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The Second Coming Happened Already

Posted on 03/25/2009 1:14:14 AM PDT by OPREV

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1 posted on 03/25/2009 1:14:15 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: OPREV

That is one interpretation fraught with numerous problems, the least of which is that if such were true, the God doesn’t believe in communicating the true meaning of His Word when He unilaterally issues a contract with those men He unilaterally gives His Word.


2 posted on 03/25/2009 1:21:48 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: OPREV

Well then, guess I’ll look forward to the Third Coming.


3 posted on 03/25/2009 1:23:34 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Cvengr
That is one interpretation fraught with numerous problems

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

There is no problem. Jesus said it. Therefore it must be true. ;) :)

4 posted on 03/25/2009 1:27:45 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: caseinpoint

Lol. Amen! Good attitude (not to mention funny). ;)


5 posted on 03/25/2009 1:34:31 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: OPREV
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Mark 13:32-37

6 posted on 03/25/2009 1:49:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (In honor of my late father-Gysgt/Comm. Chief, USMC WWII, Korea 1925-2002)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, Vet. That would be in the past. He was talking to his disciples. He told them to watch, not us. ;) :)
7 posted on 03/25/2009 1:55:23 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: OPREV
Often people quote one verse from that chapter and then try to claim Jesus was wrong. They often quote the "this generation verse" as if Jesus was telling each of them that they would personally see the 2nd coming. Yet about 2 verses prior to that Jesus tells them they will be handed over and killed.

I've always believed that he was speaking of the generation of the fig tree. (another reference in the text) The generation that would be here when the end comes. Clearly he wasn't telling the disciples that they would see it.

8 posted on 03/25/2009 2:04:40 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: OPREV
I think that he was most likely referring to the generation which would be present to witness all of the particular signs of which he spoke.
9 posted on 03/25/2009 2:06:07 AM PDT by freedom9
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To: freedom9
Yep.... it's difficult to argue that everything he said was directed at the disciples and at them alone. He says they'll be handed over and killed. And he also says to watch and stand strong until the end. And that "you" will see the son of man coming in the clouds.

And the context of the question was "what will happen in the end?"

10 posted on 03/25/2009 2:09:42 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: OPREV

I encourage us to remain in faith through Christ, so that God the Holy Spirit guides our understanding of His Word, instead of our soul guiding our understanding independent of His work in us.


11 posted on 03/25/2009 2:11:11 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: kjam22
Mat 23:35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.

Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

He was talking to the generation he lived in. Jerusalem was judged for all of the righteous blood shed on the earth in 70AD.

12 posted on 03/25/2009 2:23:44 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: freedom9
Exo 1:6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.

Deu 1:35 Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil generation see the good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers,

2Ki 15:12 This was the word of Jehovah which he spake unto Jehu, saying, Thy sons to the fourth generation shall sit upon the throne of Israel. And so it came to pass.

Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall stand up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonah;

Mat 16:4 An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of Jonah. And he left them, and departed.

He was speaking of the generation he lived in, not ours.

13 posted on 03/25/2009 2:32:04 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: Cvengr
I encourage us to remain in faith through Christ, so that God the Holy Spirit guides our understanding of His Word, instead of our soul guiding our understanding independent of His work in us.

Lol. I have the holy Spirit, i.e., the Spirit of Christ. :)

14 posted on 03/25/2009 2:34:49 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: Cvengr

Amen brother, Amen.


15 posted on 03/25/2009 2:40:45 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: OPREV
You must be very powerful to have both the spirit of Christ and The Holy Spirit, rather than them having you.

And I guess I best be re-reading the history books and make a concerted effort to be more diligent in study as I totally missed mention of the following signs.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

16 posted on 03/25/2009 2:48:33 AM PDT by freedom9
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To: OPREV
Ok, I get it that you think that Jesus was talking about the generation that he was living in. I disagree, with your limited overview, but I get it.

What I don't get is why are you busying yourself in trying to stir up others who don't believe as you? Are you a new Christian? Do you not know this topic has been looked at for about 2000 years, and you aren't going to settle it on FR?

Instead of trying to stir up an untenable battle among believers, why not find a topic or mission that builds up the body? It's one thing to take a stand for what you believe and be able to give an answer for what you believe. It is entirely another thing to try to generate arguments for arguments sake.

