Skip to comments.Chad Hardy’s BYU Honor Code Review
Posted on 03/06/2009 5:22:10 PM PST by delacoert
In a letter dated September 29, 2008, Chad Hardy, producer of the infamous Men on a Mission Calendars and website, received a letter from Brigham Young University informing him that his name had been removed from the August 15, 2008 graduation roll. The letter stated that he would not be awarded his BA degree in Communication Studies because he had been excommunicated from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints on July 13, 2008, a month before graduation.
All of his required coursework had already been completed prior to the church discipline. He was not required to abide by the schools strict Honor Code because he finished his coursework online from his home in Las Vegas, NM. The only recourse given to him to get his diploma was to come back to full fellowship with the LDS Church.
Brigham Young University failed to follow their own policies and procedures in disciplining Hardy and revoking his degree. Two weeks later, Hardy was denied and exception from BYU policy and will not be awarded his degree.
This series of videos is the actual recording from the official University Review with BYU Dean of Students, Vernon Heperi.
Well, the “Men on a Mission Calendar” link produces a blank page. So, who is Chad Hardy and why should I care? Is the Calendar homosexual oriented?
Sometimes a lawsuit’s the appropriate reaction.
It was a calendar of RM’s (return Missionaries) with their shirts off. My SIL has a copy. I don’t think it is same sex oriented any more than any other calendar with guys in it.
Of course, I grew up in Palm Springs, and had a gay father, so my view of what is homosexual oriented usually involves something pretty hardcore.
Sorry. Here's a working link. Men on a Mission Calendars and website
Is the Calendar homosexual oriented?
I don't know why the women who buy it would be interested in it if they were homosexual.
I guess that link doesn’t work either. :p
I actually thought the guy was a quarterback........Really, I did. LOL!
Here is the relevant section:
|Live A Chaste And Virtuous Life|
Live a Chaste and Virtuous Life
Inappropriate gender-based behavior
Pornography and indecent material
Sexual and similar misconduct
Any level of sexual or similar misconduct at BYU is significant and may lead to a separation from the university.
Homosexual behavior or advocacy
One's stated same-gender attraction is not an Honor Code issue. However, the Honor Code requires all members of the university community to manifest a strict commitment to the law of chastity. Homosexual behavior and/or advocacy of homosexual behavior are inappropriate and violate the Honor Code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings. Advocacy includes seeking to influence others to engage in homosexual behavior or promoting homosexual relations as being morally acceptable.
Violations of the Honor Code may result in actions up to and including separation from the University.
Just as illegal immigrants should not be rewarded for sneaking into this country, those who knowingly violate their commitments, both legal and moral, in an attempt to ridicule and impugn their former beliefs should not be rewarded for doing so either. Not to mention the fact that BYU is a private institution and is therefore well within its rights not to grant this kid a degree.
If you don't like BYU's beliefs, don't sign the code and go somewhere else. It really is simple enough for even Libs (and opportunistic critics of the church) to understand.
I didn’t see where they were forbidden to take their shirts off.
Can you seriously tell me that this is not meant to be "sexual in nature?" The page even references Prop 8. But naaaaah, this is just good, wholesome fun, right?
"I may not be able to define
pornography humor, but I know it a bad joke when I see hear it."
Homeosexuality is sometimes in the eye of the beholder. I collect civil war era cdv’s. Many period cdv’s of men will have them with their arms across the shoulder of the other or soitting closely side by side. NOTHING sexual at all, times were different and men expressed friendship differently. However these are often marketed on Ebay as “gay interest”.
Whether it is a joke or not is not relevant. What this kid did is a crystal clear violation of the the BYU Honor Code that this kid signed in good faith when he first entered the school. No amount of “I was just joking” will avail him here. As we keep trying to tell the Left, rules have to mean something. I mean, at Judgement Day, do you think the Lord will be sympathetic to the “I was just kidding defense?”
You mean this part?
Whats your take on the LDS churchs financial backing of the campaign to outlaw gay marriage in California?
Im really disturbed by what the church did. They say they are not anti-gay, then they pull a stunt like that, then theyre confused about why everybody points fingers at them. They say marriage is sacred. Its sacred for gay couples as well.
Will you feel responsible if the church goes after the people who posed for your calendars?
They came to me. Some want to get out a positive message about the church, some want to give a message to the church.
There is so much pressure to conform, and its amazing how afraid the church is of sexuality. I grew up with such shame about my body and sex. I still deal with those issues.
So, he supports gay marriage. He supports sexual immorality and thinks moral codes are "restrictive" regardless of whether he signed his name to them or not. Sounds like the Liberal gay agenda to me. What do you think?
Yes. Since BYU is a private institution and this is written in the document this kid signed and agreed to abide by, they have every legal and moral right to do what they have done. Period.
