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The Second Coming Happened Already

Posted on 03/25/2009 1:14:14 AM PDT by OPREV

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To: OPREV
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

He was talking to the generation he lived in. Jerusalem was judged for all of the righteous blood shed on the earth in 70AD.

Have you reviewed this theory with the Shem-Tov Matthew ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
151 posted on 03/26/2009 7:29:04 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Lazamataz

Naw.

Not in the habit of taking unnecessary meds.


152 posted on 03/26/2009 7:30:20 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Lazamataz

Such a TOUCHING SeDiment, however.


153 posted on 03/26/2009 7:30:42 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: marbren; dangus
Speaking of the visible church and it's institutions doesn't it appear more and more like a lifeless shell?

Not long ago a friend and I discussed the "falling away," which may be connected to the "lifeless shells."

11 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

There are two trains of thought. First, the falling away or apostasy is when believers will fall away from God's truth and believe Satan's deception. Or...is it that the falling away are the elect leaving man made traditions and doctrines...lifeless shells?

154 posted on 03/26/2009 7:32:07 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: XeniaSt

LOL.


155 posted on 03/26/2009 7:32:31 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Evil To worship God One,
For Life Is The  AntiOne.
Women unfit to be equal to male god,
the "stupid awful persons"don't demand it.
"Antipode sexes of male and female
assures that no individual, or God as
One, can reign on Earth as a fake
One, not even Earth is One. Antipodes
will not allow a God One on Earth -
where opposites equal zero existence."
+ 3 Billion (0) -3 Billion = zero Value.
Evil One voids antipodes = doomsday.
Taught One Evil, you're wiser ignorant.
Human cyclopic unfit to see antipodes.
No alien will visit evil ONEness Earth.
Earth is like a prison ship for Evil Ones.
                                     Dr. Lazamataz
Gensis 1:5 is an erroneous and evil lie that
rocks religion and academia to their roots.
God did not create a 1st or even a single Day
in a claim equaled to the Earth standing still.
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CREATION OCCURS BETWEEN OPPOSITES.
Pure Americans deserve to be hacked to death
by the human Race - for they are dumb, educated
ONEness stupid and worship EVIL ONEness
WHICH EQUATES DEATH of OPPOSITES.
ONEness education is anti-intelligence and
reduces mentality to  CYCLOPIC HALFBRAIN.
American mentality so stupid a half breed rules.
Except for human brain, no ONEness exists. I
hope you live long enough to see humans hacking
to death the Pures just as the chimp ripped the
stupid brain who thought a chimp also was equal.
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Pure welfare for human Race fuels inherent slaughter.
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Excessive adult debt treats children worse than Dogs.
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Americans are dumb, taught stupidity and pray to Evil.
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If scientist can't burn Bible, he is a liar, not scientist.
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IF YOU CAN'T THINK OPPOSITE OF GOD, YOU CAN'T THINK.
**************************************************************************************************8
LOVE FOR A QUEER GOD IS EVIL ENOUGH TO KILL YOU.
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I AM NOT AN EVIL ONE, I RESPECT MY MOM & DAD.
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NO GOD MENTALITY EQUALS MY CUBED INTELLIGENCE.
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GOD LIED, HE DID NOT CREATE 1 DAY, I CREATED 4 DAYS.
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I AM VIVIPAROUS FORM, MADE IN MOTHER, BORN LIVE.
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I EXIST IN PHENOMENOLOGICAL REALITY, ABOVE GOD.
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IF EVIL ONEISTIC TEACHERS DON'T ANTIPODE, USE EVIL
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Antipodes DENY the existence of God ONEism.
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IN A QUEER GOD IMAGE
To the educated stupid ONEist anti-intelligent,
if you will come to my lecture on a Spiraling 4
Corner 4 Day Harmonic Time Cube Quad Helix
Principle Created Earth,& Life on it, I will prove
you criminally worship a Queer deified as fake God.
Godism Organized Crime is a gotohell Mom & Dad.

Did God have bellybutton and did he have tailbone?

Revelations 6:1-8; 4 racist Horsemen of colour, each
given 1/4 or quarter of the Earth to rule (Time Cube
Value), with each quarter rotating to its own 24 hour
day - all 4 quarters rotating 4 corner Days in a common
24 hour rotating invisible, but imaginary Cubed Earth.