Galatians 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
17 posted on 03/25/2009 3:21:08 AM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: OPREV; Alamo-Girl; airborne; AnimalLover; auggy; backhoe; backslacker; Baraonda; bearsgirl90; ...
That article is a pile of stinking UNMITIGATED BRAZEN BALDERDASH FROM HELL. It's purpose is to seed confusion and delusion about crucial END TIMES prophecies and Biblical Truths instead of facilitate understanding about them--understanding greatly needed in this era. Folks must walk close enough to, with and in Holy Spirit to be able to discern WHAT THE TRUTHS OF GOD REALLY ARE ABOUT SUCH MATTERS.

The generation which saw Israel become a nation again in a day in 1948

will not completely die off until all the rest of the END TIMES prophecies [i.e. those up through Armageddon and the beginning of the Millenial reign of Christ] are fulfilled.

NO OTHER INTERPRETATION MAKES SENSE WITH THE COUNSEL OF THE WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE.

NO OTHER INTERPRETATION MAKES SENSE WITH UNDISTORTED FACTS OF HISTORY.

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.

If you get tired of reading trash from the enemy of your soul, you might consider some prayerful preparations . . . such as those themes mentioned at post # 71 here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2212782/posts?page=152#61

CHRIST HIMSELF SAID TO WATCH . . . the parable about the 10 virgins was about BEING READY. The hogwash at the top of this thread is about going back to sleep; willful blindness and hell-fostered deception about the times and priorities we live amidst. May God have mercy on all who read such lies from hell. May HE GIVE THEM TRUTH TO COUNTER ACT SUCH LIES IN THEIR INNER MAN, BY HIS SPIRIT.

LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED.

19 posted on 03/25/2009 4:26:17 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: ScubieNuc

I didn’t know the truth was foolish questioning.


20 posted on 03/25/2009 4:54:53 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: OPREV
I sure hope that there is a FreeRepublic on the new earth!
21 posted on 03/25/2009 4:56:05 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("Only Property Owners that pay taxes should have the right to Vote")
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To: OPREV

>> Yes, Vet. That would be in the past. He was talking to his disciples. He told them to watch, not us. ;) <<

What, you think the gospels are some sort of blog? “Dear Diary,...”

The gospels are written to teach us the truth about Christ, not so 12 men could reminisce.


22 posted on 03/25/2009 5:02:18 AM PDT by dangus
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To: bethelgrad
I can’t help myself here, but you are a freaking idiot and a heretic. What other important Christian doctrines do you deny?

How did you become a chaplain if you don't even know the basics? Have you ever even healed a sick person by the holy Spirit dropping down on you? Cast out demons? You know, stuff Jesus said believers would do?

Please bring scripture to back up your "heretic" claims Chaplain, because, you're about to get schooled. :)

23 posted on 03/25/2009 5:06:46 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: OPREV

[Jesus told the disciples he would come back and take them to heaven in their lifetime. If he didn’t come back, then, he lied.]

No. You are lying because you don’t search the scriptures. If you did, you would not be an amillenialist or a sectarian religious Christian or even state such a slander.
You did it in ignorance is my opinion. However, you need to as Jesus the Christ of Israel, Lord and Saviour of the body of Christ, and coming King has said;
“Search the scriptures, for in them you think you have life and they are they which speak of me.”
You would do well to heed the warning because there is A WAY THAT SEEMETH RIGHT UNTO A MAN BUT THE END THEREOF IS DEATH.


24 posted on 03/25/2009 5:09:22 AM PDT by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: OPREV
Jesus came back & the early church left, with him. The rapture is past, the beast & false prophet also, the two witnesses are long gone, as are the 144,000. We live at the very end of history, when Satan is let loose, the armies from the North attack God's people, fire from the sky comes down and kills them, and there is a new heaven and new earth. And the final act is the Bride coming out of heaven. And then it's over. :)

Uh huh. According to Peter, the return of the Lord will be simultaneous with the end of all things. And according to Jesus, the sons of the kingdom are present in the world along with the sons of the evil one until the very end when the angels are sent out first to root out all evil from the world and then gather up the righteous. With such clear descriptions available, the apocalyptic imagery of Revelation has to be interpreted in light of the more clear and concise, not vice versa.
25 posted on 03/25/2009 5:09:35 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: OPREV

You ARE partly right, however. Many events which fundamentalist make-it-up-as-you-go preachers ae waiting for have happened already. Your mistake is you are still holding onto some of their false presumptions. There has been no rapture between the time of John and today, as certain of these preachers understand it. Yet, the dead saints have risen to Heaven. The body of Christ is manifest in the world today, and we are living in the age where Satan has been been let loose apon the world.