The question is not whether the code should stand, but in this particular case it's application and how this was handled. It is in the timing that things are suspicious.
It is also where BYU may have caught it's foot in the door and set a precedent that may bring other ramifications down the road.
For example, since the young man earned the credits and indeed was allowed to walk, will the next move be to rescind degrees awarded of individuals who left the church a few years after graduation? More realistically could they do such if the infraction was discovered well after the student graduated and would that be wise? On first blush all that sounds ridiculous, but in essence that is what they have done in this case. The young man was finished before they expelled him.
They are on a fine line. They should have made their move when he was initially excommunicated, before he finished that last class.
Then BYU decided to refuse him the award.
It makes one wonder how long they watch you. What if it is ten years, five years, instead of one month.
Does a graduate have to walk on egg shells their entire life, looking over their shoulders wondering if this activity or that activity will mean BYU will snatch thier degree.
Private institutions still have rules to abide by due to their interaction both with licensing and finical aid. For example BYU has to abide by Title 9 polices.
Private institutions in this day and age have to give over some of their control for their degrees to mean anything and for the students to compete in the general population.
Been there done that from the institutional side.
The "prophet" and founder of mormonism, who had upwards of 30 wives is adored, and Hardy is excoriated because of showing the bare chests of men.
As to the disdain shown here regarding Hardy's not obeying the honor code, this passage shows the attitude of the "prophet" Joseph Smith towards the codes of churches in his neighborhood.
Remember, he built the mormon church on the declaration that "In response to his question concerning which church was the right one to join, Smith said, "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong... He again forbade me to join any of them" (Ibid., vs. 19-20).
In the official first vision story Smith questioned, "Who of all these parties are right; or are they all wrong together?" (P. of G.P., J.S. History 1:10). Later he said, "I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that they were all wrong) - and which I should join" (Ibid., vs. 18). The words in parentheses were in the original and then deleted until 1981, but now that they have been put back in the text, they contradict verse 10! In response to his question concerning which church was the right one to join, Smith said, "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong... He again forbade me to join any of them" (Ibid., vs. 19-20). But, Fayette Lapham said that about 1830 Smith's father told him that Joseph had joined the Baptist church in about 1824 (Historical Magazine, Vol. 8, No. 5, May 1870, pp. 305-306) The P. of G.P. J.S. History 1:7 says that Joseph's mother and sister Sophronia as well as his two brothers, Hyrum and Samuel, joined the Presbyterian church when the revival came. They remained members until September, 1828. Wesley Walters found this information in the Sessions Records, Vol. II, for the Western Presbyterian Church of Palmyra, New York. He also found that in 1822 Joseph Smith "caught a spark of Methodism and became a very passible exhorter in the evening meetings" (History of the Pioneer Settlement of Phelps and Gorham's Purchase, 1851, p. 214). In order to be teaching in a Methodist church, Joseph must have been accepted rather than persecuted as he claimed in the P. of G.P., J.S. History 1:21-22. In 1828, Joseph sought membership in the Methodist church where his wife, Emma, had belonged since she was seven years old. The death of their firstborn son on June 15, 1828, may have motivated him to do that.
Emma Smith's cousins, Joseph and Heil Lewis, were members of the Methodist church which Joseph tried to join in Harmony, Pennsylvania. They said, "Joseph presented himself in a very serious and humble manner, and the minister, not suspecting evil, put his name on the class book, in the absence of some of the official members" (The Amboy Journal, April 30, 1879).
Joseph Lewis later added,
I with Joshua McKune, a local preacher at the time, I think in June, 1828, heard on Saturday that Joe Smith had joined the church on Wednesday afternoon (as it was customary in those days to have circuit preaching at my father's house on week day). We thought it was a disgrace to the church to have a practicing necromancer, a dealer in enchantments and bleeding ghosts, in it. So on Sunday, we went to father's, the place of meeting that day, and got there in season to see Smith and talked to him some time in father's shop before meeting. Told him that his occupation, habits, and moral character were at variance with the discipline, that his name would be a disgrace to the church, and there should have been recantation, confession and at least promised reformation - that he could that day publicly ask that his name be stricken from the class book, or stand investigation. He chose the former, and did that very day make request that his name be taken off the class book (The Amboy Journal, June 11, 1879).
Joseph Smith's brother-in-law, Michael Morse, said that Smith's name remained on the class book for about six months (Ibid., May 21, 1879). Since Morse was the class leader who enrolled Smith, he may be right. But why did Joseph Smith seek to join the Methodist church in 1828 if Jesus Christ told him not to join any church in 1820? (See Mormonism - Shadow or Reality?, pp. 161-162).
I do not understand,
conservatives complain when the state run universities hold students to no standerds.
conservatives are complaining because Mormons are doing what they, the conservatives, want the state schools to do.
They need a new mark to steal from.
