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Posted on 03/25/2009 1:14:14 AM PDT by OPREV
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Thank you for the caution and the wise words I will take them to heart. Shalom
1. I spoke of hell’s intent regarding the perspective, the ideas in the OP. I didn’t speak of the Original PostER. I don’t know the original poster. . . . besides it being against the rules.
2. You are welcome to make of my posting style etc. whatever you will.
3. The lack of a clue about me is persistently comforting in such cases.
4. My writing AND my style continue to result in plenty of confirmation.
5. Many, if not most, naysayers hereon will likely find that incomprehensible this side of eternity.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
I may try and get back to it and ponder each point more thoughtfully. I just found myself a bit shocked that you of all people said some of those things! LOL.
Thanks for the
REPLACEMENTARIAN, AMIL, POST-MIL et al
POSTER BOY PHOTO.
There is more pointing to a first century return than not.
I still find it shocking that anyone calling themselves a Christian could say such a thing with straight fingers.
Ahhhhhhhhh . . . and what training has there been in the diagnosis of psychosis?
MORE UNMITIGATED HOGWASH.
How can anyone read Revelation and even stretch their
around even 1/50th the contrary Biblical facts in Revelation alone—not to mention Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, the shorter prophets etc.
I never realized that Biblical ignorance; Biblical denial; Biblical blindness was so pervasive—particularly amongst conservative “Christians.”
REPLACEMENTARIANS, AMILS, POST-MILS
have this chronic, genetic, compulsive blindness to the fact that God Almighty seems to have a LOT of fun with time elements in Scripture.
Didn’t Noah preach about an imminent flood—for at least a hundred years or so?
And didn’t God more or less have everyone from Adam on looking at THEIR sons to see if perchance one of them was THE MESSIAH?
Oh, right, Don’t confuse the terminally confused further with Biblical facts.
WELL PUT BIBLICAL TRUTHS.
Of course, naysayers don’t seem to be much acquainted with the Bible and certainly not with Biblical Truth.
From who’s perspective?
I doubt the Pharisees thought Jesus’ rebukes of them were very “LOVING.”
Yet, they were precisely the most loving thing GOD HIMSELF could deliver to them.
even God, by HIS NATURE . . . is prevented from engaging in nonsense.
YOU HAVE THIS HABIT OF BEING ABSOLUTELY CORRECT ABOUT SUCH MATTERS.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
AND THAT’S JUST ONE GLARING BIBLICAL TRUTH TOPPLING THEIR WHOLE SKYSCRAPER OF STINKING CARDS PERSPECTIVE.
THERE ARE MANY DOZENS OF OTHERS—ANY ONE OF WHICH SHREDS THEIR WHOLE PERSPECTIVE FROM THE FOUNDATION UP.
Yeah, would have been mentioned! Along with all the other fulfillments of Biblical prophecy—many many dozens of which have NOT YET been fulfilled as a matter of the historical AND BIBLICAL record.
My favorite trick question is how many generations are the in Christ when they bring the generation question.
>> 1. I spoke of hells intent regarding the perspective, the ideas in the OP. I didnt speak of the Original PostER. I dont know the original poster. . . . besides it being against the rules. <<
I don’t know what to make of this. I pointed out to you that the post was a vanity, something you could easily confirm. Yet you separate the original poster from the original post as if they are unrelated.
>> 2. You are welcome to make of my posting style etc. whatever you will. 3. The lack of a clue about me is persistently comforting in such cases. <<
I’m obliged not only by FR rules, but by my own conscience to be charitable in my inferences about you. That’s not to say that you cause people to form impressions.
>> 4. My writing AND my style continue to result in plenty of confirmation. 5. Many, if not most, naysayers hereon will likely find that incomprehensible this side of eternity. <<
Incomprehensible? You write that as if you expect you’ve handed some great wisdom down to fools who can’t begin to fathom it. In fact, the “confirmations” remind me of nothing so much as dufflepuds from C.S. Lewis’ “Voyage of the Dawn-Treader.”
I don’t understand this assertion:
No Quix it is only one of them that they have not addressed. And yes there are many that they can not address and have not addressed.
Interesting question. Your answer?
Enjoy your perspective.
I see the half-life on it rapidly decreasing.
I was agreeing with you I had not looked up the thread to see if yours or mine questions had been answered. And the 65,000 dollar questions answer is 1.
I’m tired enough that I’m not tracking well on all that. Maybe another day.
Frankly, OPREV, you seem to have stated outright a notion Quix seems to implicitly convey: that if you are a provocative and upsetting enough in your statements that you anger people, than you must be doing something right.
It’s true that sometimes the truth is very upsetting, but stirring anger is hardly a good indicator that you’ve just said something correct. Jesus upset the Pharisees because he made them realize that they weren’t acting out of faithfulness, and that was a truth they weren’t wanting to face.
