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The Second Coming Happened Already

Posted on 03/25/2009 1:14:14 AM PDT by OPREV

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Post 19, BUMP TO THE TOP.

EVEN SO, COME QUICKLY, LORD JESUS.


51 posted on 03/25/2009 6:06:03 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Quix

Amen, preach it!


52 posted on 03/25/2009 6:08:31 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2212782/posts?page=61#61


53 posted on 03/25/2009 6:11:03 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Quix

POST 61 FROM THE OTHER THREAD:

A number of thoughts . . . briefly . . .

1. I’m convinced that God intends for America to endure in some form past looming literal Armageddon. Therefore, it will.

2. God is also not about to leave America any less disciplined than He was forced to discipline Israel a number of times in the Old Testament. We have crossed far too far over too many outrageously sinful lines . . . gross rampant infanticide being but one of the more serious ones.

3. The globalist oligarchy is determined to do what they can to utterly destroy America in order to make setting up the global government easier. They will “achieve” a LOT toward that goal by many horrible, very deadly and chaotic means.

4. Even most Pentecostal conservative alert END TIMES AWARE Christians are woefully unprepared spiritually and in terms of daily life prep. Most pastors have been irresponsible and negligent, imho.

5. Shoot, even tons of FREEPERS think it’s virtually unpatriotic to just open one’s eyes and register what’s going on in our faces these days. They have hardly BEGUN to wrap their noggins around the REAL realities looming on the near horizon.

6. God alone is our refuge. Folks need to be praying and possibly fasting as they are led and able . . . and stockpiling as they are led and able. Pretending that in all cases God is going to send angelic hosts to provide steak and what not is just not my sense of what’s ahead.

7. Those who are most confessed up, repented up, prayed up, forgiven up, ready to go up . . . walking closest to God will be treated like the 5 wise virgins in a variety of ways. Others won’t. Some will make Heaven by a very thin margin.

8. Memorizing Scripture is a wise exercise while we can.

9. Learning to forgive is essential.

10. Learning patience is essential.

11. Learning humility is essential.

12. Learning to let go of anger is essential.

13. Learning that we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers in high places is essential.

14. Learning to hear God’s voice and obey His voice—and no other—will be increasingly essential.

15. Being prepared to walk utterly away AND NOT LOOK BACK at EVERYTHING in one’s life . . . will be increasingly essential.

16. Knowing how to count the cost of following anything and anyone but JESUS, HIS SPIRIT, HIS FATHER . . . IS ESSENTIAL.

17. Denominationally addicted churchianity will be a curse instead of a help. Won’t matter the organization or structure; traditions nor lineage of any kind. God will turn a deaf ear to the “Yeah, but’s . . . “

18. Petty and even some significant denominational distinctives will fall by the wayside as far from important. Folks clinging to them will find themselves left by God of The Angel Armies . . . in the frightful dust—increasingly OUTSIDE THE CAMP OF THE RIGHTEOUS.

19. Those who learn to Trust God utterly and put HIM UTTERLY FIRST SHALL DO GREAT EXPLOITS by His Spirit, His Power, His will assisted by His angel armies..

20. Luke warm pseudo-’Christians’ will be worse off than pagans in terms of traumas and disciplines.

21. Not knowing 9-16 above will be extremely costly—for many, probably even eternally costly.

22. Putting off practicing spiritual heart habits and attitudes outlined above will be deadly. One doesn’t wake up on a Monday morning and learn such things in half an hour. It’s almost very very very late to begin PRACTICING such NOW.

23. God does love us more than we can imagine—and certainly more than those of us with ATTACHMENT DISORDER can imagine. He is NOT about to forsake those who have forsaken all for Him.

24. We are called to love even our enemies. That’s not a joke. That’s not a lofty . . . maybe-on-my-death-bed-a-little sort of plan. He calls us to now. He will expect it in the future when enemies will be off the wall horrific. That may still entail dealing with them with maximum force.

25. Yet, we do well to remember that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal . . . to the pulling down of strongholds . . . through prayer, fasting etc. . . . That may not preclude defending one’s home and family with maximum force. One must be led of Holy Spirit in all matters and certainly in that one.