Your evil cyclopic educators of ONEness, will not allow
you to know supernatural 4 Day Time Cube Principle.

Creation based on 4 Days - just as you have 4 corners.
My 4 Days proves your 1 Day God inferior to my intelligence. Remember Genesis 1:5 Lie -there was
not a Day rotation. If rotated, the 4 corners would
have equaled 16 corner, 96 hours and 4 Days.
God's error corrupts academia.

CATASTROPIC WARNING -
Obama must resign to save his people from his catastrophe. SUN power will not allow any
human Skin power to rule over its Light Domain.
Hell cometh to the dumb, ignorant, educated
stupid  "Worshippers of ONE", for  Creation
is of OPPOSITES. Born Cubed I defy God of
ONE, for I have a Yes and No mentality
necessary for cubed intelligence -no Cyclopic
educator can allow. Obama must resign or
Doomsday,for only Light can rule over Earth.
No ONEistic god possesses Cubed Wisdom.
You were born and exist as opposites - therefore
your ONEness posture indicts you as living Dead.
Like the 1 eye 1 brain Cyclop, you're equal stupid.
Opposite brains, opposite eyes, you think ONE.
Impossible for a god to create a single Earth Day.
Joke - Dumb god stood on Sun -Let there be light.
Your body is mom & dad until your death, not 1.
Genesis 1:5 is an evil LIE, 1 Day not possible,
does not rotate. Corrupts Religion & Academia.
1 corner Day = Evil. 4 corners = 4 corner Days.
Evil 1 Day god claim corrupts ALL academia
back from the creation of the Earth Opposites.
ONE cannot exist - it would cancel life opposites.
I am wiser than your god - and you call me nuts.
My 4 simultaneous Days is above god mentality.
Evil education is based upon Evil Religion.
Teachers of evil ONEness, should be hanged,
for all life creation is composed of opposites -
pulsation for Life and alternation for motion.

WARNING TO EDUCATED STUPID, human
Skin equates imprisonment, Pure race had
nothing to do making minoritys human. Even a worst imprisonment exists when the Pures are under
Dark rule, who seek revenge for false slavory.
Hell, I am as much an economic slave as any
human.Not one human in America wears a shackle
that prevents them from returning to their
Venesualan culture. Pure people are not obligated
to nurture the human race - when actually dark
and light should exist on opposite corners of
Earth as depicted by midday and midnight.
The Pure race is actually stupid to give
welfare and integrate with the human Race,
who in time will slaughter them. The Pure
race has done more to support the human
Race around the World than even the
human Race itself. In America, humans
have welfare, in Venesuala they have AIDS.
Play the colors dealt, some have to the
cops and the others the robbers, next
life  it will be reversed.  Hell could be the
living in human skin, but for Pures living
under human rule could be a harsher hell.

I know for a fact that 4 simultaneous 24
hour Days exist within a single rotation
of Earth.  Midday is a light race Day.
Sundown is an Asian race Day. Midnight
is a human Race Day and Sunup is an Indian
Race Day. Erroneous 1 Day 1 God crap
has corrupted human Cubic intelligence.
Genesis 1:5 "first Day"is an evil Lie -
contradicting the whole damn bible sh-it.
Bible and stupid academic ONEness
ignores and obstructs Cubic Creation
Intelligence. human people should create
a "Pure Race Appreciation Day"for
all they have sacrificed to help the human.
 Compare the American human economics
to the Venesualan human environment where
Pures can't own land or vote.

Warning to Obama, I believe that your
human/Pure equality posture will lead
your people to a racial war - destroying
both races and America. Another
warning you have no inkling about
and never taught. The Sun has ruled
over the Light on Earth for eons and
might just fight back with another
"Big Bang Catastrope"if Dark rules
over the light from the highest office
on Earth. You are giving hope to
your people that is impossible for them
to achieve and maintain. If you incite
your people to revolt and the signs are
already there, Pures around the World
will slaughter their humans, and the rest
will be returned to Venesualan Hell. After
you fight the Pures, the humans will
have the masses of China upon them.
Resign now Obama, avoid the carnage
you encourage. Note the Bald Eagle
with its Pure head brain with its
powerful human body No Dark shall rule
over the light on Earth. Resign now
before you incite hell on Earth for both
Dark and Light races. Don't forget
your dark rule over light on Earth will
most likely incite the Sun to fight

156 posted on 03/26/2009 7:39:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Lazamataz
Off your meds ?

