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Former Protestant Minister Pursues Priesthood
Catholic Anchor, Newspaper of the Archdiocese of Anchorage ^ | October 17, 2008 | James DeCrane, Anchor Writer

Posted on 03/22/2009 5:16:39 PM PDT by Titanites

When Steve Olmstead served as a Presbyterian minister in Juneau, he would often finish his duties on Sunday, close up the church and head to Mass with his devout Catholic wife and their children.

“I had a place to worship, which a lot of pastors don’t,” Olmstead said in an interview with the Anchor. “It was nice to go to a place and worship where I wasn’t the minister.”

The Anchorage Archdiocese’s newest seminarian grew up in a Presbyterian home and always had a strong spiritual life. When Olmstead entered adulthood, he felt called to serve as a youth minister, and was later ordained a minister in the Presbyterian Church.

Throughout his life, he said he had many positive contacts with people who were strong in the practice of their Catholic faith, including his wife of 22 years, Janet.

“I married the most devout and most amazing Christian I’ve ever met in my life,” Olmstead said, crediting her with his conversion to Catholicism. Before the two wed, he agreed to raise the children in the Catholic faith. Steve and Janet Olmstead were married in Juneau by then Bishop Michael Kenny.

He continued to serve in a Presbyterian church in Juneau, but over the years grew enamored with Catholicism.

“I love the devotional practices of the Catholic church, its prayers and devotions,” Olmstead said.

He says he was especially drawn to some core beliefs that are often points of contention between Protestants and Catholics; matters of faith like belief in the true presence of Jesus in the Eucharist and devotion to Mary.

“Ultimately those core beliefs created this tug that led me to the (Catholic) Church so that I would be more congruent with myself,” Olmstead said.

His family’s faith helped with that tug. In addition to Janet’s steady faith, the Olmsteads’ seven children, ages 2-18 years, helped play a part.

The Olmsteads have three older biological children, another three they adopted, and one foster child, which they hope to adopt soon.

“My older kids started asking me questions (like), ‘How come you believe this, but you aren’t teaching it,’” Olmstead recalled. “I had this inner conflict and I had to make that decision.”

Ultimately he did, and left his position at the local Presbyterian church in Juneau to officially enter the Catholic Church in 2006, a decision that brought Olmstead much peace.

“A huge thing for me is mystery,” he said. “I really need mystery and mystery in my faith. The Catholic Church (allows) me to have that mystery — Christ held that for me.”

Having served as full-time Protestant minister, Olmstead still felt a strong call to a minsterial or religious vocation.

Last year he participated in a 30-day Ignatian Spiritual Exercises retreat to investigate how God wanted him to serve in his new church, and he felt called to serve as a priest.

“At the end of that retreat, I realized that this is where God was calling me,” he said.

While celibacy is the rule for Latin rite Catholic priests, there are approximately 100 married former Protestant clergymen in the United States who have joined the Catholic Church and received Vatican permission to become priests.


TOPICS: Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: antiprotprotbashing; apostasy; convert; minister; presbyterian; priest
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1 posted on 03/22/2009 5:16:40 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites

Shouldn’t Protestants be protesting in the streets, calling him an infidel and making death threats against him?


2 posted on 03/22/2009 5:25:33 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Titanites

After the conversion of towering Anglican Oxford intellectual prelate John Henry Newman to Catholicism its small wonder that remants of Protestantism still exist. I guess it’s a nice paying job for a married man (and now woman).


3 posted on 03/22/2009 5:30:37 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: All
October 17, 2008

Old news.

4 posted on 03/22/2009 5:36:26 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: Steelfish

“After the conversion of towering Anglican Oxford intellectual prelate John Henry Newman to Catholicism its small wonder that remants of Protestantism still exist.”

Maybe the “remnants of Protestantism” still exist due to that doctrine known as “justification by faith alone”(Romans 1:17, 3:24, Galatians 3:10-14, Ephesians 2:8-9)?


5 posted on 03/22/2009 5:40:14 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Steelfish

an gay one at that correct?


