Posted on 03/22/2009 4:01:27 AM PDT by GonzoII
If I were Pope, I’d have all of them rounded up and excommunicated en masse and in public for the world to watch.
Then personally deliver each and every one to the police.
There was a joke going around Georgetown when Clinton was president, during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, that things had gotten so bad that the faculty would probably award Bill Clinton an honorary Doctorate in Theology. It seemed like just a joke then. But only just. Notre Dame has a hit a new low with the plan to award Obama an honorary Law degree. It's so absurd.
But I think there's a chance to stop it. The fact that we can't do everything, is no excuse for not doing what we can.
The head good-guy of the Cardinal Newman Society, Patrick Reilly, is already in Rome waving his arms and blowing whistles.
I'm thinking we should ask Bishop D'Arcy of th Diocese of Ft. Wayne-South Bend to lay an interdict of the whole Notre Dame Campus. No Masses, no sacraments of any kind can be celebrated there until the invitation is rescinded.
What do you think, seriously? Is that a plan?
But seriously, see mine at #43 on a related thread.
Is that a plan?
I mean, on the same thread. (Need coffee.)
A canon laywer is needed to start discussing penalties. Stripping Notre Dame of its “Catholic” status if the administration and faculty go through with this. It’s a direct VIOLATION of Church policy to grant any honor or provide a speaking forum for someone involved in promoting the genocide of the culture of death. Obama has been quite merciless in signing immoral executive orders in these areas. It’s an abomination that ANY Catholic college would consider this.
I'm no canonist, but as far as I understand things, I reckon the Ordinary, D'Arcy, has the canonical authority.
I'm going to write a letter to D'Arcy.
I’ll contact an archbishop right away.
Denver *is* a metropolitan see. Hence "Archbishop Chaput."
While I understand others' admiration for the man, transferring him would force him to take at least a year or two getting used to his new see. And as ordinary of an even larger archdiocese, he'd have even less time on his hands than he does now.
And so he'd make fewer speeches like these.
Several more Denver priests influenced and formed by their archbishop will become bishops themselves. His effect will be felt in other ways, especially with Archbishop of Denver emeritus Cardinal Stafford being at the Vatican.
Also, as a Denverite, I don't want us to lose Archbishop Chaput for many years.
What people don't seem to want to accept is that the apostate have excommunicated themselves. There doesn't need to be a formal bull to make it true. It just is. Historically, excommunication has been abused mostly for political purposes (see Italy for the last thousand years) and the hierarchy does not want to continue in that way.
The EXOMMUNICATE THEM crowd is really more interested in schadenfreude, IMO, and that's not pastoral at all. There - you deserve it! isn't very Christian. Besides the obstinately sinful would wear it as a badge of honor.
I think what Chaput is saying in many ways is that the deviation from tradition and true teaching has not done us any good and we need to get back to it. He's right, and in places where the bishops have either never been appeasers or are now of the late JPII crops, things are being put aright. It's just going to take some time.
Denver *is* a metropolitan see. Hence "Archbishop Chaput."
True, but he needs a red hat, which is a wider reach. We're under Cardinal George in Chicago even if StL has its own see. THAT sort of metropolitan.
I don't see Chaput staying in Denver forever. Unless I miss my guess, he's going to end up cleaning up one of the megadisasters in a bigger city.
The problem are the hundreds of faithful, pro-life students who worked hard to achieve their degree and were looking forward to their big day.
One might ask why the ND administration didn’t care to take them into consideration.
“What people don’t seem to want to accept is that the apostate have excommunicated themselves.”
I don’t think many people know that this is true because the term/concept of latae sententae or whatever it’s called is only known by a fraction of the US Church. Why would they if the bishops don’t confirm it or even teach it?
As far as shadunfruedwhatever goes, I think that the bishops need to publicly confirm that these pro-baby butchery Catholic pols have excommunicated themselves by their odious actions. You know, using public discipline to teach what the Church believes concerning being into baby butchery.
Freegards
OK, I see.
At the same time, being a cardinal takes a lot of work too. There's often a tradeoff between prominence and competence. Not every good prelate should be "promoted" to a higher level, just like not every good parish pastor should be made a bishop.
As for the talk of excommunication on this thread, please recall what Archbishop Chaput himself said:
"We need to stop over-counting our numbers, our influence, our institutions and our resources, because they’re not real. We can’t talk about following St. Paul and converting our culture until we sober up and get honest about what we’ve allowed ourselves to become. We need to stop lying to each other, to ourselves and to God by claiming to ‘personally oppose’ some homicidal evil -- but then allowing it to be legal at the same time."
Are those who talk about excommunications overstating Catholic influence? In an ecclesiastical conflict between Pelosi, Kennedy and Biden vs. the Archbishop of Washington, won't the "Catholic" pols win?
Lots of work may need to be done to rebuild the Church to the point where excommunication won't do more harm than good. Rather than bring them to penitence, excommunication could stiffen the resolve of pro-abortion Catholics (who are probably obedient to the fake Catholicism they and many of their voters were taught).
The basic sin here may not even be support for abortion, as bad as that is. The relevant sins may be pride and presumption.
Maybe you need to convert!
Thank goodness, Bernardin’s bishops are retiring. Only a few left, and Pope Benedict is replacing them with HIS kind of bishop!
God bless Pope Benedict!
**It’s time to speak out against Notre Flame providing a forum and an honorary degree for Obama.**
FReep these links then!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2210995/posts?page=28#28
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2210995/posts?page=87#87
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2210995/posts?page=101#101
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2210995/posts?page=102#102
What was the percentage of evangelicals and Southern black Baptists and other protestant denomination folk who voted for Obama?
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