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EXCLUSIVE: CURIOUS DEVELOPMENT IN SYRIA (Joel Rosenberg)
Joel Rosenberg's Weblog ^ | March 2, 2009 | Joel Rosenberg

Posted on 03/02/2009 1:13:14 AM PST by Squidpup

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To: Squidpup; topcat54
It is especially noteworthy given two Bible prophecies — one in Isaiah 17 and the other in Jeremiah 49 — that suggest the city of Damascus will be obliterated in what the Bible calls “the last days.”

When did people start thinking Isaiah's oracle of Damascus was not about an an ancient Assyrian siege?

21 posted on 03/02/2009 7:15:30 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("I'm so thankful for the active obedience of Christ. No hope without it." -- J. Gresham Machen)
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To: Lee N. Field; Squidpup
When did people start thinking Isaiah's oracle of Damascus was not about an an ancient Assyrian siege?

When Scofield published his notes:

burden of Damascus

As in the burden of Moab, there was doubtless a near fulfilment in Sennacherib's approaching invasion, but 17:12-14 as evidently look forward to the final invasion and battle. ("Armageddon," Revelation 16:14 (See Scofield "Revelation 19:17") ) Cf. Isaiah 10:26-34.

The futurists started propagating the idea of “dual fulfillment” to invigorate their views and make (futurist) sense of all those OT prophecies that plainly pointed to events leading up to the first coming of Christ. In reality, they must spiritualize phrases like “the palaces of Ben-hadad” (Jer. 49:27; Amos 1:4) to give it a futurist look.
22 posted on 03/02/2009 7:41:14 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Squidpup

I’m thinking strictly short term here but I really hope the event doesn’t turn into a Jew-bashing occasion.


23 posted on 03/02/2009 7:44:15 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; wita; Lee N. Field
and Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled in our day at breakneck speed,

Absolutely no one's neck is being broken. Strained perhaps, but only among those compelled by their agent to get another book published to explain to the unwashed masses what allegedly is going on in the middle east.

Besides, this description does not fit at all with what Jesus taught about the Second Coming.

36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matt. 24)

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. (2 Peter 3:10)

How can this pop prophecy preacher talk about “Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled in our day at breakneck speed” when Jesus denied any such knowledge would be possible?

Notice also that the “day of the Lord” (aka the Second Coming) marks the end of this earth as we know it and the eschatological beginning of the new earth. There is no room in that passage (or any other) for the futurist millennium. When Christ returns He introduces the new heavens and new earth.

Do we believe the Prince of Peace or another futurist bookseller hawking his wares?

24 posted on 03/02/2009 8:06:19 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Kolokotronis; Squidpup; Lee N. Field
This isn’t as surprising as it seems.

It is for the futurist doom-and-gloomers. Imagine if the gospel had a real impact in Syria (and surrounding nations) and a significant portion of the population was converted to biblical Christianity.

[Speculation alert!] Even if the futurist rapture occurred, there would be no one left to wage war against Israel in the futurist tribulation.

That would put a real damper on the party.

“It's all hypothesis, of course, but fun to play around with.” (Prof. Groeteschele in Fail Safe)

25 posted on 03/02/2009 8:17:42 AM PST by topcat54
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To: topcat54

“Imagine if the gospel had a real impact in Syria (and surrounding nations)....”

It already has, tc. Antioch is where the followers of Christ were first called Christians. +Peter was its first bishop. Even after the Mohammedan conquest, Christianity has continued to be a major force within Greater Syria. The only real oppression of The Church there took place under the later Ottomans. Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy are growing in Syria. Monasteries are reopening and expanding. Some have become pilgrimage sites even for Mohammedans.


26 posted on 03/02/2009 8:39:31 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
It already has, tc.
Syria's population is approximately 88% Muslim and was 12% Christian, though due to the high stream of refugees from Iraq the percentage of Christians has risen to 20% (Wikipedia)
Clearly the impact of the gospel in Syria has been reduced significantly over the centuries. But that can change, and we should pray that it does. Pray that the 80/20 number gets reversed!!
27 posted on 03/02/2009 8:54:37 AM PST by topcat54
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To: beagleone

The rulers of Syria and indeed the controllers of the Baath party in Syria are Allawis —> considered heretical by mainstain Sunni and Shia muslims. Their beliefs tend more towards the Gnostic. In addition, Syria has 10% Christian population (mostly maronites, but also others), Druze, Shia (twelvers and fivers), Ismailies, some Ibadis and Sunnis.


28 posted on 03/02/2009 9:24:36 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Yes it has (every nation on earth has a remnant of Christians, small though it may

Except Saudia where it is illegal to wear a crucifix or bring a bible into the country...
29 posted on 03/02/2009 9:25:55 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: Lee N. Field

Ah, Tiglath-Pileser. one of my favorite characters from history, along with Sargon of Akkad, Hammurabi, Cyrus the Great and Darius the Mede


30 posted on 03/02/2009 9:27:20 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: topcat54; Kolokotronis
Imagine if the gospel had a real impact in Syria (and surrounding nations) and a significant portion of the population was converted to biblical Christianity.

But a significant number in Syria (10%) and Lebanon (40%) ARE Christians....
31 posted on 03/02/2009 9:28:12 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: topcat54

This isn’t as surprising as it seems.

I think what they were trying to get across to you was there is a Christian minority in Syria and the head of the Antiochian Orthodox Church is located in Damascus.


32 posted on 03/02/2009 9:35:50 AM PST by peter the great
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To: Cronos
Believe me, God provides for those who know Him and love Him and trust Him as Savior.

They may not need crucifixes, after all, Jesus is risen and is no longer on the Cross, but they have Bibles and churches, even if the churches consist of small, quiet meetings in someone's home.

33 posted on 03/02/2009 1:00:14 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Kolokotronis

That is the (non PC) truth.

Syria is a much more open society than we are led to believe. Not that they have our best interests at heart or anything, but they are not like say, Saudi Arabia.


34 posted on 03/02/2009 4:48:12 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

well said


35 posted on 03/03/2009 4:29:53 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: TaraP

FYI, Squidpup has posted some Rosenberg articles.


36 posted on 03/09/2009 5:29:05 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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