Posted on 03/25/2009 1:14:14 AM PDT by OPREV
Oops sorry about the formating problem. Yikes!
Try this instead.
http://www.davidjeremiah.org/site/magazine_content.aspx?id=232
A M E N ! ! ! !
“From the sixth hour, there was darkness over all the land, until the ninth hour... and suddenly the veil of the Sanctuary was torn in two, from top to bottom, the earth quaked, the rocks were split, the tombs opened and the bodies of many holy people arose from the dead, and these, after His resurrection, came out of the tombs, entered the holy city, and appeared to a number of people. The centurion, together with the others guarding Jesus, had seen the earthquake and all that was taking place, and they were terrified, and said, ‘Truly, this man was the Son of God.’’
Yes, this is a partial fulfillment but wait until full fulfillment comes and the earthquake that will shake the whole earth during one of the 21 judgements that will happen during the 7 year tribulation.
The Lord uses many old testament prophets to help us fully understand what is happening.
The sin of so many liberals in Christondom congregations is that such a view as yours excludes God’s work and promises to be fulfilled using Israel to bring all the nations to war against God Himself in the person of Jesus Christ our Lord. Amillenialism is a great heresy as it causes so many to curse Israel and therefore be cursed of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Again, search the scriptures and stop believing fool pastors and preachers and prists that have abandoned the Scriptures as the only truth, more than half of Christiondom is fighting against God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ because they hate and despise Israel whom God will use to bring in the final war of nations against Israel, beloved of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit.
You are fightning against the God of Israel if you curse Israel.
>> I can’t help myself here, but you are a freaking idiot and a heretic.<<
There’s that love of Christ that helps win souls. OPREV would do well to present his notions as questions or challenges. Alas, such a godly humility is lost entirely on people of this age, wherein every Protestant (ESPECIALLY those who prefer not to think of themselves as Protestants: Baptists, non-denominationalists, pentecostalists, etc.) follows whichever church makes the most sense to himself, and most Catholics would remake the church in their own image.
Were you there? How would you know? Joh 14:2&3 & 1Th 4:17 say that he takes the bride to heaven, not earth. He would have showed up, and then left. Maybe the Romans would have written about it. Wait, no, they didn't even write about all of the dead coming to life in Mat 27:52. Wait, didn't they have CNN back then? Maybe we could check the video logs. Nope! Lol. I guess we should ask Josephus. ;) :)
John, a member of that generation, did see all these things come to pass in his vision recorded in the book of Revelation. I am waiting to see these things with my own eyes, which I expect to happen soon
Maranatha.
I must have missed the newspaper accounts of this event.
>> The sin of so many liberals in Christendom congregations is that such a view as yours... <<
Wow, I thought the sin of so many liberals is that they condone abortion, extramarital sex, homosexual “marriages”, divorce, socialism, syncretism, and all sorts of other evils. Come to find out it’s that they share a view of mine? ;^D
>> excludes God’s work and promises to be fulfilled using Israel to bring all the nations to war against God Himself in the person of Jesus Christ our Lord. Amillenialism is a great heresy as it causes so many to curse Israel and therefore be cursed of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.<<
I didn’t say any such thing, nor does it inherently follow from what I wrote. Apparently, you read something I wrote, which resembles Amillenialism in certain ways. You’ve encountered heresies amidst certain Amillenialists, which you therefore ascribe to me. Next time, ask before you presume what I believe. Just because I may not believe each thing you believe does not mean I presume the negation of each such thing. It was Jews who first dwelt in the Kingdom of Heaven, and it will be Israel who shall be in the forefront of the conquering of the dragon, who has been set free for a time.