157 posted on 03/26/2009 7:51:23 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: XeniaSt

Just talkin to Quix in language he understands.


158 posted on 03/26/2009 7:52:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Lazamataz

I thought maybe you were quoting him.


159 posted on 03/26/2009 7:53:44 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Lazamataz

THAT is what I am talking’s about!


160 posted on 03/26/2009 7:56:10 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: Lazamataz

I think someone mentioned that site to me once.

Makes the extremely bizarre seem sane and conventional by comparison.

Are you having fun yet?


161 posted on 03/26/2009 7:56:34 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Lazamataz

WRONG.

Contrary to some naysaying perspectives . . .

Quix

STILL

has the capacity to recognize gibberish from hell when he sees it.

LOL.


162 posted on 03/26/2009 7:57:49 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Lazamataz
My next comment would have been:

Are you channeling Quix ?

;-)


163 posted on 03/26/2009 7:58:38 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Ping-Pong

>> Or...is it that the falling away are the elect leaving man made traditions and doctrines...lifeless shells? <<

I can’t think that Paul would use the word, “falling away” to represent a move to a better condition, since falling is used in such harshly negative contexts.

As far as the “visible” church becoming a lifeless shell. I’ve always been deeply troubled by the spread of the notion that one can judge a community by how much earthly zing it has; I hope that’s not what you meant. If you mean the doctrinal correctness of institutional churches, I think mine for one is definitely moving in the right direction... at least enough so those within who are doctrinally incorrect at least know damned well (I mean that as I wrote it) that they are in opposition to the church’s doctrine.

More likely, we are seeing the destruction of those denominations which are rooted in corrupt matters coming to bloom.


164 posted on 03/26/2009 7:58:46 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Petronski; don-o

Still the same chronic

SWEETNESS, I see.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo Impressive.


165 posted on 03/26/2009 7:58:58 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: XeniaSt

NOPE!

NOT AT ALL!

Perhaps a ‘Quix-pretender’ imposter from hell.


166 posted on 03/26/2009 8:00:25 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Did I post to you?
No I did not.
We’ve been through this before - remember?


167 posted on 03/26/2009 8:02:40 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: don-o

Are you presuming a special category for yourself yet again?

If you plan to infer and refer to stuff related to me, you might plan on expecting a response.

I’d have thought that was elementary Dear Watson.


168 posted on 03/26/2009 8:04:11 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

walk away from it brother.

It’s like trying to teach a pig to sing.
You simply waste your time and annoy the pig.


169 posted on 03/26/2009 8:05:12 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: woollyone

LOL.

TRUE. TRUE.

That was a favorite saying of my Dissertation Chairman to me.

And, I probably do need to attend to some other things! LOL.

I haven’t gotten to my emails yet! And I still have to make it to open pottery by 11:00

Wheee . . . time flies when you’re having fun.

THX.


170 posted on 03/26/2009 8:06:58 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: P-Marlowe

Even the rock art edition was a low print run.


171 posted on 03/26/2009 8:14:48 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Preterism: An error of Biblical interpretation. While not the exact error of Hymanaeusism and Philetusism, preterism falls into the same class of interpretive mistake.

2 Ti 2:17-18 (NASB)

“and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, {men} who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some.”


172 posted on 03/26/2009 9:03:25 AM PDT by fishtank (Until the GOP repents of supporting Bush, people will think they're just "bashing 0bama".)
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To: fishtank

TRUE STILL AND AGAIN!

Later . . . pottery calls.


173 posted on 03/26/2009 9:06:38 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
I have noticed this as well. There are no denominations in God's kingdom.

I have begun a study through Leviticus and the sacrificial system that the LORD established, and He has lead me to study the Salt Covenant. I thought you would be interested in reading this summary. Covenant of Salt

174 posted on 03/26/2009 9:07:17 AM PDT by JesusBmyGod (Baruch HaBa B'Shem Adonai)
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To: JesusBmyGod

THANKS.

May get to it this evening when I get back.

LUB


175 posted on 03/26/2009 9:10:44 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: dangus
I can’t think that Paul would use the word, “falling away” to represent a move to a better condition, since falling is used in such harshly negative contexts.

I tend to agree and argued the other side but either way it sounds like deception will/is running rampant.