The Kingdom of God is still at hand. It has not left, and never will. Where is it?


26 posted on 03/25/2009 5:09:55 AM PDT by dangus
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To: 2001convSVT
[I sure hope that there is a FreeRepublic on the new earth!]

Won't need it. Then, Christ Jesus and God the Father and all His children will understand when Christ Jesus gives us our new bodies and mind, the soul is saved already and indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I think all who believe that the Church is capable of ruling and reigning and bringing the world into subjection have a terrible minintrepatation of the Scriptures and all bible prophecy. The vile person shall no more be called liberal.

27 posted on 03/25/2009 5:14:52 AM PDT by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: Quix

I notice you don’t bring any scriptures to back up your claims. You sound like you’re possibly unstable. Do you take any medications? Please bring scripture if you’re going to try and prove something, not just, crazy ramblings.


28 posted on 03/25/2009 5:16:07 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: dangus

The kingdom of God is within you. ;) :)


29 posted on 03/25/2009 5:17:05 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: OPREV

Maybe there’s some stubborn old 2030 year old coot who is still alive someplace.


30 posted on 03/25/2009 5:18:36 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: freedom9

[I think that he was most likely referring to the generation which would be present to witness all of the particular signs of which he spoke.]

Absolutely correct. And that generation saw the rebirth of Israel in the land of Israel where the God of Israel is gathering them to bring in and fulfil the latter day prophecies that result in the 7 year wrath of God on all unbeleivers of men and Satan and his unholy angels (aka, the seven year tribulation), followed by the 2nd advent of Jesus Christ on the earth as Lord and King of all nations. The 21 seperate judgements on Israel and the whole earth is necessary to bring in the 1000 year rule of Jesus Christ on the earth.
Mankind can not do this as anyone who thinks and discerns knows, as the scriptures plainly teach unto those who believe and read the scriptures.
Sola Scriptura.


31 posted on 03/25/2009 5:20:34 AM PDT by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Maybe there’s some stubborn old 2030 year old coot who is still alive someplace.

Lol. That was funny man. Lol. :D

32 posted on 03/25/2009 5:21:38 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: freedom9; OPREV

>> You must be very powerful to have both the spirit of Christ and The Holy Spirit, rather than them having you. <<

“We hold a treasure, not made of Gold, of untold wealth in earthen vessels.”

>> Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: <<

“From the sixth hour, there was darkness over all the land, until the ninth hour... and suddenly the veil of the Sanctuary was torn in two, from top to bottom, the earth quaked, the rocks were split, the tombs opened and the bodies of many holy people arose from the dead, and these, after His resurrection, came out of the tombs, entered the holy city, and appeared to a number of people. The centurion, together with the others guarding Jesus, had seen the earthquake and all that was taking place, and they were terrified, and said, ‘Truly, this man was the Son of God.’”


33 posted on 03/25/2009 5:23:33 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Quix; Religion Moderator

Cleanup to aisle 19.


34 posted on 03/25/2009 5:24:22 AM PDT by dangus
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To: OPREV

Seeing that the Second Coming hasn’t arrived, it suggests that the word “generation” has a different meaning in this context. Nice try, fella.


35 posted on 03/25/2009 5:25:56 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (today's free oxymoron : CNN News)
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To: OPREV

>> The kingdom of God is within you. ;) <<

True... you are getting there. The question is: within who? And, if the kingdom of Heaven is within us, where shall we see all those things which John said he saw?


36 posted on 03/25/2009 5:27:36 AM PDT by dangus
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To: kindred
Jesus doesn't rule on earth in the millenium.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I come again, and will receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

He said he was coming back to take them to where he was, which was, in heaven

37 posted on 03/25/2009 5:29:01 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: dangus
(as certain of these preachers understand it. Yet, the dead saints have risen to Heaven.)