>> The sin of so many liberals in Christendom congregations is that such a view as yours... <<
Wow, I thought the sin of so many liberals is that they condone abortion, extramarital sex, homosexual “marriages”, divorce, socialism, syncretism, and all sorts of other evils. Come to find out it’s that they share a view of mine? ;^D
>> excludes God’s work and promises to be fulfilled using Israel to bring all the nations to war against God Himself in the person of Jesus Christ our Lord. Amillenialism is a great heresy as it causes so many to curse Israel and therefore be cursed of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.<<
I didn’t say any such thing, nor does it inherently follow from what I wrote. Apparently, you read something I wrote, which resembles Amillenialism in certain ways. You’ve encountered heresies amidst certain Amillenialists, which you therefore ascribe to me. Next time, ask before you presume what I believe. Just because I may not believe each thing you believe does not mean I presume the negation of each such thing. It was Jews who first dwelt in the Kingdom of Heaven, and it will be Israel who shall be in the forefront of the conquering of the dragon, who has been set free for a time.
I agree. This verse gave me trouble as a new Christian, until it was explained to me. And it makes much more sense than Him telling them THEY would live to see it.
Post 19, BUMP TO THE TOP.
EVEN SO, COME QUICKLY, LORD JESUS.
Amen, preach it!
POST 61 FROM THE OTHER THREAD:
A number of thoughts . . . briefly . . .
1. I’m convinced that God intends for America to endure in some form past looming literal Armageddon. Therefore, it will.
2. God is also not about to leave America any less disciplined than He was forced to discipline Israel a number of times in the Old Testament. We have crossed far too far over too many outrageously sinful lines . . . gross rampant infanticide being but one of the more serious ones.
3. The globalist oligarchy is determined to do what they can to utterly destroy America in order to make setting up the global government easier. They will “achieve” a LOT toward that goal by many horrible, very deadly and chaotic means.
4. Even most Pentecostal conservative alert END TIMES AWARE Christians are woefully unprepared spiritually and in terms of daily life prep. Most pastors have been irresponsible and negligent, imho.
5. Shoot, even tons of FREEPERS think it’s virtually unpatriotic to just open one’s eyes and register what’s going on in our faces these days. They have hardly BEGUN to wrap their noggins around the REAL realities looming on the near horizon.
6. God alone is our refuge. Folks need to be praying and possibly fasting as they are led and able . . . and stockpiling as they are led and able. Pretending that in all cases God is going to send angelic hosts to provide steak and what not is just not my sense of what’s ahead.
7. Those who are most confessed up, repented up, prayed up, forgiven up, ready to go up . . . walking closest to God will be treated like the 5 wise virgins in a variety of ways. Others won’t. Some will make Heaven by a very thin margin.
8. Memorizing Scripture is a wise exercise while we can.
9. Learning to forgive is essential.
10. Learning patience is essential.
11. Learning humility is essential.
12. Learning to let go of anger is essential.
13. Learning that we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers in high places is essential.
14. Learning to hear God’s voice and obey His voice—and no other—will be increasingly essential.
15. Being prepared to walk utterly away AND NOT LOOK BACK at EVERYTHING in one’s life . . . will be increasingly essential.
16. Knowing how to count the cost of following anything and anyone but JESUS, HIS SPIRIT, HIS FATHER . . . IS ESSENTIAL.
17. Denominationally addicted churchianity will be a curse instead of a help. Won’t matter the organization or structure; traditions nor lineage of any kind. God will turn a deaf ear to the “Yeah, but’s . . . “
18. Petty and even some significant denominational distinctives will fall by the wayside as far from important. Folks clinging to them will find themselves left by God of The Angel Armies . . . in the frightful dust—increasingly OUTSIDE THE CAMP OF THE RIGHTEOUS.
19. Those who learn to Trust God utterly and put HIM UTTERLY FIRST SHALL DO GREAT EXPLOITS by His Spirit, His Power, His will assisted by His angel armies..
20. Luke warm pseudo-’Christians’ will be worse off than pagans in terms of traumas and disciplines.
21. Not knowing 9-16 above will be extremely costly—for many, probably even eternally costly.
22. Putting off practicing spiritual heart habits and attitudes outlined above will be deadly. One doesn’t wake up on a Monday morning and learn such things in half an hour. It’s almost very very very late to begin PRACTICING such NOW.
23. God does love us more than we can imagine—and certainly more than those of us with ATTACHMENT DISORDER can imagine. He is NOT about to forsake those who have forsaken all for Him.
