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Does a woman still need to Pray with her head covered
16 Mar 09 | Mind Freed

Posted on 03/16/2009 11:28:45 AM PDT by Mind Freed

1 Corinthians 11:3-6

3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.


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I recently had a conversation with a friend who said that she was looking for a new veil for church. I asked her if she was referring to what the Book of Corinthians said and she said yes. I was surprised to find out that churches still practice this. I believe in the bible fully and have taken several classes on Theology. One of the concepts in Theology is trying to understand the generational gaps between then and now. I am interested to hear what some others think on this subject. I myself happen to believe that this does not have to be applied to our society today.
1 posted on 03/16/2009 11:28:45 AM PDT by Mind Freed
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To: Mind Freed

No.


2 posted on 03/16/2009 11:32:14 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Mind Freed

Not in the Catholic Church.

I remember when I was a little boy, and my mother and I went to church to make a visit. She left home without her hat - she wore a glove on her head when she entered the church.

You may still wear a veil, of course, but I think Vatican 2 changed that. I may be incorrect about that, however.


3 posted on 03/16/2009 11:34:02 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Do your duty in all things." Robert E. Lee)
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To: Mind Freed
In the 50’s to the early 60’s most women went to church with their heads covered and wore white gloves. Then “feminism” came along ... . This “tradition” went away. My take is that regardless of feminism, this is not a requirement in our time.
This link sums it up for me: Q. I periodically re-read sections of the bible. Each time I find more that I did not see before. This time I am in 1 Corinthians 11. I am concerned that I need to cover my head when I worship or pray. This chapter speaks about honoring your head (authority over you). It says men should be uncovered and women covered. I know that women used to wear hats etc. to church on Sunday’s but that’s no longer the case anymore (at least in my church). Can you expand on what this chapter is referring to? http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/should-women-cover-their-heads-in-church/ Should Women Cover Their Heads In Church? A. I believe that Paul was using a local custom to illustrate a timeless truth, and that is that our God is a God of order. He has established a hierarchy in His creation that begins with Him, then goes to Jesus, man and woman in that order. In the society of the day, a woman going out in public with her hair uncovered was a demonstrating her rebellion against that hierarchy. It was a sign that she was available, and therefore an insult to her husband. Paul was reminding them that our worship services are regularly attended by angels and out of respect for them we should be careful to adhere to the established order while in worship. Today the head covering for women is not customary, but we should still be careful to act in a manner that pleases the Lord and is acceptable in His sight, especially in worship. For instance how many people routinely show up late for worship, or fail to demonstrate the proper reverence while there, or in other ways by action or appearance distract other worshipers? Would they look or act this way if they could see their angelic visitors, or even the Lord Himself in their midst? Worship is not a time for musicians to show how talented they are or for worshipers to call attention to themselves by the way they act or look. It’s a time to pay homage to the Lord, to focus on Him, and to express our gratitude to Him. It’s not about us, it’s about Jesus.
4 posted on 03/16/2009 11:34:55 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Mind Freed
Reformatted!

In the 50’s to the early 60’s most women went to church with their heads covered and wore white gloves. Then “feminism” came along ... . This “tradition” went away. My take is that regardless of feminism, this is not a requirement in our time.
This link sums it up for me:

Q. I periodically re-read sections of the bible. Each time I find more that I did not see before. This time I am in 1 Corinthians 11. I am concerned that I need to cover my head when I worship or pray. This chapter speaks about honoring your head (authority over you). It says men should be uncovered and women covered. I know that women used to wear hats etc. to church on Sunday’s but that’s no longer the case anymore (at least in my church). Can you expand on what this chapter is referring to?

http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/should-women-cover-their-heads-in-church/

Should Women Cover Their Heads In Church?

A. I believe that Paul was using a local custom to illustrate a timeless truth, and that is that our God is a God of order. He has established a hierarchy in His creation that begins with Him, then goes to Jesus, man and woman in that order. In the society of the day, a woman going out in public with her hair uncovered was a demonstrating her rebellion against that hierarchy. It was a sign that she was available, and therefore an insult to her husband. Paul was reminding them that our worship services are regularly attended by angels and out of respect for them we should be careful to adhere to the established order while in worship.