Satan always causes people to doubt the word of God by using lies, half lies, and even truth to a certain extent.
The dead saints spirit is with God in heaven, the body is dust in the grave. When the rapture that Paul spoke of occurs, the body will be raised incorruptible and immortal and joined once again to the cleansed soul. We have three parts, body and soul and spirit. The body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because God saves us by grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ our Lord. You need to read all the Scriptures of the Apostle Paul, the revelations given unto him by Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour, to understand more clearly exactly what God is doing.Than you need to read all the Scripture of the Holy Bible so you can understand the ressurection of the body. Your statement is incorrect and no lie is of the truth.Liberals think lies are truth because they choose to beleive what they think is true. They too are liars.
Let God be true and every man a liar...

38 posted on 03/25/2009 5:30:36 AM PDT by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: kindred
[Jesus told the disciples he would come back and take them to heaven in their lifetime. If he didn’t come back, then, he lied.]

No. You are lying because you don’t search the scriptures.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

2Ti 4:1 I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is about to judge living and dead at his manifestation and his reign--

Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord is at hand.

There are plenty of scriptures. I just didn't want to fill up 100 pages. Lol. ;) :D

39 posted on 03/25/2009 5:36:29 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: OPREV
For those interested my favorite radio ministry, Turning Point with pastor Dr. David Jeremiah is on the discussion of the end times through studies of the book of Daniel.
The second coming, the Antichrists, the tribulation are all being discussed over the last several weeks. Its been a very good series. You can here the radio pod-cast on the link below.

http://www.davidjeremiah.org/site/radio.aspx Dr. Jeremiah also wrote books and articles on the subject. Here is one: From this Point Forward Can We Know When Christ will Return? Listen and Watch for the Signs by David Jeremiah In 1843 there was a man by the name of William Miller living in New England who was an ardent believer in the Second Coming of Christ. Unfortunately, he began basing his speculations upon mathematical calculations. He collected all the data, analyzed it, and was absolutely sure he had made no mistakes in his calculations. He announced to his followers that on March 21, 1843, Jesus Christ would return to earth. Miller’s ardent followers prepared their ascension robes, went into the mountains, and even climbed trees at midnight on the appointed day. They expected the Lord to take them home, so they climbed as high as possible so they would have less distance to travel through the air! Needless to say, the day came and went without the Lords’ return, and the Millerites went home to a late breakfast on March 22nd followed by jeers from their neighbors. How can we know Jesus will come again? One passage in the Bible answers that question. In Matthew 24 and 25 Jesus gave a sermon to His disciples in answer to a question. It was the longest answer our Lord ever offered to a question put before Him. The key points are: No Man Knows the Time of Christ’s Return. We cannot set a date for Christ’s return. Only God the Father knows when it will occur. All we can do is prepare ourselves for that day, for it is coming soon. No Angel Knows the Time of Christ’s Return. The Bible says that nothing in either the natural world or the supernatural world knows when Jesus will return. The angels have constant access to God and are continuously awaiting His commands. Isaiah 6 tells us that they hover around His throne. Matthew 18 says they are in unbroken communion with God. Jesus even revealed that the angels will be agents of judgment at the Second Coming and will gather believers who survive the Tribulation. Yet in spite of all this, even they don’t know when Christ will return. Not Even the Son of Man Knows the Time of His Return. Many people struggle with this passage. How can Jesus be omniscient and not know the time of His return? But at the same time Jesus said these words, He had divested Himself of the independent use of His attributes. When Jesus said these words, He had taken the form of a man and did not know the time of the Second Coming. But when He rose from the dead and was given a glorified body, He knew. He knows now and looks forward to that day. So no one who claims to have figured out the date of Christ’s return is speaking for the Lord. Although we can’t know the exact time, Christ did say that we can listen and watch for His given signs. There is going to be a seven-year Tribulation, and the events leading up to that time will be marked by wars, famine, and disease. When the Rapture takes place, the Christians on earth will go up to meet Him in the air. Immediately after, the Antichrist, a one-world government leader, will set up a seven-year covenant with Israel to restore the Jewish sacrifices. Halfway through that agreement, the Antichrist will break it, install himself as the figure to be worshipped, and begin the most severe persecution of the Jews ever. The abomination that causes desolation will be the moment when the Antichrist breaks his covenant with the Jewish people. The Jews will reject the Antichrist, and 144,000 Jews will become born-again evangelists, preaching the good news of the kingdom to lost souls on earth. Some will accept the truth, but those who do will suffer persecution. At the end of the seven years, Christ will return in glory to begin a thousand-year reign of righteousness on earth. Christ shared all this information to help Christians understand and live for the end times. Beginning in verse 36 of chapter 24, Jesus tells stories that illustrate the proper response to His instruction. First, He tells the story of Noah, saying, “As the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.” The purpose of that story is to help us understand that the whole world will be carrying on normally, just as they were in Noah’s day. Nobody sees the significance of the world events until evil is reigning and the Lord returns to shut the evil out of heaven. Don’t fool yourself into thinking that Jesus is not going to return. It’s easy to forget about His return, and maybe even to think that since He hasn’t been around for two thousand years, perhaps He’ll never come back. In the 25th chapter, Jesus tells more stories. He begins with the story of the wise and foolish virgins. The five wise virgins had prepared their lamps with oil for the midnight wedding celebration and so were able to participate in it. The five foolish virgins failed to prepare and missed the festivities. The meaning of that story is simple: Be prepared. Always be ready, and watch for the Lord’s return. Next, Jesus tells the story of the wealth man who traveled to a far country, leaving his goods in the hands of three trusted servants. The story reminds us that, as stewards, all we have is what the Lord has entrusted to us. We own nothing; it all belongs to God and He is letting us use it for His purposes. He wants us to manage it well while He is gone, for one day He is coming back and will demand an accounting. The issue is not how much God has entrusted to you, but what you do with what you have. Two stewards in Christ’s story invested their talents and multiplied them. The third steward did nothing with his talent and was condemned. The Lord told this story because He expects His followers to be resourceful people, investing their time, talent, and treasure for the purposes of God. In His final story in Matthew 25, Jesus tells of separating the sheep and the goats. The purpose of that story was to tell us how the Tribulation will end. During those difficult days a person who has come to know Christ as Savior will take his life in his hands to help feed or care for a Jew. His actions will reveal the authenticity of his faith. God’s people will care for one another. They will offer food to the hungry, drink to the thirsty, shelter to the homeless, clothing to the naked, encouragement to the sick, and friendship to those in prison. In doing so, they will put their own lives in danger. Many will refuse to help due to fear, and in so doing will reveal that they do not really believe Christ is who He says He is. On that last day, they will cry to the Lord, “Didn’t we claim to know You?” And the Lord will answer, “I never knew you.” God’s people will evidence God’s love. Faith without action is dead faith. Christ is calling us to e right, and to act right toward others. These stories remind us to be ready, to be resourceful, to be real, and to be right. In light of the fact that He is coming soon, make sure you know Him and He is in charge of your life. When you get to the bottom line of any prophecy, there is always an evangelistic message from God. Prophecy exists to remind us that a day is coming when there will be a sorting out. One day we will all stand before God and He will sort out the sheep and the goats. Some people who look and act like sheep will be found to be goats, and not worthy to stand in the presence of the king. But God will know which is which, and He will make that final decision. So, the message of prophecy is not only that we had better be sure about our relationship with Jesus Christ, but that there is so much to do until He comes!

