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The Second Coming Happened Already

Posted on 03/25/2009 1:14:14 AM PDT by OPREV

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To: RetiredArmy
Not hardly. If Jesus had come again, there would be a lot of liberals, dimocrats, homos, Marxists, all missing today :) Well said!
251 posted on 03/29/2009 4:50:10 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: XeniaSt
Did Yah'shua speak to Rav Sh'aul in Hebrew ?

Let me try again, since perhaps you have a hard time with English.

Where does Mr Gordon start addressing the historicity of the alleged original Hebrew version of the gospel of Matthew (hereafter AOHM)? I'm really not interested in watching one side of a grudge match between apostates.

So, try setting aside the non sequitur and address the issue. In fact, let's go back to the beginning. You admonished me:

Good Luck in your search for Truth.

after commenting about a Hebrew work by one Shem Tov. (The work appears to be an attempt by medieval Jews to revise history and erase the clear messianic claims regarding Jesus from the Gospel of Matthew. “Many scholars view the text as a mediaeval translation from the Greek text of the Gospel of Matthew, as well as being the likely source of all later Hebrew versions of Matthew prior to the 20th century.” Wikipedia)

I asked about the historicity of this AOHM. You responded:

If you were intellectually open to understanding, I would recommend that you view this two hour video by Nehemia Gordon

So here we are with this video, made by an unbelieving Jew who is out to prove other unbelieving Jews are wrong about something. He's interpreting the Christian NT according to his own unbelieving views, and I have yet to discover any historically verifiable claim regarding the AOHM.

Good Luck in your search for Truth.

I think with this level of cooperation I need more than good luck.

252 posted on 03/29/2009 5:07:01 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: topcat54
Let me try again, since perhaps you have a hard time with English.

I can not help you if you are intellectually lazy.


253 posted on 03/29/2009 5:13:46 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: topcat54
I will not help someone who so rabidly anti-semitic.

Mazol Tov.

Enjoy your life.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

254 posted on 03/29/2009 5:16:50 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: XeniaSt; Lee N. Field
I will not help someone who so rabidly anti-semitic.

A convenient cop-out since nothing I've said is anti-Semitic by any objective standard.

You claims are transparently false.

255 posted on 03/29/2009 5:19:16 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: XeniaSt
The Shem Tov Matthew or any Hebrew Matthews, originated in Europe between 1300-1500. Precisely, Shem Tov or Shem Tob is dated 1380, while DuTillet and Muenster are about 1550. Together they make up the "Middle Ages Matthews" but, they are very different, and as one stated, that is one of the ironies.

Shem Tov's "Matthew", or Shem Tob's Matthew as some call it, which textual critics will tell you, is nothing more than an altered medieval text, which is a corrupt copy of the Latin text, which was originally copied from the Greek by those who didn't believe in Christ. Most legitimate textual critics have all but ignored this middle age manuscript.

The truth is that uninformed believers are being led by unbelievers to accept an altered anti-Christian version of Matthew that was included in the writing titled "Even Bohan" or "The Touchstone." This document was authored by Shem Tov, an unbelieving anti-Christian Jewish writer who some have referred to as a theologian, who resided in Spain during the fourteenth century. His copy of Hebrew Matthew has anti-Christian polemical commentary by him throughout the text.

The Jewish Encyclopedia states this about the author of the Even Bohan:

"...As a Talmudic scholar he carried on a correspondence with Sheshet. At Tarazona he completed his "Eben Bohan" (May, 1380 or 1385), a polemical work against baptized Jews..." [IBN SHAPRUT (SHAFRUT, By : Richard Gottheil ; Meyer Kayserling www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=43&letter=I&search=shem%20tov%2",,-1,0,,,,]

The Restoration Scriptures True Name Edition (RSTNE)


256 posted on 03/29/2009 6:58:34 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: XeniaSt
So I watched this video and found his “explanation” of Shem Tov Matthew beginning around the 1 hour mark. I found nothing that could be used to objectively authenticate the notion that this Hebrew version of Matthew is a 1st century production by the actual apostle Matthew. Nothing he said could conclusively discount the mainstream view that it was, in fact, a medieval anti-Christian production by Jewish anti-missionaries. It seemed intent to downplay the idea that Jesus is messiah by expunging any reference to “the anointed one” from the text entirely. Gordon himself sounds like a Karaite proselyte intent on gathering other unsuspecting proselytes to that sect.

I still fail to see why any Christian would put any stock in an intramural squabble among apostates from the faith of Abraham.

257 posted on 03/30/2009 10:47:26 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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