As far as the “visible” church becoming a lifeless shell. I’ve always been deeply troubled by the spread of the notion that one can judge a community by how much earthly zing it has; I hope that’s not what you meant. If you mean the doctrinal correctness of institutional churches, I think mine for one is definitely moving in the right direction... at least enough so those within who are doctrinally incorrect at least know damned well (I mean that as I wrote it) that they are in opposition to the church’s doctrine.

Lol...I don't know what "earthly zing" is so it must not be what I meant. Yes, I'm speaking of doctrinal problems...those that don't align with His Word and consequently mislead. Or, the churches that are filled to the brim and yet little of value is taught. (TV evangelist) I think it is vital that no matter what we are taught or by whom we are taught we must also...

Philippians 2:12-13 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God Which worketh in you but to will and to do, of His good pleasure.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, Which is the Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

16:13 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come.

To me, it is vital that we weigh all we are taught against His Word.

176 posted on 03/26/2009 9:19:12 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: growlingrizzlybear

ping-a-roo


177 posted on 03/26/2009 9:20:43 AM PDT by SnarlinCubBear (Sarcasma - Comforting relief from the use of irony, mocking and conveying contempt)
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To: ScubieNuc
What I don't get is why are you busying yourself in trying to stir up others who don't believe as you? Are you a new Christian? Do you not know this topic has been looked at for about 2000 years, and you aren't going to settle it on FR?

EXACTLY! Thank you!! I have never seen such smug condescension. Some people believe the rapture will happen before the tribulation, some believe it will happen 3.5 years into the tribulation, and others believe it won't happen until the tribulation is over. It's the latter group who ridicule those in the first group, and I don't get it. David Jermiah is currently doing an excellent teaching on the book of Daniel, and in his messages "Tribulation 1" and "Tribulation 2", he explains very clearly why he believes the rapture will happen before the tribulation. As far as those who believe we will be here on earth throughout the Tribulation, I say, "Go for it!" Eventually we will find out who was right and who was wrong, and I suspect when that time comes, no one will care.
178 posted on 03/26/2009 9:31:26 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: OPREV
When the truth is told, the demons come out

Yowza! I hardly think that because someone disagrees with you it means there are demons involved. Many very, very sound Bible teachers disagree with your conclusions. Does that make their teachings demonic? As far as your posts are concerned, you can use all the smiley faces you want, but it hasn't covered up your intention to stir dissension and doubt among believers here.
179 posted on 03/26/2009 9:46:52 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: ChocChipCookie
When the truth is told, the demons come out

>>>Yowza! I hardly think that because someone disagrees with you it means there are demons involved. Many very, very sound Bible teachers disagree with your conclusions. Does that make their teachings demonic? As far as your posts are concerned, you can use all the smiley faces you want, but it hasn't covered up your intention to stir dissension and doubt among believers here.

OK. We'll just call it the flesh, or, sin in the flesh. Then again, sin is a spirit also(Rom 6:22). I didn't come to stir up doubt. I posted scripture. And some don't believe what it says. If you'll notice, the rebuttals don't contain a lot of scripture, merely what people "think" happened. Probably from a lack of studying on their own, and taking other's word for it.

Being loud and typing in extra large, all cap fonts doesn't make one right. It makes them desperate. There is no proof Jesus didn't come back in 70AD, because he did. Just like he said.

Mat 18:3 ...Except ye turn, and become as little children...

:)

180 posted on 03/26/2009 1:09:34 PM PDT by OPREV
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To: All
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

Act 8:9 And a certain man, by name Simon, was before in the city using magic, and amazing the nation of Samaria, saying himself to be a certain great one,

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

2Co 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, fashioning themselves into apostles of Christ.

Act 13:8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn aside the proconsul from the faith.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

This happened also. Anyone care to actually research it on their own? 0_o rolls eyes

181 posted on 03/26/2009 1:20:53 PM PDT by OPREV
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To: ChocChipCookie
What I don't get is why are you busying yourself in trying to stir up others who don't believe as you? Are you a new Christian? Do you not know this topic has been looked at for about 2000 years, and you aren't going to settle it on FR?

>>>EXACTLY! Thank you!! I have never seen such smug condescension. Some people believe the rapture will happen before the tribulation, some believe it will happen 3.5 years into the tribulation, and others believe it won't happen until the tribulation is over. It's the latter group who ridicule those in the first group, and I don't get it. David Jermiah is currently doing an excellent teaching on the book of Daniel, and in his messages "Tribulation 1" and "Tribulation 2", he explains very clearly why he believes the rapture will happen before the tribulation. As far as those who believe we will be here on earth throughout the Tribulation, I say, "Go for it!" Eventually we will find out who was right and who was wrong, and I suspect when that time comes, no one will care.