6 posted on 03/22/2009 5:40:28 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: GOP Poet

Newman was never gay.


7 posted on 03/22/2009 5:41:26 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

no. i was not referring to Newman but to practices of allowing gays to lead the Protestant congregations.


8 posted on 03/22/2009 5:42:57 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Titanites

I wonder if Mr. Olmstead was in the P.C.U.S.A.(which I have affectionally referred to as both the “Pagan Church USA” or the “Lesbyterian Church”) or in the B.P.C., P.C.A., O.P.C., E.P.C. or A.R.P.(Presbyterian denominations that actually believe in Biblical orthodoxy).


9 posted on 03/22/2009 5:43:52 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: GOP Poet

Oh Oh! Of course you are on target. The Scottish Church now have bishops who sodomize each other before service and the congregation cheers their partners.


10 posted on 03/22/2009 5:48:41 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Titanites

A couple of the most loved/popular ministers in my neighborhood are at the Catholic and the Lutheran churches. The Catholic guy was once a Methodist, and the Lutheran pastor was raised as a Catholic.

Go figure.


11 posted on 03/22/2009 5:55:12 PM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: ReformationFan

Not so fast and not so simple:

Check out this explanation:

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=1464&CFID=669278&CFTOKEN=88969182


12 posted on 03/22/2009 6:00:20 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
From your link: "For Catholics then, with God’s grace, faith is expressed in good works, and good works help strengthen faith. The Council of Trent taught, "When faith is active along with works, they increase in the very justice they have received through the grace of Christ and are further justified" ("Decree on Justification").

Our Pastor gave a wonderful homily this morning on this subject. In it, he referenced the Joint Declaration between the Lutheran and Catholic Churches.

I'd always considered 'good works' part of the faith life of Catholics, simply because of what Jesus taught us about how we should treat others who are less fortunate, and meet their needs, in His name.

13 posted on 03/22/2009 6:49:43 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Titanites

**“I love the devotional practices of the Catholic church, its prayers and devotions,” Olmstead said.**

I think many people do love the prayers and devotionals. They just don’t admit it.


14 posted on 03/22/2009 10:37:42 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ReformationFan

I don’t see how he could have been ordained in a body that subscribed to the WCF - his improper marriage should have forestalled that. So the most likely candidates are the PCUSA or the one of the Cumberland bodies.


15 posted on 03/22/2009 11:58:09 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35; ReformationFan

I looked it up - PCUSA.


16 posted on 03/23/2009 12:03:48 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: ReformationFan

You wrote:

“Maybe the “remnants of Protestantism” still exist due to that doctrine known as “justification by faith alone”(Romans 1:17, 3:24, Galatians 3:10-14, Ephesians 2:8-9)?”

Strange how the only time “faith alone” is mentioned in the Bible it is rejected as a doctrine (James 2:24).


17 posted on 03/23/2009 3:47:07 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Alex Murphy

Hit the road.


18 posted on 03/23/2009 5:17:58 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: tpanther; WVKayaker; RegulatorCountry; Kansas58; metmom; Secret Agent Man; Iscool
FYI.
19 posted on 03/23/2009 5:30:29 AM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: PAR35
I looked it up - PCUSA.

This useful road map illustrating the fractured nature of Presbyterianism might help those unfamiliar with what you're discussing.


20 posted on 03/23/2009 5:34:06 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Salvation
think many people do love the prayers and devotionals. They just don’t admit it.

Mr. Olmstead is assigned to St. Patrick parish in Anchorage as Pastoral Associate while he is finishing seminary. He gave the homily on Sunday and it was really impressive. He's a great speaker. His assignment to St. Pat's is probably because the pastor there is also a married, former Protestant minister.

21 posted on 03/23/2009 5:46:38 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: starlifter; Admin Moderator
Dear star...

Why are you inciting a flame war for the RC v. others?

I am not sure why it is important to illustrate one man's decision. How can that single fact be expected to sway anybody. It is just more red meat for the choir, hoping there are some hungry a capella singers looking for a bite...