40 posted on 03/25/2009 5:36:54 AM PDT by NavyCanDo (Party Like Its 1773)
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To: NavyCanDo

Oops sorry about the formating problem. Yikes!

Try this instead.

http://www.davidjeremiah.org/site/magazine_content.aspx?id=232


41 posted on 03/25/2009 5:38:21 AM PDT by NavyCanDo (Party Like Its 1773)
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To: Quix

A M E N ! ! ! !


42 posted on 03/25/2009 5:39:15 AM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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To: dangus

“From the sixth hour, there was darkness over all the land, until the ninth hour... and suddenly the veil of the Sanctuary was torn in two, from top to bottom, the earth quaked, the rocks were split, the tombs opened and the bodies of many holy people arose from the dead, and these, after His resurrection, came out of the tombs, entered the holy city, and appeared to a number of people. The centurion, together with the others guarding Jesus, had seen the earthquake and all that was taking place, and they were terrified, and said, ‘Truly, this man was the Son of God.’’

Yes, this is a partial fulfillment but wait until full fulfillment comes and the earthquake that will shake the whole earth during one of the 21 judgements that will happen during the 7 year tribulation.
The Lord uses many old testament prophets to help us fully understand what is happening.
The sin of so many liberals in Christondom congregations is that such a view as yours excludes God’s work and promises to be fulfilled using Israel to bring all the nations to war against God Himself in the person of Jesus Christ our Lord. Amillenialism is a great heresy as it causes so many to curse Israel and therefore be cursed of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Again, search the scriptures and stop believing fool pastors and preachers and prists that have abandoned the Scriptures as the only truth, more than half of Christiondom is fighting against God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ because they hate and despise Israel whom God will use to bring in the final war of nations against Israel, beloved of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit.
You are fightning against the God of Israel if you curse Israel.