OPREV, you’ve elicited a bold-faced, all-caps, large-typed, multi-colored string of condemnation and references to demonic forces. But just because Quix thinks you’re wrong and you’ve elicited such a response, doesn’t mean you’re right. President Obama sure enrages a lot of conservatives, but that doesn’t mean he’s right.
Quix, Jesus did show righteous fury in the temple. But what provoked both good and evil from those who witnessed him was the content of his words. If you provoke people because of your damning word choice and garish fonts, do you think that really says anything positive about your message? I could log onto Free Republic and just call everyone a bunch of names and get myself zotted. Does that mean I’m right? The Democratic Underground is full of hateful, angry writing, and people to cheer it on. Haven’t you ever heard the crowd of cheers from the audiences at ACORN rallies?
Let the content of your arguments sway people, not your provocative style.
I emailed you the answer.
I appreciate the logic of your perspective.
I don’t really have anything else to add.
Your options/possibilities etc. are not the only ones . . . possible.
I don’t have a great need to try and explain further. The explanations I feel able to make never seem to communicate much to . . . a certain range of folks.
Others either accept me as I am and love me anyway or understand and need no explanation.
I just know that God has designed me as He has for His purposes and that HE GETS ANNOYED if I try and mess too much with HIS design in such matters.
Will check it out.
God bless you! May He grant your petitions with speed and pave the way before you.
Blessings and grace to you and yours.
THANKS FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
Did any historians write about these things?
Luk 23:44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. Luk 23:45 And the sun was darkened...
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Mat 27:51 and the earth did quake; and the rocks were rent;
There was no instant news back then. No CNN, or blogs, or youtube. News traveled by word of mouth or letter. There were no mega-churches, no large gatherings of Christians. How long would before any disappearances would be noticed? Would they think they just went on a journey, or to visit friends or relatives? How would the next city know of the disappearance of people two cities away? Would it be important enough to those left behind that they would send messengers to other cities to find out what happened? How many Christians were there? They were dispersed through all of the empire (1Pe 1:1). They met in their homes. How long would it take to gather all of that information throughout all of the empire? Would the leaders (anti-Christian at that) deem it worthy to make note of? They tried to cover up the resurrection of Jesus and say that his body was stolen. That myth was widespread among the Jews (Mat 28:15). Were people too worried about living their own lives to worry about, a few disapearances of their neighbors? It wouldn't be like today's world, where it would be known instantly that something was wrong. It could have been weeks before they realized people were missing from several different areas. There was panic in Rome over a food shortage in 70AD. Jerusalem was just destroyed and over a million Jews killed. Peter and Paul were killed in Rome, and other Christians were being burned alive and fed to animals etc. Would people just go out and say, "Hey, governor, I want to know where all the Christians went." Or would they be afraid, or, not even give it a second thought? Nero committed suicide in 68AD. There was trouble with 8 legions in 69AD who named a different emperor, and the then current emperor Galba was murdered. There were many things on the minds of the people in those days. Did the disappearance of some "Christians" rank high on their list of worries? The idol manufacturers like Demetrius would have been happy. They probably would have cared less. It wouldn't have been like in our time, where it would be all over the news within a day or so. Much different back then.
I appreciate this perspective, I also happen to be a dufflepud. However, How many people read every line of every thread on FR for the content of arguments? If you want to make a point of truth to warn people what style might you use?
It’s a good question. How DO you make people listen to something you believe is important? In real life, would you just scream everything at the top of your lungs? If someone says something you don’t like, would you really think shouting him down would make you seem like a sane, healthy, spiritual person? Do people with true authority communicate by seeming to have a tizzy fit? Jesus didn’t stalk down people to force them to listen to him; he fled the crowds and yet they still came by the thousands to hear him.
You can’t force people to listen to you. You CAN make yourself credible, so if someone has an inclination to listen to you, they will be moved by what they hear. If someone can’t get people to pay attention to them, maybe they’re best off leaving it to someone who can. If such a person can’t let go to let that happen, maybe that person IS socially inept and self-important.
... and for the record, I don’t get the sense at all that you are like the invisible dufflepuds, who made a lot of noise, but were nonetheless unseen. Then again, once they had faith in who Aslan really was, the dufflepuds put away their foolishness and Aslan loved them...
If you’re not familiar with the dufflepuds, read The Chronicles of Narnia... or at least wait until the next movie comes out... it’ll be the one with the dufflepuds in it.