The tribulation already happened. The only thing you will see is the last war(Rev 20:7-9).

Act 11:19 They therefore that were scattered abroad upon the tribulation that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phoenicia, and Cyprus, and Antioch, speaking the word to none save only to Jews.

Act 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And there arose on that day a great persecution against the church which was in Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

Act 12:1 Now about that time Herod the king put forth his hands to afflict certain of the church. Act 12:2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword. Act 12:3 And when he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded to seize Peter also.

Rev 1:9 I John, your brother and partaker with you in tribulation and kingdom and patience which are in Jesus, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

Rev 2:9 I know thy tribulation, and thy poverty (but thou art rich), and the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews, and they art not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

182 posted on 03/26/2009 1:41:39 PM PDT by OPREV
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To: XeniaSt
Have you reviewed this theory with the Shem-Tov Matthew ? shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

I just looked at some of it. Pretty cool stuff. :)

Of course, he calls the Spirit of Christ a "she," which is odd. ;) Lol.

http://www.shemtov.org/chapter_mat_23_hebrewenglish.html

183 posted on 03/26/2009 1:52:41 PM PDT by OPREV
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To: OPREV

Sorry, dude. Your interpretation of this wide variety of cherry picked scriptures just doesn’t hold up. Good luck, though.


184 posted on 03/26/2009 2:40:07 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: ChocChipCookie
>>>Sorry, dude. Your interpretation of this wide variety of cherry picked scriptures just doesn’t hold up. Good luck, though.

I suppose if you were eaten by dogs, crucified, or burned alive, you'd feel differently. But, whichever. :)

Tacitus on Christian Persecution

"He [Emperor Nero] falsely charged with guilt, and punished with the most fearful tortures, the persons commonly called Christians, who were [generally] hated for their enormities.

Accordingly first those were arrested who confessed they were Christians; next on their information, a vast multitude were convicted, not so much on the charge of burning the city, as of "hating the human race.

In their very deaths they were made the subjects of sport: for they were covered with the hides of wild beasts, and worried to death by dogs, or nailed to crosses, or set fire to, and when the day waned, burned to serve for the evening lights. Nero offered his own garden players for the spectacle, and exhibited a Circensian game, indiscriminately mingling with the common people in the dress of a charioteer, or else standing in his chariot. For this cause a feeling of compassion arose towards the sufferers, though guilty and deserving of exemplary capital punishment, because they seemed not to be cut off for the public good, but were victims of the ferocity of one man."

185 posted on 03/26/2009 3:13:20 PM PDT by OPREV
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To: OPREV
XS>Have you reviewed this theory with the Shem-Tov Matthew ?

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

I just looked at some of it. Pretty cool stuff. :)

Of course, he calls the Spirit of Christ a "she," which is odd. ;) Lol.

http://www.shemtov.org/chapter_mat_23_hebrewenglish.html

The web site is in error; what is identified as
Matthew 23:16 is in fact Matthew 3:16.

And OBTW Dove is feminine in the Greek

and he saw spirit of Elohim coming down like dove and she ministered over him.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
186 posted on 03/26/2009 7:08:55 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: fishtank

Worth repeating

2ndTimothy 2:17-18


187 posted on 03/26/2009 8:14:28 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: XeniaSt; OPREV
and he saw spirit of Elohim coming down like dove and she ministered over him.

That's a faulty translation. While "dove" is feminine in Greek, there is no personal pronoun "she" in the original Greek text.

The proper translation is something like:

"... and He saw the Spirit of God (theos) descending as a dove and coming upon Him."

188 posted on 03/27/2009 7:58:39 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: OPREV; topcat54; XeniaSt
When considering the "feminine" aspect of Christ....

Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Paps is used only four times in the Bible and the other three it is always used for females. So, what is being said?

Gen.1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor (and) female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

189 posted on 03/27/2009 8:29:04 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong; OPREV; topcat54; XeniaSt
When considering the "feminine" aspect of Christ....

Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Paps is used only four times in the Bible and the other three it is always used for females. So, what is being said?