43 posted on 03/25/2009 5:41:10 AM PDT by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: bethelgrad; OPREV

>> I can’t help myself here, but you are a freaking idiot and a heretic.<<

There’s that love of Christ that helps win souls. OPREV would do well to present his notions as questions or challenges. Alas, such a godly humility is lost entirely on people of this age, wherein every Protestant (ESPECIALLY those who prefer not to think of themselves as Protestants: Baptists, non-denominationalists, pentecostalists, etc.) follows whichever church makes the most sense to himself, and most Catholics would remake the church in their own image.


44 posted on 03/25/2009 5:41:15 AM PDT by dangus
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To: InvisibleChurch
Seeing that the Second Coming hasn’t arrived, it suggests that the word “generation” has a different meaning in this context. Nice try, fella.

Were you there? How would you know? Joh 14:2&3 & 1Th 4:17 say that he takes the bride to heaven, not earth. He would have showed up, and then left. Maybe the Romans would have written about it. Wait, no, they didn't even write about all of the dead coming to life in Mat 27:52. Wait, didn't they have CNN back then? Maybe we could check the video logs. Nope! Lol. I guess we should ask Josephus. ;) :)

45 posted on 03/25/2009 5:46:54 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: kjam22

John, a member of that generation, did see all these things come to pass in his vision recorded in the book of Revelation. I am waiting to see these things with my own eyes, which I expect to happen soon
Maranatha.


46 posted on 03/25/2009 5:56:39 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: OPREV
Mat 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky; and all the peoples of the land will weep as they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I must have missed the newspaper accounts of this event.

47 posted on 03/25/2009 5:57:15 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: kindred

>> The sin of so many liberals in Christendom congregations is that such a view as yours... <<

Wow, I thought the sin of so many liberals is that they condone abortion, extramarital sex, homosexual “marriages”, divorce, socialism, syncretism, and all sorts of other evils. Come to find out it’s that they share a view of mine? ;^D

>> excludes God’s work and promises to be fulfilled using Israel to bring all the nations to war against God Himself in the person of Jesus Christ our Lord. Amillenialism is a great heresy as it causes so many to curse Israel and therefore be cursed of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.<<

I didn’t say any such thing, nor does it inherently follow from what I wrote. Apparently, you read something I wrote, which resembles Amillenialism in certain ways. You’ve encountered heresies amidst certain Amillenialists, which you therefore ascribe to me. Next time, ask before you presume what I believe. Just because I may not believe each thing you believe does not mean I presume the negation of each such thing. It was Jews who first dwelt in the Kingdom of Heaven, and it will be Israel who shall be in the forefront of the conquering of the dragon, who has been set free for a time.


48 posted on 03/25/2009 6:00:17 AM PDT by dangus
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To: kindred

>> The sin of so many liberals in Christendom congregations is that such a view as yours... <<

Wow, I thought the sin of so many liberals is that they condone abortion, extramarital sex, homosexual “marriages”, divorce, socialism, syncretism, and all sorts of other evils. Come to find out it’s that they share a view of mine? ;^D

>> excludes God’s work and promises to be fulfilled using Israel to bring all the nations to war against God Himself in the person of Jesus Christ our Lord. Amillenialism is a great heresy as it causes so many to curse Israel and therefore be cursed of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.<<

I didn’t say any such thing, nor does it inherently follow from what I wrote. Apparently, you read something I wrote, which resembles Amillenialism in certain ways. You’ve encountered heresies amidst certain Amillenialists, which you therefore ascribe to me. Next time, ask before you presume what I believe. Just because I may not believe each thing you believe does not mean I presume the negation of each such thing. It was Jews who first dwelt in the Kingdom of Heaven, and it will be Israel who shall be in the forefront of the conquering of the dragon, who has been set free for a time.


49 posted on 03/25/2009 6:00:17 AM PDT by dangus
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To: kjam22

I agree. This verse gave me trouble as a new Christian, until it was explained to me. And it makes much more sense than Him telling them THEY would live to see it.


50 posted on 03/25/2009 6:05:57 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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