26. The same God who provided manna, quail and water out of a rock in the wilderness . . . is OUR GOD IF WE HAVE ACCEPTED CHRIST AS SAVIOR AND BEGUN TO TREAT GOD AS GOD accordingly.

27. Though an angel from heaven, an “ET” or any other creature preach any other gospel or deny that Christ came in the flesh—consider all such accursed and to be avoided wholesale.

28. Avoid rides with such creatures. Avoid compliance with such creatures.

29. The ruling powers that be in human realms are increasingly evil to the core. Be wise. Fear not. Trust God.

30. CHRIST’S PEACE THAT PASSES UNDERSTANDING; HIS JOY UNSPEAKABLE; HIS RESILIENCE; HIS CONFIDENT TRUST IN THE FATHER WILL BE INCREASINGLY OURS WHEN WE ASK FOR IT AND STEP OUT IN THE BEST FAITH WE CAN, BY HIS GRACE, MUSTER TOWARD SUCH.

61 posted on Monday, March 23, 2009 8:16:01 PM by Quix


54 posted on 03/25/2009 6:12:22 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: OPREV
The fig tree Lord Jesus talked about is Israel reborn. The fig tree He cursed and that withered was Israel because they did no believe that Jesus Christ was their Messiah and King. God in His foreknowledge knew all this and made it happen according to his plan. Israel was set aside and the body of Christ was started in Acts 10 and 11 when Peter preached the good news of Jesus Christ to Cornellius and his house and friends and they believed and immediately the Holy Spirit fell on them like He did on the converted Jews at the day of Pentecost, this was a shock to Peter and his friends that the Spirit fell on these pagan gentiles. This is when God stared the grace age church by Paul the Apostle to the gentiles, a religious Jew whom God saved and stripped of all His religion and sent unto the gentiles as the scriptures teach.
Anyway, God set Israel aside and they have indeed suffered for that sin as they and their children had had their part in the crucifixion of God's only begotten Son Jesus Christ. The Christ was crucified on a roman cross by an unjust judge named Pontius Pilate who knew Jesus was innocent and that the Sanhedrin delivered Him up for envy but he was willing to do them a favor. Acts 4 teaches that both Jew and Gentile are responsible for the crucifixion and death of the only man in all earths history who fulfilled the law. This of course is why men suffer in life but we who believe God in Christ Jesus are saved from the wrath of God to come on all the earth when God uses Israel to bring all the nations of the earth to Israel to fight against and destroy Israel under the control of Satan's man anti Christ. The world will love the beast and follow Him and the nations armies will die on the mountains of Israel when God fights for Israel at the end of the 7 year tribulation.
All of this is taught in the sciptures and the people who call themselves Christians need to believe and read the Scriptures to understand. I did this after I left the heresies and religion of the Roman Church.
Search the Scripture's.

MT 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

MT 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

MT 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

MT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

MT 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

MT 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

MT 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

MT 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

MT 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

MT 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

MT 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

MT 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

MT 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

MT 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

MT 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

MT 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

MT 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

MT 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

MT 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

MT 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

MT 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

55 posted on 03/25/2009 6:13:12 AM PDT by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: dangus

I missed the part in there about the stars falling from Heaven...


56 posted on 03/25/2009 6:15:10 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: OPREV

II Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.


57 posted on 03/25/2009 6:20:19 AM PDT by Korzeniowski
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To: dangus; OPREV
“We hold a treasure, not made of Gold, of untold wealth in earthen vessels.”

That is a terrific quote and...yes, we do. Knowing Oprev for this past year allowed me to see that treasure in him but...I don't agree with him on this subject.

Your connection from Matthew 24:29 to Luke 23:44 was one I had not considered before. To me, the difference in the two that distinguishes them from being about the same time is...

1. The stars didn't fall, the stars being the fallen angels.

2. The rocks splitting could be the same as...Zechariah 14:4 except for the timing. In Luke the "rocks split" when He was crucified. In Zechariah it happens upon His return. To me, it was a type or shadow of what will be

I see all this spiritually anyway. The "bodies of many holy people arose from the dead, and these, after His resurrection, came out of the tombs, entered the holy city, and appeared to a number of people," to me means...

Upon His resurrection all of those that believed in Him rose. Remember, between His crucifixion and resurrection He went to those "in prison" and taught them...offering His salvation. Those that accepted are the "holy people" that arose from the dead...the spiritually as well as physically dead.