I have made it clear that I do not accept the RC hierarchy. Please do not ping me again about this. If I care to comment on a thread, I will do it on my own volition. Thanks, anyway /sarcasm


22 posted on 03/23/2009 5:53:58 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. -Mark Twain)
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To: Titanites

Or the simpler primer:

PCUSA - generally apostate to heritical as an organization, but with some Christians still in membership for better or worse reasons.

Cumberland - liberal groups that don’t hold to Reformed beliefs.

EPC - fairly solid underpinings, but a weak structure which is tolerant to a fault. Will probably split in the next few years. Tends to have larger congregations.

PCA - more conservative than the EPC, but with a strong ‘moderate’ contingent who favor growth to the extent that they are willing to compromise with the culture. Also appears to be heading for a split.

OPC - smaller, more unified. Perhaps the most solid of the bodies.

ARP - since abandoning exclusive psalmology a few years ago, not much to set it apart. May be closest to the EPC (local option on deaconesses, for example) but with a stronger, more unified structure.

Assorted small bodies, each claiming to be purer than the next.

Frankly, except for the PCUSA and the Cumberlands, the rest need to get together in a big room, and restructure across the board.


23 posted on 03/23/2009 6:07:33 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Thanks. Sounds like a mess. Who determines which group is apostate or heritical?


24 posted on 03/23/2009 6:11:33 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites

If you Google him, there is a picture of him speaking at an Ecuminical service at a Catholic church for Pope JPII when he was still affiliated with the PCUSA. Everyone should applaud his willingness to acknowledge where his beliefs now lie, and walking away from his former body.


25 posted on 03/23/2009 6:12:09 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: WVKayaker

I am Catholic, as I think my sig indicates! and have been in open forums and have always discussed theological differences with Protestants here in a fair manner. On this point, I have to agree with you. This is an interesting thread but should not be used to turn it into a flame war.

However, the article does indicate that since 1980 when Pope John Paul II signed “Pastoral Provision” that over 100 former Protestant Clergy (Mostly Anglican and some Lutheran) have been ordained to the Catholic Priesthood [and many of those as married men].

Points I see here, many of these men were starting to see the wisdom of a continuity of Tradition down through the centuries, rather than what is becoming more and more of a discontinuity in many of the Prosteant Confessions and see in the Bishop of Rome and the Magesterium a source of authority to sort out theological questions that have arisen and will continue to arise. Next, I think this also shows that the Catholic Church sees that Confessional Protestants and Catholics, while having some theological differences, also have more in common, and this jesture by the Catholic Church was a charitable and Christian way to welcome back old friends back to the Church.

Finally, it also illustrates that while celibacy is a discipline supported by sacred scripture, one with eschatalogical signifiance [c.f. Mt 19: 11-12, 1 Cor 7:32, Rev 14:4], it is not a doctrine of the Catholic Church and thus married men can be ordained in the Catholic Church, although the norm is celibacy for Priests in the Latin/Roman Church.

Anyway, regards and lets hope the rest of this thread is discussed without the polemics.


26 posted on 03/23/2009 6:15:03 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564
However, the article does indicate that since 1980 when Pope John Paul II signed “Pastoral Provision” that over 100 former Protestant Clergy...

That fact does not confirm anything in these discussions. It is just a statistic. How many "scientists" agree with evolution, or "man-made global warming". Does their agreement make them correct.

I will stand on my faith in God. I trust you will do the same. Just don't be so arrogant as to assume anyone would accept such simple test for truth. There is only one truth.

There truly is a catholic church. It just isn't situated in Rome. It's head is Jesus, the Christ, and His church is in the hearts of believers.

He is risen. Take Him down from the altar. That is idolatry. God is a Spirit. The Bible tells me so...

***********

Galatians is a letter from Paul. He wrote about Peter's role in early Christian history. You may choose to disagree with me, but Paul is certainly abetter authority.

Galatians 2

The Council at Jerusalem

1Then after an interval of fourteen years I (A)went up again to Jerusalem with (B)Barnabas, taking (C)Titus along also.