24. We are called to love even our enemies. That’s not a joke. That’s not a lofty . . . maybe-on-my-death-bed-a-little sort of plan. He calls us to now. He will expect it in the future when enemies will be off the wall horrific. That may still entail dealing with them with maximum force.
25. Yet, we do well to remember that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal . . . to the pulling down of strongholds . . . through prayer, fasting etc. . . . That may not preclude defending one’s home and family with maximum force. One must be led of Holy Spirit in all matters and certainly in that one.
26. The same God who provided manna, quail and water out of a rock in the wilderness . . . is OUR GOD IF WE HAVE ACCEPTED CHRIST AS SAVIOR AND BEGUN TO TREAT GOD AS GOD accordingly.
27. Though an angel from heaven, an “ET” or any other creature preach any other gospel or deny that Christ came in the flesh—consider all such accursed and to be avoided wholesale.
28. Avoid rides with such creatures. Avoid compliance with such creatures.
29. The ruling powers that be in human realms are increasingly evil to the core. Be wise. Fear not. Trust God.
30. CHRIST’S PEACE THAT PASSES UNDERSTANDING; HIS JOY UNSPEAKABLE; HIS RESILIENCE; HIS CONFIDENT TRUST IN THE FATHER WILL BE INCREASINGLY OURS WHEN WE ASK FOR IT AND STEP OUT IN THE BEST FAITH WE CAN, BY HIS GRACE, MUSTER TOWARD SUCH.
61 posted on Monday, March 23, 2009 8:16:01 PM by Quix
MT 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
MT 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
MT 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
MT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
MT 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
MT 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
MT 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
MT 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
MT 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
MT 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
MT 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
MT 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
MT 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
MT 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
MT 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
MT 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
MT 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
MT 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
MT 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
MT 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
MT 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
I missed the part in there about the stars falling from Heaven...
II Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
That is a terrific quote and...yes, we do. Knowing Oprev for this past year allowed me to see that treasure in him but...I don't agree with him on this subject.
Your connection from Matthew 24:29 to Luke 23:44 was one I had not considered before. To me, the difference in the two that distinguishes them from being about the same time is...
1. The stars didn't fall, the stars being the fallen angels.
2. The rocks splitting could be the same as...Zechariah 14:4 except for the timing. In Luke the "rocks split" when He was crucified. In Zechariah it happens upon His return. To me, it was a type or shadow of what will be
I see all this spiritually anyway. The "bodies of many holy people arose from the dead, and these, after His resurrection, came out of the tombs, entered the holy city, and appeared to a number of people," to me means...
Upon His resurrection all of those that believed in Him rose. Remember, between His crucifixion and resurrection He went to those "in prison" and taught them...offering His salvation. Those that accepted are the "holy people" that arose from the dead...the spiritually as well as physically dead.
The "holy city" they entered is the "New Jerusalem" that is His beloved city, us...believers.
Also...You very conveniently did NOT quote Rev 20:2-3...
“He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.”
Explain to everyone, EXACTLY when that 1000 year period was when satan did NOT deceive the world because he was bound in the Abyss.
No vague garbage reply, no pride filled boasting, false assumption, or misdirection, just the dates when satan did NOT deceive the world for 1000 years.
Also, you very conveniently (for your purposes) left out a key part of Rev 4...you know, that part about the beheaded believers coming back to life and reigning with Christ.
You creatively quoted Rev. 4 as...
“Rev 20:4 ...and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, ... and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the WHOLE verse reads...
“I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Explain to everyone what evidence you have that all the beheaded believers came to life and are apparently now reigning with Christ!
You do not use the whole counsel of god, but twist scripture for your own deceptive purposes and thereby attempt to deceive believers into false beliefs, based upon lies.
In Bible study, we say; “Any verse taken out of context is a pretext.”
Be very careful to proclaim yourself to be a teacher of God's Word, lest you lead any of His children astray from His truth.
“Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers and sisters, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.” Jas 3:1
You sir are teaching false doctrine and are a false prophet.
You would be very wise to be silent on this whole matter of Bible teaching and to cease your attempt to deceive God's children. You have shown yourself to be a false prophet and will one day be held to account for the little ones you have led astray. You are warned.
ty for the ping!
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