The "holy city" they entered is the "New Jerusalem" that is His beloved city, us...believers.

58 posted on 03/25/2009 6:40:40 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: OPREV
How convenient that you left out verses 32 & 33 in Matthew 24.

Also...You very conveniently did NOT quote Rev 20:2-3...

“He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.”

Explain to everyone, EXACTLY when that 1000 year period was when satan did NOT deceive the world because he was bound in the Abyss.

No vague garbage reply, no pride filled boasting, false assumption, or misdirection, just the dates when satan did NOT deceive the world for 1000 years.

Also, you very conveniently (for your purposes) left out a key part of Rev 4...you know, that part about the beheaded believers coming back to life and reigning with Christ.

You creatively quoted Rev. 4 as...
“Rev 20:4 ...and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, ... and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the WHOLE verse reads...
“I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

Explain to everyone what evidence you have that all the beheaded believers came to life and are apparently now reigning with Christ!

You do not use the whole counsel of god, but twist scripture for your own deceptive purposes and thereby attempt to deceive believers into false beliefs, based upon lies.

In Bible study, we say; “Any verse taken out of context is a pretext.”

Be very careful to proclaim yourself to be a teacher of God's Word, lest you lead any of His children astray from His truth.

“Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers and sisters, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.” Jas 3:1

You sir are teaching false doctrine and are a false prophet.

You would be very wise to be silent on this whole matter of Bible teaching and to cease your attempt to deceive God's children. You have shown yourself to be a false prophet and will one day be held to account for the little ones you have led astray. You are warned.

59 posted on 03/25/2009 6:46:37 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: Quix

ty for the ping!


60 posted on 03/25/2009 6:52:28 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: Ping-Pong; OPREV

>> That is a terrific quote and...yes, we do. Knowing Oprev for this past year allowed me to see that treasure in him but...I don’t agree with him on this subject. <<

I don’t agree with him on this subject, either... but he is discovering some flaws in those who read Revelation as if it supposed to be strictly in the distant (or worse, imminent) future. I’m taking a chance that he’s in a phase of intellectually healthy exploration, and trying to nudge him towards fruitful discoveries.

That said, there is a grave danger of being too assertive in denouncing what one perceives as orthodoxy, OPREV. There are many wolves out there, who will echo a little bit of what they expect will resonate in you. Hold tight to the firm conviction that the bible is inerrant truth, so as to be protected from new-agey and anti-Christian scoundrels and the sorts like freemasons, readers of Dan Brown, new agers, quasi-Christians, etc. But don’t fall for thinking those who disagree with your interpretation don’t look to the bible for doctrine.


61 posted on 03/25/2009 7:04:08 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Ping-Pong; OPREV

>> That is a terrific quote and...yes, we do. Knowing Oprev for this past year allowed me to see that treasure in him but...I don’t agree with him on this subject. <<

I don’t agree with him on this subject, either... but he is discovering some flaws in those who read Revelation as if it supposed to be strictly in the distant (or worse, imminent) future. I’m taking a chance that he’s in a phase of intellectually healthy exploration, and trying to nudge him towards fruitful discoveries.

That said, there is a grave danger of being too assertive in denouncing what one perceives as orthodoxy, OPREV. There are many wolves out there, who will echo a little bit of what they expect will resonate in you. Hold tight to the firm conviction that the bible is inerrant truth, so as to be protected from new-agey and anti-Christian scoundrels and the sorts like freemasons, readers of Dan Brown, new agers, quasi-Christians, etc. But don’t fall for thinking those who disagree with your interpretation don’t look to the bible for doctrine.


62 posted on 03/25/2009 7:04:09 AM PDT by dangus
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To: OPREV; All
I'm not going to get involved in the hyper-preterism (aka Pantelism aka Hymenaen preterism) debate.

I'll just reference a couple articles: A Brief Theological Analysis of Hyper-Preterism by Ken Gentry and The Allurement of Hymenaen Preterism by Jim West.

Enjoy.

63 posted on 03/25/2009 7:29:27 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: OPREV

Thanks for the personal assault.

My reality testing is quite good, actually.

There are a LOT of Scriptures about God bringing the Jews SCATTERED in 70 AD

BACK to Jerusalem DURING THE END TIMES ERA.

