Posted on 03/20/2009 1:00:38 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
This thread shoule interest you...
Blacks in the Scriptures Audio (LDS Caucus),
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2211180/posts?page=3#3
Do we all look alike to you, too?
There are obvious and important truths here. Writing in the midst of the civil rights revolution, scholars such as Samuel Hill and John Lee Eighmy could not help but see cultural captivity when stiff-necked deacons and ushers stood cross-armed at church house doors, defending segregation now segregation forever, or when prominent black ministers avoided association with the movement. Southern social critics and the cultural captivity school advanced a far less provincial understanding of the regional religion. In their mind, something outside Christianity had entrapped the southern soul.
Yet the religious notions of the dominant classes have rarely buttressed theologies of equality. More commonly, they sanctify inequality. “We do not believe that ‘all men are created equal’ . . . nor that they will ever become equal in this world,” a prominent Southern Baptist cleric said in the 1880s. The theology of class and blood was premised on God-ordained inequality. It was an unstable foundation in the context of American liberal democracy, but one common in human history.
Thus, southern white supremacist Christians were not necessarily hypocrites. Such a stance implies that “true” Christianity would have required acceptance of racial equality—an important point theologically, but a dubious mode of analysis for historians. White southern religious racism could be intellectually grounded in a conservative vision rather than merely hypocritical cant intended to void the clear Biblical message. God created the world. If inequality exists, then God must have a reason for it. Without inequality—without rulers and ruled, without hewers of wood and drawers of water—there could be only anarchy. Men cannot govern themselves on a plane of equality. Realizing this, God sanctions Himself to head the church, men to lead women and children, slave owners to direct the lives of slaves, and white people to guide the destiny of black people.
You obviously haven't read the BoM. The BoM is reverse racist if anything. In the end the Lamanites (darker skin) kill all the Nehpites (Honkies) because they are more righteous and blessed of God. IOW, the moral of the story is not based on skin color but how righteous they are.
Interesting that you ar taking the liberal race baiting apporach to try to impugn the LDS church.
Besides you are presenting a litmus test that the Bible can't pass. Black in the Bible is used to denote sin and darkness as well.
Black is primarily associated with the negative aspects of human experience - including death, disease, famine, and sorrow - all of which are the results of sin. Direct Meaning: sin - Job 6:15-16, disease - Job 30:30, famine - Lamentations 4:8; 5:10, Revelation 6:5-6, death - Jude 1:12-13, sorrow - Jeremiah 8:21 (KJV)
While White is a color of purity and righteousness. It is also used to describe things in nature. purity / refinement / unblemished / righteousness / heavenly - Psalm 51:7, Ecclesiastes 9:8, Daniel 7:9; 11:35; 12:10, Matthew 17:2, Mark 9:3, Luke 9:29, John 20:12, Acts 1:10, Revelation 3:4-5;18; 4:4; 6:11; 7:9;13-14
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/articles/colors/
There are many liberal sources which try to impugn the bible with the same arguments you are using.
The Mormon Faith & Black Folks http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/blackmormon/mainpage.htm
You obviously haven’t read the BoM. The BoM is reverse racist if anything.
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Well, let’s see what the bom has to say...
The Mormon Church
The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints
Racial Slurs in Mormon Scriptures!
Book of Mormon
1 Nephi 11:13 (Mary) “. . . she was exceedingly fair and white.”
1 Nephi 12:23 (Prophecy of Lamanites after Christ) “. . . became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations.”
1 Nephi 13:15 (Gentiles) “. . . they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people [Nephites] before they were slain.”
2 Nephi 5:21 “. . . a sore cursing . . . as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.”
2 Nephi 30:6 (Prophecy to Lamanites) “. . . scales of darkness shall begin to fall . . . they shall be a white and delightsome people.” (Changed to pure and delightsome in 1981)
Jacob 3:5 (Lamanites cursed) “. . .whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins. . .”
Jacob 3:8-9 “. . .their skins will be whiter than yours . . . revile no more against them because of the darkness of their skins . . .”
Alma 3:6 “. . . skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion. . .”
Alma 3:8 (Cursed) “. . .that their seed might be distinguished from the seed of their brethren . . .that they might not mix . . .”
Alma 3:9 “. . . whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites did bring the same curse upon his seed.”
