten-foot poll. Other than that, what would concern you about having a Mormon president? What are you afraid he would do?
That’s all well and good from a group perspective, my point is, at the end of the day, what makes one Christian is a choice you make between you and God as to what you believe and hold on to in your heart, not what room you happen to be sitting in and the guy up front is spouting.
The thread could just have easily been titled “Are Christians Christian” and taken dissected it that way. How many Christians really are Christians versus just sit in a church that has Christian on the front door?
So much open to interpretation here...and not picking a fight...but it kind of comes down to belief. And where belief enters, logical thought processes take a back seat.
Who defines what "poor in spirit" means (how does one become "poor in spirit"...how long does "poor in spirit" have to last before it "qualifies"?)
"Mourn"...over or because of what? I just lost over $1,500 trying to fill an inside straight...you can believe I"m mourning! He just lost his mistress; she ran off with another guy...he's in mouring. Now...who's going to do the comforting...or is there "comfort-able" mourning and mourning that does not deserve comfort? Who decides?
"Meek"??? Have a ball with that one!
"Righteousness"!!! The islamo freaks who cut off the heads of the westerners on TV were acting - at least in their own minds - with complete righteousness.
"Merciful"...as in the terminally ill ending their own life so that their survivorst won't have to suffer?? "Merciful" as in killing the unbelievers??
You get the drift...it's all a matter of belief...and aint that what conflicts are all about?
My side believes your side is wrong....your side believes my side is wrong...and we'll do battle until one side or other prevails.
Not at all sure that whether or not the BOM supports or encourages the beatitudes is much to the point at all.
Oh!
I don’t watch very much TV.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Guess that shows am am neither Roman or Protestant. I am Lutheran.
Sounds like you agree then.. God didn’t say you had to sit in xx pew in yy church, it is his gift you accept through faith.
Hey! That's how "holy" wars start, isn't it?
I dunno. Is the pope Catholic?
Yes, as you say, it’s the distinction between what is true with one person versus what is true with the overall teachings and doctrines. The reason why we can say this very easily with the overall teachings and doctrines — is that these things are very well documented and they form the *basis* for what just *one person* believes.
In other words, if “one person” does not believe the teachings and doctrines of basic, historic and foundational Christianity (by their own admission... of course) then we can say that they are not a Christian adherent to the faith.
If that one person professes adherence to the teachings of the Mormon church (again, by their own admission), then we can say that this person may be a “Mormon” but they are not a “Christian” — based on which “teachings and doctrines” they had admitted they adhere to.
So, while we can see clearly what are the teachings and doctrines of an entire group (as in a “church”) we can’t see which teachings and doctrines a particular person adheres to — until — they admit to one thing or another...
That’s why — in a general and open discussion (like this) one is pretty much limited to discussing the teachings and doctrines of an overall group — as opposed to a particular individual (unless they admit to one thing or another, themselves...).
Oh, my! Certainly NOT!
Ha, poll=pole. I think that was a Freudian slip.
In answer to your question, I can start by going to an “extreme” religion (which is a “religion”) — which is atheism. I would not vote for an atheist. Why? It would be because of his “worldview” which is fundamentally underpinned by his beliefs. They are not beliefs that I would have for a candidate. I won’t support them.
So, let’s go to another one. How about someone who is of the faith of Islam? Well, likewise, the fundamental “wordlview” is antithetical to Christianity and it’s view of “reality”. I won’t support a candidate who has such a radically opposing worldview.
And then, we can go on down the line to one kind of candidate or another (all which is based on their “worldview”). It’s the same thing with “liberals” too — in that they have a “worldview” (of how things should be and how they work in the real world) that we are opposed to.
When it comes to Mormon teaching and doctrine (and anyone who adheres to that, by their own admission, of course...) — then I won’t support that worldview — which is totally opposed to the worldview of Christianity and what is “truth” and what counts and what matters. It’s a “cult” and it’s a “false religion” from the standpoint of Christianity.
I won’t support a “cult member” or a “false religion” in a candidate for any office....
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