That obviously did NOT happen in 70 AD since God did the OPPOSITE then.

BTW, Scriptures & Scriptural facts don’t seem to have the least bit of influence over REPLACEMENTARIAN, AMIL, POST MIL cluelessness.


64 posted on 03/25/2009 7:47:24 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: kindred

INDEED.


65 posted on 03/25/2009 7:48:19 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: dangus
EVIDENTLY, it was MISSED wholesale that there were NO personal insults in my post. My post was about the ideas presented in the OP.

ENGLISH LESSONS FOR NAYSAYERS RE INSULTS AND DIFFERENT VS SAME:

It appears that a major proportion of the naysayers need some ENGLISH REFRESHER LESSONS:

“personal”

IS NOT REALLY that difficult a concept.

It comes from the word “person.”

A “PERSON” is

DIFFERENT from

1. A GROUP
2. THEY
3. Y’ALL
4. THEM
5. SOME OF THEM
6. CADRE
7. A COLLECTION OF

WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM [i.e. NOT the SAME as]:

A “PERSON” IS directly associated with

1. YOU
2. HE
3. SHE

I realize that the more chronic naysayers tend to have a dreadfully difficult time distinguishing between

DIFFERENT

VS

SAME

but it does make it a lot easier when some of them try.

AND, I realize that the more chronic naysayers have this THING about

OBSESSIVE, ADDICTIVE EXTRAPOLATING, ASSUMING, INFERRING . . .

however, as I understand things . . .

EXTRAPOLATING, ASSUMING, INFERRING

[accurately or not]

PERSONAL “INSULT” DOES NOT COUNT.

The rules have to do with plainly written PERSONAL insult.

We will return screens to regularly scheduled programming after the following freebie additional refresher lesson:

This English Comprehension lesson has concluded.

DISTINCTIONS REALLY ARE IMPORTANT.

DISTINGUISHING

THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN

THE CHURCH AGE

VS THE MILLENNIAL AGE

IS IMPORTANT IN SCRIPTURE. It could rationally be considered important in life.

DISTINGUISHING

THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN

AN INDIVIDUAL

VS

A GROUP

IS IMPORTANT.

DISTINGUISHING

THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN

calling even a group idiotic vs a belief, perspective, idea, doctrine idiotic

IS IMPORTANT.

I’m beginning to wonder if it’s something in the holy water that REPLACEMENTARIAN, preterist, amil’s might drink that renders them incapable of making important distinctions.

Of course, the awake, aware and alert need no such lessons and the otherwise will not heed them but . . . just for the record, there they are! LOL.

66 posted on 03/25/2009 7:57:00 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Cvengr

Well put.


67 posted on 03/25/2009 7:57:38 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping.

I was thinking, the only real difference between 'preterism' and 'hyper-preterism' is that one of them runs into a phone pole, and the other runs into a tree.

They are both car wrecks.

68 posted on 03/25/2009 8:09:32 AM PDT by fishtank (Until the GOP repents of supporting Bush, people will think they're just "bashing 0bama".)
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To: Quix
We are about one week away from a global currency, by the way (if the jerks in DC get their way).

And yet the non-futurist view says "that don't mean a thing".

As we say in Texas, that dog don't hunt.

69 posted on 03/25/2009 8:11:43 AM PDT by fishtank (Until the GOP repents of supporting Bush, people will think they're just "bashing 0bama".)
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To: fishtank; OPREV

INDEED.

BTW, OPREV,

WHEN in 70 A.D.

DID FOLKS SEE THE 2 WITNESSES’ BODIES LYING IN THE STREETS OF JERUSALEM.

WORLD WIDE BY SATELLITE TV?

HINT—AIN’T HAPPENED YET!!!!!

BUT IT’S GETTING ALL COCKED AND READY TO!


Though one doubts that many of the willfully blind REPLACEMENTARIANS, AMILS, POST MILS et al will be courageous enough to take the black leather hoods off their heads and REALLY SEE much of anything.


70 posted on 03/25/2009 8:17:47 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Ping-Pong

Sorry but I disagree wholesale with the interpretations in your post.


71 posted on 03/25/2009 8:19:12 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: woollyone

You are welcome for the ping, of course.

GREAT points as usual.