When I graduated, I had to wait about a month to receive my diploma due to some verification of my internship they needed. During that time, I was still officially a BYU student as was this guy. Had I violated the Honor Code during that time, they could have done to me the exact same thing they did to this guy. Why? Because I was still a student and therefore subject to the agreement I signed. The agreement ends at graduation.
Had he waited until they handed him his diploma and THEN published his calendar, BYU could have done nothing to him. So, he could have avoided all of this but he chose to break the Code while he was still subject to it. And given the timing of this controversy coming in the wake of Proposition 8 and his own statements to the media I posted above, it would certainly seem he deliberately chose to create this situation.
We thought it was a disgrace to the church to have a practicing necromancer, a dealer in enchantments
and bleeding ghosts, in it.
Joseph may have joined the Methodist Church, but they didn't keep him for long. As explained HERE and
HERE, they promptly gave Smith the boot for practicing sorcery using his magic peep stone (among other things.
Right you are. He should take it to court, if he can’t reach an agreeable settlement. That is why civil courts exist.
I do find that his dragging this out in order to some how embarrass the University is a bit much though.
I have an feeling an agreement will be reached in the near future.
The stretch here is assuming that this kid has a case despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. At best, its wishful thinking.
Hardy has said he intends to file a lawsuit.
Did you listen to any of the clips?
I find it strange that the mormon church drags this out in light of the bad publicity it has had during the past year or so, but it appears that the leaders want to use Hardy as an example to others that might rebel against the corporation, that "you don't tug on superman's cape" ...or garmies, as the case may be....or the hand that holds the "iron rod"!
I’ve listened to the tapes. This is a little weasel attempting to embarrass the church in order to promote the gay agenda. He set up this meeting purely to have something to put on youtube. He knew he wasn’t going to participate in good faith, and he didn’t.
The guy was excommunicated while still taking classes from BYU. He had left campus, and got involved in whatever “lifestyle” issues got him excommunicated. He set up this meeting in order to have something to tape, then refused to answer any questions about the period of time when he was enrolled in BYU taking classes online.
He is trying to make a technical distinction between taking classes online and taking classes on campus. His position is that, because he left campus and took classes online, he no longer had to abide by the honor code.
He is wrong. BYU is a church institution. Students agree in writing to maintain their standing in the church, and to live its standards. If they are not Mormon, they still have to live the moral standards, and obtain an ecclesiastical endorsement from their own church leaders. BYU is the cheapest private university in the country, because the students — including online students — are heavily subsidized by the tithing of faithful church members.
If this little weasel wanted to go off and do whatever it is he was doing — and given his statements about the “sacredness” of gay marriage and the homoerotic nature of his calendars — it’s pretty easy to guess what that is, IMO, he should have taken his credits from BYU, and enrolled somewhere else to complete his degree.
Instead, he is using his 15 minutes of fame to try to transform himself into another of Ann Coulter’s liberal victims.
If it is; then the bare chested men and boys in standard LDS paintings and drawings are as well.
And which of the a-i and/or a-f items was he GUILTY of??
Please: point it OUT to me; for my seeing-eye dogs just sits under my computer desk licking himself.
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. 'They've a temper, some of them - particularly verbs: they're the proudest - adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs - however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'
I think that coming up with these 'supports' of his is a bit of a stretch.
HE was describing how the GAYS felt about them.
Which part did he FAIL to live up to?
There’s no such thing as BAD publicity...
“Did they spell the NAME of our CHURCH right?”
The tapes make it clear that BYU rescinded Mr. Chad Hardy's degree because the LSD church had excommunicated him. The BYU Dean of Students, Mr. Vernon Heperi made that abundantly clear on the tape.
The reason the LSD church excommunicated is indicated in the Email Correspondence from Hardy's Stake President Mr. Frank Davie.
Neither the LSD nor BYU has made any accusation that Mr. Hardy "got involved in whatever 'lifestyle' issues". However, it appears to me that many Mormons are overeager to point the finger at homosexual behavior.
I take it he didn’t show up for his excommunication.
Come on. Look at his youtube “presentation,” with its attacks on the church for its stand against gay marriage. If people think he is gay, it is because he wants them to think he is gay. He has an agenda.
In fact, he enrolled in those online classes at BYU after he had already become a very public critic and enemy of the church. This whole BYU diploma thing is a setup.
The Kinderhook Plates thing was a setup...
...and the Book of Abraham thing was a setup. There are some more...
À tout à l'heure.
I just thought it was a calendar with some really cute fellows.
Devils in the details in legal matters, and in the end it may not be up to either party involved to determine the outcome.
I think, and this is just from my own personal knowledge of other such cases at other schools, that a deal will be made. This could effect more than just BYU.
I can’t see the clips, so if he has then good on him, my thoughts are this must not be turned into a show or he is playing into the LDS hands, that is their gig...