2It was because of a (D)revelation that I went up; and I submitted to them the (E)gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but I did so in private to those who were of reputation, for fear that I might be (F)running, or had run, in vain.

3But not even (G)Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was (H)compelled to be circumcised.

4But it was because of the (I)false brethren secretly brought in, who (J)had sneaked in to spy out our (K)liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to (L)bring us into bondage.

5But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that (M)the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

6But from those who were of high (N)reputation (what they were makes no difference to me; (O)God shows no partiality)--well, those who were of reputation contributed nothing to me.

7But on the contrary, seeing that I had been (P)entrusted with the (Q)gospel to the uncircumcised, just as (R)Peter had been to the circumcised

8(for He who effectually worked for Peter in his (S)apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles)...

... 19"For through the Law I (AU)died to the Law, so that I might live to God.

20"I have been (AV)crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but (AW)Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in (AX)the Son of God, who (AY)loved me and (AZ)gave Himself up for me.

21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for (BA)if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

27 posted on 03/23/2009 6:40:28 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. -Mark Twain)
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To: CTrent1564
He is Risen...


28 posted on 03/23/2009 6:44:10 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. -Mark Twain)
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To: WVKayaker
My bad.
29 posted on 03/23/2009 6:45:49 AM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: vladimir998
You might want to read, say, Galatians 2:16.
30 posted on 03/23/2009 6:59:09 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Man50D

Perhaps they were going to but are now attempting to decide just who gets to write the fatwa?


31 posted on 03/23/2009 6:59:33 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Mr. Lucky
Galatians 2:14-16 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews? We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
But those are all references to the Mosaic Law. It doesn't seem relevant to this discussion of the good works produced by Christian faith.
32 posted on 03/23/2009 7:07:36 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: WVKayaker
A ping with an “FYI” is just that. To think it was intended to incite a flame war takes a wild imagination. Whether you choose to use the ping to incite a flame war is entirely up to you. Whether you choose to comment, or even read it, is entirely up to you.
33 posted on 03/23/2009 7:12:25 AM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: FormerLib

You’ve stated it very well: works are produced by faith.


34 posted on 03/23/2009 7:19:54 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: starlifter
... To think it was intended to incite a flame war takes a wild imagination...

Your response in 29 was different. What has changed?


35 posted on 03/23/2009 7:20:12 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. -Mark Twain)
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To: starlifter
“A huge thing for me is mystery,” he said. “I really need mystery and mystery in my faith. The Catholic Church (allows) me to have that mystery — Christ held that for me.”

He wanted mystery, he's got it now...But what nonsense...The 'mystery' was the church...Another mystery was the Rapture of the church...And they have both been revealed in the Scriptures...

When Olmstead entered adulthood, he felt called to serve as a youth minister, and was later ordained a minister in the Presbyterian Church.

Having served as full-time Protestant minister, Olmstead still felt a strong call to a minsterial or religious vocation.

Last year he participated in a 30-day Ignatian Spiritual Exercises retreat to investigate how God wanted him to serve in his new church, and he felt called to serve as a priest.

“At the end of that retreat, I realized that this is where God was calling me,” he said.

Another phony...So in the end, who's this guy leading astray??? According to this guy, God called him to lead Presbyterians astray, or God called him to lead Catholics astray...

36 posted on 03/23/2009 7:47:14 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Steelfish
Anglican Oxford intellectual prelate John Henry Newman

I didn't know the guy...He may have been the things you claim he was but,,,was he saved??? Is there a record of a testimony anywhere where he accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior???

An Oxford intellectual doesn't make one a Christian...And being a religious intellectual doesn't get you any more in tune with God than if you are an uneducated drunk...

Lots of intellectuals know about God...But a lot of them don't KNOW God...

37 posted on 03/23/2009 7:55:56 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
I didn't know the guy...He may have been the things you claim he was but...was he saved?

There's no quick and automatic way to know that.

Is there a record of a testimony anywhere where he accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior?

Sola fide is a false tradition of men.