Of course, they have no adequate answer of any sort.

And certainly no LOGICAL, BIBLICAL, HISTORICALLY ACCURATE ANSWER IN THE LEAST.


72 posted on 03/25/2009 8:20:17 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: fishtank

One would think that . . .

repeatedly sticking one’s head in the

. . . sand . . .

would be really bothersome and cause a lot of trouble to clean all that sand out of one’s ears and nose so often.

How DO they manage that?


73 posted on 03/25/2009 8:23:10 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
The generation which saw Israel become a nation again in a day in 1948 will not completely die off until all the rest of the END TIMES prophecies [i.e. those up through Armageddon and the beginning of the Millenial reign of Christ] are fulfilled.

NO OTHER INTERPRETATION MAKES SENSE WITH THE COUNSEL OF THE WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE. NO OTHER INTERPRETATION MAKES SENSE WITH UNDISTORTED FACTS OF HISTORY.

My husband says this too. We have a long way to go before that generation is gone, and things are moving faster every day.

74 posted on 03/25/2009 8:24:28 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.

BLESS YOU AND HUBBY FOR YOUR KIND AFFIRMATION OF BIBLICAL TRUTHS.


75 posted on 03/25/2009 8:27:56 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Actually, “mind-reading” is not permitted on these threads. Maybe you missed the fact that the article was a vanity, but you said “It’s purpose is to seed confusion and delusion about crucial END TIMES prophecies and Biblical Truths...”

Reading an evil intent into a Freeper’s commentary is ideed getting personal, especially when you refer to work from them as “trash from the enemy of your soul.”

Writing in colored letters, bold letters, oversized fonts and all caps each indicate shouting, rage, ignorance, self-importance, or general social incompetence. Combine them, and, well, you can guess the effect they have.

Now, I’m not saying you are shouting, raging, ignorant, self-important, or generally socially incompetent. That’s not just because I’m trying to skirt around the “don’t make it personal” rules. The truth is I don’t know you. But I am letting you know that if you want to achieve more than trash talk and high fives, you should know that intemperate comments, and huge, bold, colored, capitalized fonts are more commonly associated with con men from Nigeria, socially isolated rage-a-holics, and conspiracy theorists than with decent, effective preaching and witnessing.


76 posted on 03/25/2009 9:13:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Quix
Sorry but I disagree wholesale with the interpretations in your post.

That's okay Quix...as far as I can tell there are very few of us that agree with others. LOL. I think it's all part of His plan. It keeps us discussing the Word which is right where He wants us to be. We'll all come together one day and everyone will know "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but...the truth!"

77 posted on 03/25/2009 9:29:27 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: fishtank; Quix
I was thinking, the only real difference between 'preterism' and 'hyper-preterism' is that one of them runs into a phone pole, and the other runs into a tree.

That's why you folks will never get it.


78 posted on 03/25/2009 9:31:53 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: dangus
>> The kingdom of God is within you. ;) <<

True... you are getting there. The question is: within who? And, if the kingdom of Heaven is within us, where shall we see all those things which John said he saw?

I wouldn't say that we will see all of the things John saw happen within ourselves. Jesus went up to a literal "Heaven" (Sky, space, wherever), and, he said that he was not from this world, but, from above. There should be a literal "above" (Heaven) somewhere. Interesting notion though. I will have to check it out. :D

Joh 8:23 He said to them, "You are from below, I am from above. You are of this world, but I am not of this world.

Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he parted from them, and was carried up into heaven.

79 posted on 03/25/2009 11:13:01 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: dangus
OPREV would do well to present his notions as questions or challenges.

I did that already on an actual Christian forum. Then, I came to believe that it was true. Questioned 1st, studied, became convinced. There is more pointing to a first century return than not. :)

80 posted on 03/25/2009 11:21:30 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: Joya
Post 19, BUMP TO THE TOP. EVEN SO, COME QUICKLY, LORD JESUS.

Post 19 was psychotic. Check the list of the fruits of the Spirit. Which one did that post exude? Any? Lol. 0_o :)

81 posted on 03/25/2009 11:30:56 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: kindred
The world will love the beast and follow Him and the nations armies will die on the mountains of Israel when God fights for Israel at the end of the 7 year tribulation.

The Beast came and went. Daniel's 4th beast was Rome.