Alma 3:14 (Lamanites cursed) “. . . set a mark on them that they and their seed may be separated from thee and thy seed. . .”
Alma 3:19 (Amlicites cursed) “. . . brought upon themselves the curse ...”
Alma 23:18 “. . . [Lamanites] did open a correspondence with them [Nephites] and the curse of God did no more follow them.”
3 Nephi 2:14-16 “. . . Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites; And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites . . . became exceedingly fair . . .”
3 Nephi 19:25, 30 (Disciples) “. . . they were as white as the countenance and also the garments of Jesus; and behold the whiteness thereof did exceed all the whiteness . . . nothing upon earth so white as the whiteness thereof . . . they were white, even as Jesus.”
Mormon 5:15 (Prophecy about Lamanites) “. . .shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us . . .”
Mormon 5:17 “They were once a delightsome people . . .”
Pearl of Great Price
Moses 7:8 “. . . a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan . . .”
Moses 7:12 “. . . Enoch continued to call upon all the people, save it were [except] the people of Canaan, to repent . . .”
Moses 7:22 “. . . for the seed of Cain were black and had not place among them.”
Abraham 1:21 “. . . king of Egypt [Pharaoh] was a descendant from the loins of Ham, and was a partaker of the blood of the Canaanites by birth.”
Abraham 1:27 “. . . Pharaoh being of that lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood . . .”
Black in the Bible is used to denote sin and darkness as well.
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Scripture ???
From the Bible, please...
The word “BLACK” appears only 18 times in the Bible.
(Lev 13:31) And if the priest look on the plague of the scall, and, behold, it be not in sight deeper than the skin, and that there is no black hair in it; then the priest shall shut up him that hath the plague of the scall seven days:
(Lev 13:37) But if the scall be in his sight at a stay, and that there is black hair grown up therein; the scall is healed, he is clean: and the priest shall pronounce him clean.
(1Ki 18:45) And it came to pass in the mean while, that the heaven was black with clouds and wind, and there was a great rain. And Ahab rode, and went to Jezreel.
(Est 1:6) Where were white, green, and blue, hangings, fastened with cords of fine linen and purple to silver rings and pillars of marble: the beds were of gold and silver, upon a pavement of red, and blue, and white, and black, marble.
(Job 30:30) My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.
(Pro 7:9) In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night:
(Son 1:5) I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
(Son 1:6) Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother’s children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
(Son 5:11) His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven.
(Jer 4:28) For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
(Jer 8:21) For the hurt of the daughter of my people am I hurt; I am black; astonishment hath taken hold on me.
(Jer 14:2) Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.
(Lam 5:10) Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.
(Zec 6:2) In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;
(Zec 6:6) The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.
(Mat 5:36) Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
(Rev 6:5) And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
(Rev 6:12) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
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Not one of those 18 verses support Rameumptom’s allegation.
Maybe it was in the part that Joey Smith put back in ????
Maybe all those racist comments using the word “black” were part of the plain and precious things that were removed by the evil Priests of the Great and Most Abominable Church.
Christianity in and of itself does not have racist origins. There are plenty of churches and denominations or non-denominational churches to choose from.
Oh, Nana...now YOU are being called a liberal too....Hmmmm...there must have been a memo from SLC. Anyone disputing mormon claims is/must be a (gasp!) liberal!!!
OR...was it actually "Any WOMAN disputing the power and authority of the "priesthood" is, by definition a "liberal" or "feminist".
Oh ok so you mean when Christianity first started and a Mongol horde stopped by and wanting to sign up it’d be all good? My point is it was thousands of years ago so who the hell cares. So the Mormons were racist up until the Bishop conveniently got the message from God? Water under the bridge, I say.
LOL
Dontcha know that only “liberals” “feminists” and “bigots” dont believe that mormonism is true ???
and didnt vote for RINO Romney ???
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I guess I’m ALL 3 ...
:)
When Christianity first started it was started by the Disciples, Jewish men who worshipped Christ and in the Gospels, the early Church is taking place in settings like the Mediterranean, the Middle East, even North Africa. The ones who sought a true relationship with G-d were not “religious” people, full of dogma and rules. T. Galations 3:28 says There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Thats the CHURCH I’m talking about. These folks were gangstas ready to give up there very lives for G-d.
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