38 posted on 03/23/2009 8:12:23 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: WVKayaker

That’s blasphemy...How’s Jesus going to continue to die for all the Catholics if He’s not on the Cross???

Brings to mind an interesting thought...If Jesus is still on the Cross, would seem that when we get baptized, we should stay under the water for as long as Jesus is nailed up there...


39 posted on 03/23/2009 8:15:07 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
Another phony...So in the end, who's this guy leading astray???

Well, if he was teaching his former flock the errors of Calvinism, he was leading them astray.

According to this guy, God called him to lead Presbyterians astray, or God called him to lead Catholics astray...

Baloney. God called him home to the Church founded by Christ. Perhaps he will then lead some of his former flock out of Presbyterianism and onward to the Catholic Church.

40 posted on 03/23/2009 8:18:17 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Titanites
More ....

Protestants baaaaaaad

Catholics gooooood

41 posted on 03/23/2009 8:18:50 AM PDT by lonestar (Obama has turned a crisis into a catastrophe.)
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To: Iscool
How’s Jesus going to continue to die for all the Catholics if He’s not on the Cross???

Jesus does not continue to die for all Catholics. That is a bold and brazen misstatement of Catholic teaching.

42 posted on 03/23/2009 8:19:19 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski

Romans 5:

1(A) Therefore, since we have been justified by faith,(B) we[a] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2Through him we have also(C) obtained access by faith[b] into this grace(D) in which we stand, and(E) we[c] rejoice[d] in hope of the glory of God. 3More than that, we(F) rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering(G) produces endurance, 4and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5and(H) hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love(I) has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

6For(J) while we were still weak, at the right time(K) Christ died for the ungodly. 7For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8but(L) God shows his love for us in that(M) while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9Since, therefore,(N) we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from(O) the wrath of God. 10For if(P) while we were enemies(Q) we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by(R) his life. 11More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received(S) reconciliation.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ

12Therefore, just as(T) sin came into the world through one man, and(U) death through sin, and(V) so death spread to all men because(W) all sinned— 13for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but(X) sin is not counted where there is no law. 14Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not(Y) like the transgression of Adam,(Z) who was a type of(AA) the one who was to come.

15But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for(AB) many. 16And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For(AC) the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought(AD) justification. 17For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness(AE) reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

18Therefore, as one trespass[e] led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness[f] leads to justification and life for(AF) all men. 19For as by the one man’s(AG) disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s(AH) obedience the many will be made righteous. 20Now(AI) the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased,(AJ) grace abounded all the more, 21so that,(AK) as sin reigned in death,(AL) grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


43 posted on 03/23/2009 8:21:18 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. -Mark Twain)
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To: Iscool

One reason why the Orthodox Christian Church depicts the cross without Christ upon it is because the cross, an instrument of death, could not hold Him.


44 posted on 03/23/2009 8:22:19 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: WVKayaker
Very nice. Sola fide is a false tradition of men.
45 posted on 03/23/2009 8:23:38 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: WVKayaker
He is risen. Take Him down from the altar.

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness: 1Cor 1:23

46 posted on 03/23/2009 8:31:05 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski; Iscool
More like a graven image, than a brazen misstatement...


47 posted on 03/23/2009 8:32:33 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. -Mark Twain)
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To: WVKayaker

The crucifix? A graven image?

It is by His crucifixion that we are saved. Why the urgency to forget this?


48 posted on 03/23/2009 8:33:44 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: lonestar
Protestants baaaaaaad Catholics gooooood

True (if referring to Protestantism and Catholicism and not individuals), but the reason for posting the article was for the interest amongst Catholics about married priests, not for flaming.

49 posted on 03/23/2009 8:40:15 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Petronski
It is by His crucifixion that we are saved.

No, I tend to disagree. I believe a very different line of thought, based in Scripture.

We are saved through belief in His sacrifice, not His death. His resurrection signaled the end of the reign of sin in our lives. We are no longer under judgment. Show me Scripture to dispute that, not your organizations teachings.

Death could not hold Him. He is risen.


50 posted on 03/23/2009 8:42:16 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. -Mark Twain)
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