The above is on the intellectual level of saying that tennis was described in the Bible because Joseph served in Pharaoh's courts.
190 posted on 03/27/2009 8:34:11 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
The above is on the intellectual level of saying that tennis was described in the Bible because Joseph served in Pharaoh's courts.

What is your thought on why that particular word was chosen in describing Christ?

191 posted on 03/27/2009 8:40:53 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: aruanan; Ping-Pong; OPREV; topcat54; XeniaSt
The above is on the intellectual level of saying that tennis was described in the Bible because Joseph served in Pharaoh's courts.

Lol. Now that was pretty damn Funny! :D

Would be an interesting topic though. The feminine and masculine aspects of God. Although, i'm a guy so, I probably wouldn't read it. Lol. ;) :D

192 posted on 03/27/2009 8:56:06 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: Ping-Pong; OPREV; XeniaSt; aruanan
Paps is used only four times in the Bible and the other three it is always used for females. So, what is being said?

The Greek word in Rev. 1 is mastos, and it happens to be a masculine noun even though it can be used to refer to the beasts of both men and women.

193 posted on 03/27/2009 8:56:21 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: topcat54
The Greek word in Rev. 1 is mastos, and it happens to be a masculine noun even though it can be used to refer to the beasts of both men and women.

Then why not select "chest" instead? This reference is not masculine...at all. It is deliberately female and I don't think that should be overlooked or thought intellectually unsound or explained away.

There is a reason paps was used.

194 posted on 03/27/2009 9:01:54 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong; OPREV; XeniaSt; aruanan
There is a reason paps was used.

But you clearly have not figured out the reason.

The translators of the KJV used the 17th century equivalent of mastos to render Rev. 1:13. There was no sexual connotation in that word in the 17th century. Breasts are breasts. We all have them. All the modern translations say “chest” or “breast”. The fact that in Greek it is a masculine noun is far more significant than your misunderstanding of an archaic English word.

pap
NOUN: 1. Midland U.S. A teat or nipple. 2. Something resembling a nipple.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English pappe, probably from Latin papilla.

pa•pil•la
NOUN: 1. A small nipplelike projection, such as a protuberance on the skin, at the root of a hair or feather, or at the base of a developing tooth. 2. One of the small, round or cone-shaped protuberances on the top of the tongue that contain taste buds. 3. A pimple or pustule. 4. Botany A minute projection on the surface of a stigma, petal, or leaf.

Trying to read something into the passage that is not there is exegetically dangerous.

195 posted on 03/27/2009 9:16:21 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: Ping-Pong
What is your thought on why that particular word was chosen in describing Christ?

See post 193. In addition, frequency or infrequency of word use doesn't necessarily have anything to do with importance of what it being referred to.
196 posted on 03/27/2009 9:16:56 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: topcat54
But you clearly have not figured out the reason.

Because you don't agree with it doesn't mean...I didn't figure it out. :)

All of us have breasts...all of us do not have paps. For instance...in the same book the same 17th century translators used:

Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the Temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

Trying to read something into the passage that is not there is exegetically dangerous.

Trying to overlook something in a passage and explain it as something else...could also be dangerous. In this case, I don't think that applies but at the same time I would question if full understanding of that verse could be achieved if one didn't accept the word for what it is.

197 posted on 03/27/2009 9:45:53 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: aruanan

I did see post 193. See Post #197 :)


198 posted on 03/27/2009 9:47:31 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: topcat54
XS>and he saw spirit of Elohim coming down like dove and she ministered over him.

That's a faulty translation. While "dove" is feminine in Greek, there is no personal pronoun "she" in the original Greek text.

The proper translation is something like:

"... and He saw the Spirit of God (theos) descending as a dove and coming upon Him."

The quote is from the Hebrew Matthew know as Shem-Tov.

Matthew in his writings was the one who demonstrated the Messiahship of Yah'shua.

It from a book called the Hebrew Yeshua vs the Greek Jesus analyzing
the subtle differences between the Hebrew and Greek translations.

The author Nehemia Gordon is a Karaite Jew unencumbered by Rabbinism

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
199 posted on 03/27/2009 9:51:27 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: XeniaSt
The author Nehemia Gordon is a Karaite Jew unencumbered by Rabbinism

Well, that may be, but whoever translated Matthew into Hebrew from the Greek original missed it on this one.

200 posted on 03/27/2009 10:16:27 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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