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9th Circuit Rules Vatican Can Be Sued Over Abuse
Law.com ^ | 3-4-09 | William McCall

Posted on 03/04/2009 8:22:26 AM PST by stan_sipple

A federal appeals court says the Vatican can be sued for abuse committed by its priests.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday that victims of sexual abuse by Roman Catholic priests can sue the Vatican even though it is considered a sovereign nation.

The appeals court said there are exceptions to the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, and abuse can be one of them.

The Oregon case has been working its way through the federal appeals court since a judge in Portland ruled in 2006 that the Holy See can be held responsible for the actions of individual priests.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuit; 9thcircus; abuse; abusivepriests; bishops; catholic; homosexualpriests; lawsuits; pedophile; pedophiles; pedophilia; priests; ruling; scandal; vatican

1 posted on 03/04/2009 8:22:27 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: stan_sipple
A federal appeals court says the Vatican can be sued for abuse committed by its priests.

They can sue all they want, but it is highly unlikely that they'll get a penny out of it. And personally I'm not sure that they should. Unless the cover up can be traced to the Vatican the lawsuits should stop at the American Conference of Catholic Bishops who were probably complicit in keeping the pedophiles hidden.

2 posted on 03/04/2009 8:36:22 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: from occupied ga

So I guess that also means that the schools; the States and the Feds can also be sued for the child sexual abuse running rampant in the school system!


3 posted on 03/04/2009 8:56:28 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: from occupied ga
They can sue all they want, but it is highly unlikely that they'll get a penny out of it. And personally I'm not sure that they should.

I hope you're right. I hope these predatory lawyers die of old age without seeing a penny of Vatican money.

4 posted on 03/04/2009 8:58:48 AM PST by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

*snort*

Rules are for thee, not for me.....


5 posted on 03/04/2009 9:06:21 AM PST by wombtotomb (.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
So I guess that also means that the schools; the States and the Feds can also be sued for the child sexual abuse running rampant in the school system!

If the courts so rule

6 posted on 03/04/2009 9:11:28 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: TurtleUp
Vatican money

Yep it's all about money. Why I could feel a repressed memory of sexual abuse coming on right now if the money were right :-)

7 posted on 03/04/2009 9:13:31 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: stan_sipple

The 8th Ciricuit court is nuts. The Vatican is a state entity. I doubt that this will happen.


8 posted on 03/04/2009 9:24:24 AM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Pikachu_Dad; Huber

And Protestant churches and dioceses too?


9 posted on 03/04/2009 9:25:42 AM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Oops, I hit the wrong number key — 9th Circuit court


10 posted on 03/04/2009 9:26:39 AM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: stan_sipple

Nuts.

The 9th Circuit Court is not as significant as it thinks itself to be.


11 posted on 03/04/2009 9:32:37 AM PST by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: stan_sipple

The Nutty 9th!! If Obama lasts 8yrs the entire court system will be like that.


12 posted on 03/04/2009 9:35:44 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: from occupied ga
Yep it's all about money. Why I could feel a repressed memory of sexual abuse coming on right now if the money were right :-)

Put me down for a Carrevagio!

13 posted on 03/04/2009 9:59:39 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Oratam

I think you should hold out for Castel Gandofolo (sp?)...but that’s JMO :P


14 posted on 03/04/2009 10:06:16 AM PST by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Arkansas resident of Hoosier upbringing--Yankee with a southern twang)
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To: Oratam

A lot of people think the wealth of the Vatican is in it’s art. The bulk is in much more prosaic stocks and bonds.


15 posted on 03/04/2009 10:11:32 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: stan_sipple
From the thread:
Sixth Circuit: Vatican Can Be Sued for Sexual Abuse

Catholic dioceses in the U.S. have paid out more than $3 billion to alleged abuse victims, most of that coming since the scandal broke open nationwide in 2002. Click here to view the 1962 document that discusses Vatican policy on secrecy in dealing with complaints of a sexual nature against clergy....The circuit court concluded that the Vatican was a foreign state, eligible for immunity. But, the court held, the plaintiffs could still sue the Vatican under an exception to the Sovereign Immunities Act, which allows suits that assert damages caused by the “tortious act” of a foreign state or any of its officials or employees.

In the "Whispers in the Loggia" blog article from 11/25, titled Immunity, Denied, it says this:

The appeals court found that the church government may be held liable for actions taken in the U.S. based on the Vatican’s policies or directives.

“What the court has allowed us to do is proceed against the Vatican for the conduct of the U.S. bishops because of the bishops’ failure to ... report child abuse,” said William F. McMurry, the attorney for three men who claim they were abused as children by priests in the Louisville, Ky., archdiocese. He is seeking class-action status in the district-court case.

The ruling marks the first time that a federal appeals court recognized that the Vatican could be liable under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, a 1976 law that governs when a foreign nation or its agents can be sued, said Marci Hamilton, a constitutional-law scholar who is part of the legal team in the Louisville case.

In the InsideCatholic.com blog article titled Kneeling Before the World several weeks ago, this astounding statement was asserted:
[Faithful Departed author Philip] Lawler points out that while less than five percent of American priests have been accused of sexual abuse, some two-thirds of our bishops were apparently complicit in cover-ups.
Given that awards to victims have reached $3 billion dollar so far, with more than half a billion of that in one archodiocese alone, I can see why someone might pursue class-action status. And given that the WSJ article links to a 1962 document that discusses Vatican policy in these matters, and if two-thirds of all the Catholic bishops in the USA were in fact complicit, I can see why one might think any such "cover-up" might extend past American shores to the Vatican itself.
16 posted on 03/04/2009 10:23:42 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: Salvation

I wouldn’t know much about protestant churches, but I suppose someone COULD make a case to sue the government of Sweden for any abuses by Lutheran clergy!


17 posted on 03/04/2009 8:02:36 PM PST by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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