Was John the Baptist socially inept and self important? What if some posters here have a calling from God. What if their job is to make people uncomfortable. I am currently involved with my spiritual mentor, who I must say, gets it when it comes to God's methodology. It has been a joy to learn from him the last 5 years. He made the comfortable uncomfortable and the uncomfortable comfortable. He has been voted out, unconstitutionally, of his Pastoral post and is a true victim of hate crimes. Praise God! We currently meet every Sunday for a wonderful worship and Bible Study in the true invisible church.
>> Was John the Baptist socially inept and self important? <<
I’m not saying we all need to behave as John the Baptist, but since you bring it up: John retreated to the wilderness. His preaching inspired the crowds to come out to where he was. I’m warning against “shouting” (in the internet sense) and flaming as a means of forcing people to try to listen to you when they don’t want to.
>> What if some posters here have a calling from God. What if their job is to make people uncomfortable. I am currently involved with my spiritual mentor, who I must say, gets it when it comes to God’s methodology. It has been a joy to learn from him the last 5 years. He made the comfortable uncomfortable and the uncomfortable comfortable. He has been voted out, unconstitutionally, of his Pastoral post and is a true victim of hate crimes. Praise God! <<
If he has led the true believers of his flock out of a denomination which has forced gay marriage or similar abominations on the congregation, kudos to him. On the other hand, if his belligerence caused his congregation to oust him, he may be socially inept, and it has lost him much influence he may have had, and may have harmed gravely his causes. Being rejected by the crowds is confirmation of neither being correct or being wrong. Needlessly antagonizing the crowd is a sign of spiritual problems.
>> We currently meet every Sunday for a wonderful worship and Bible Study in the true invisible church. <<
The church is a sign. Signs aren’t invisible, even if they are forced underground by oppression.
Read the books. Lewis is a far more clever Christian apologist than you or I. And while the movies convey some of the grand, Christian themes, they certainly lose the subtler and more intricate ones.
Satan, or his spirit in his workers...just as the Spirit of Christ in His workers....post!
Psalms 144:1 Blessed be the LORD my strength, Which teacheth my hands to war, And my fingers to fight:
Proverbs 6:12-13 A naughty person, a wicked man, Walketh with a froward mouth. He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, He teacheth with his fingers;
When I say invisible church I was referring to a core group of true believers. We do welcome all who would like to join us. The invisible church has always been part of the visible church. Speaking of the visible church and it's institutions doesn't it appear more and more like a lifeless shell?
One last thing about dufflepuds: The reason I say you don’t seem to be is that there are some derogatory aspects of dufflepuds which didn’t arise in the first article I got when I googled the word, but which I did mean when I used the word:
The dufflepuds were so inclined to congratulatory agreement that they did remarkably foolish things and were initially conspiratorial and belligerent. They were, however, quite transformed by the innocent love of Lucy and Aslan.
Cool, God knew about keyboards!
Learn it, live it, love it.
Dufflepuds get all the chicks.
It's also unmitigated hogwash.
Taking Scriptures obviously affirming the death on The Cross and Christ's deity and deceptively pretending those Scriptures were doing double duty heralding Christ's 2nd Coming when He was just wrapping up His First Coming . . . is beyond laughable.
It's a pathetic twisting of facts.
It's a pathetic twisting of reality.
It's a pathetic twisting of God Almighty's Word.
It's a pathetic twisting of God's purposes with the Text.
It's a pathetic deceiving of the unthoughtful.
It's a pathetic proscribed adding to the text what's not there.
John wrote Revelation considerably after those Scriptures' affirmation of The Cross. He clearly wrote about a distant future set of events.
Pretending the utter nonsense that those Scriptures were about The Cross events were ALSO about the 2nd Coming is a bit like
Having a Birthday Party for President Reagan his last year in the White House. Say in February [I don't recall what month he was actually born]. Then sending out invitations and a program for the grand event in May as though it were still future.
It’s such an encouragement to meet FREEPERS who can hear The Lord, Love The Lord, Love other Believers and be Holy Spirit discerning. Thanks.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
Thoughout my adult life . . . God has somehow enabled me to inject thought-bombs into peoples’ psyches in a way that leaves them vulnerable to His Truth—often many months, even many years later.
He has also disciplined me increasingly fiercely to avoid tampering with HIS training in such matters just to satisfy ATTACHMENT-DISORDER-people-pleasing forces and tendencies.
At some level, it really doesn’t matter whether anyone but God understands, or not.
I never thought of screaming
EVERYTHING . . .
That would be interesting.
Maybe I should try that! LOL.
Seems to me that increasingly
COME OUT FROM AMONGST THEM AND BE SEPARATE
is becoming an active command for True Believers in virtually every denomination and almost every group.
GOD WILL HAVE A PEOPLE . . . AND A CHURCH . . . AND A BRIDE WITHOUT SPOT OR WRINKLE
and it appears He’s having to separate them UNTO HIMSELF and AWAY from man’s structures and notions to do it.