Today the head covering for women is not customary, but we should still be careful to act in a manner that pleases the Lord and is acceptable in His sight, especially in worship. For instance how many people routinely show up late for worship, or fail to demonstrate the proper reverence while there, or in other ways by action or appearance distract other worshipers? Would they look or act this way if they could see their angelic visitors, or even the Lord Himself in their midst? Worship is not a time for musicians to show how talented they are or for worshipers to call attention to themselves by the way they act or look. It’s a time to pay homage to the Lord, to focus on Him, and to express our gratitude to Him. It’s not about us, it’s about Jesus.

5 posted on 03/16/2009 11:36:32 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Mind Freed

A big NO!


6 posted on 03/16/2009 11:39:08 AM PDT by notaliberal (Obama: The Abortion President)
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To: Mind Freed
Woman was created for man.

For this cause ought the woman to have
power on her head because of the angels.

Watch out for the Nephilim! Hair power!

7 posted on 03/16/2009 11:40:36 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Mind Freed

Having one’s head covered doesn’t necessarily mean LITERALLY having it covered. Some sound orthodox exegesis could help the understanding of this. ;-)


8 posted on 03/16/2009 11:41:51 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Mind Freed

Wow
With all we have to deal with, do you even think that God has time for such silly issues as this?


9 posted on 03/16/2009 11:41:55 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Mind Freed
Here is my take on these verses.

Both the act of a man "uncovering his head" and a woman "covering her head" are symbolic. In the culture and time these verses were written, both of these acts were symbols of respect and reverence.

So, I believe that Paul was speaking in contemporary terms (with contemporary examples) to the Church, telling them that their attitude in worship must be respectful and reverent and that message should be obvious to all who see them in the act.

That message is clear today. Should I uncover my head and my wife cover hers? I say no.

Should we conduct ourselves in a way that makes our respect, reverence and worship of Jesus as our Lord obvious to those around us? I say yes.

10 posted on 03/16/2009 11:42:11 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Mind Freed

Paul said this, not Christ,,important difference. You don’t necessarily have to obey the word of Paul. Just saying.


11 posted on 03/16/2009 11:42:31 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

No....unless the persons religion dictates this and the person believes that his/her religion is the way things are supposed to be.

That being said, there are extremes that are NOT ok no matter what is believed. The head scarf thing can be debated to be an extreme but I think is as simple as removing your hat when you walk into a room. Just benevolence.

Personally, I think Paul blew it on this one but then I’m no biblical scholar. Paul did write some great stuff. Really great stuff.


12 posted on 03/16/2009 11:42:57 AM PDT by clippedwing
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To: nmh

We believe the Bible teaches that a womans covering is her hair so that her hair should be uncut. (New King James Version)1 Corinthians 11:15

But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.

We also believe a woman should keep silent in The Church Assembly 1 Corinthians 14:33-35


13 posted on 03/16/2009 11:44:41 AM PDT by trustandobey
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No, it is not necessary for a woman to cover her head in the U.S. today.

Head covering was a cultural practice in biblical times in Israel that showed respect and submission. If we in America have a cultural practice that shows the same, and if we refuse to do it when praying, then we are in error as much as the woman in Israel 2,000 years ago who prayed with her head uncovered.

It's not the 'thing' we do to show respect and submission to God - it's the state of our hearts, and whether we truly respect and submit to Him.

14 posted on 03/16/2009 11:44:59 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Mind Freed

The Abaptist churches still generally require women to wear a covering. The Anabaptist churches include Amish, Mennonite, and Breathern in Christ. Some of the more liberal churches have dropped this requirement, but many still follow this custom.
They cite your Bible verse.


15 posted on 03/16/2009 11:46:18 AM PDT by oldtimer2 (Most liberals think that water runs down hill, but, thank God it will never reach the bottom .)
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To: Kansas58

Amen!


16 posted on 03/16/2009 11:47:07 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: nmh

Good point,,expecially about the musicians. Sometimes you just got to shake your head at the overblown “productions” during worship. It’s like you stumbled into the American Idol studio. Same with those hare krishna-like chanting “praise” songs that repeat the same verse over and over. Just my opinion. I think the old hymns were discarded too quickly.


17 posted on 03/16/2009 11:47:12 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: oldtimer2

Please excuse me, should be Brethern in Christ.


18 posted on 03/16/2009 11:47:26 AM PDT by oldtimer2 (Most liberals think that water runs down hill, but, thank God it will never reach the bottom .)
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To: Kansas58

Amen!


19 posted on 03/16/2009 11:47:27 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: 5thGenTexan

Very well put.


20 posted on 03/16/2009 11:48:36 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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