Jesus didn't literally kill the soldiers with a sword. The sword is the word of God. And the birds feasting on flesh weren't literal either.

Rev 19:21 and the rest were killed with the sword (the word of God) of him that sat upon the horse, even the sword (word of God) which came forth out of his mouth: and all the birds (spirits) were filled with their flesh.

Parable of the Sower - Mat 13:4 and as he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the birds came and devoured them:

Interpretation of the Parable - Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the evil one, and snatcheth away that which hath been sown in his heart. This is he that was sown by the way side.

The bird(s) in the Parable was Satan. The good birds in Mat 13:31&32 would be the Holy Spirit. The birds in Rev 19:21 were spirits or Satan himself. Not literal birds. Thus, there was no bloodbath when Christ killed the beast's armies. :)

82 posted on 03/25/2009 11:45:51 AM PDT by OPREV
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To: Ping-Pong

Little oops on the quote. Others have already made the biblical references that the Holy Spirit and the Kingdom of God are within us, but this quote doesn’t refer to that. Rather, it is a reference to 2 Corinthians 4.

But actually, recognizing what Paul doesn’t explicitly says brings up an interesting realization in me: Paul is writing how the gospel is a treasure within ourselves. He’s making a comparison to holding the scripture in earthen vessels.

For centuries, this reference must have been missed, but indeed, we do now know that the people of Paul’s time were actually preserving the scriptures within earthen pottery!


83 posted on 03/25/2009 12:13:02 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Quix
Thanks for the personal assault. My reality testing is quite good, actually. There are a LOT of Scriptures about God bringing the Jews SCATTERED in 70 AD BACK to Jerusalem DURING THE END TIMES ERA. That obviously did NOT happen in 70 AD since God did the OPPOSITE then. BTW, Scriptures & Scriptural facts don’t seem to have the least bit of influence over REPLACEMENTARIAN, AMIL, POST MIL cluelessness.

People just have a problem believing scripture

Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord is at hand.

That was 1950 years ago

84 posted on 03/25/2009 12:37:22 PM PDT by OPREV
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To: OPREV

Yes, Revelations describes what John saw when what was in Heaven was revealed to him. But he also describes the nature of the Kingdom of Heaven. And the Lord’s Prayer petitions, “thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.” So there are things on Earth which are a foretaste of what is in Heaven. Seek them out.


85 posted on 03/25/2009 12:39:53 PM PDT by dangus
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To: OPREV

I don’t mean that you should question so you can say to yourself, “I posed my hypothesis, and they failed to convince me I was wrong.” I mean that if you come to a spiritual realization that is so contrary to 1900 years of predominant Christian thought, it is better to seek deeper understanding than to presume you are the correct one.

There are thousands of contradictory doctrines, almost all of them initially espoused by people believing they were uniquely spiritually insightful and more faithful to the bible than all the others whose doctrines they contradict. I believe you are correct in identifying where some difficult passages of scripture are ignored or explained away with undue ease by certain sects. But there are other resolutions than the ones you have reached which may also satisfy the shortcomings you have identified. If you are less certain yours is the perfect answer, you can benefit from others’ insight.

Or you can simply ignite many arguments.

Or you can do both :^D.


86 posted on 03/25/2009 12:51:17 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Thank you Dangus. What caught my eye when going to the quote, which has nothing to do with the subject LOL, was....

Satan blinds those that "believe not"....

11 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

God blinds some so that they "should not understand."

John 12:40 "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."

That was interesting. The hard cases, the beasts of the earth, are blinded by Satan. The other souls, believers and righteous people, are blinded from full truth by God for their protection.

87 posted on 03/25/2009 12:57:27 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: OPREV
Jesus came back, in the 1st century, like he said he would, and, his angels gathered the elect and they went back to heaven. Which means, we live in the millenium.

And the next thing we would see is, the Bride coming out of Heaven

Forgettin' something there, aren't ya??? If you're are standing here on a piece of ground and you see heaven opens up and the Bride heading down, THE CHURCH, that means you ain't part of it...

The Wedding is OVER...And you missed it...I'd be a little nervous if I was you...

There is NOTHING in Scripture that suggests you can become part of the Bride AFTER the Wedding ceremony is done...

88 posted on 03/25/2009 1:04:46 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: dangus
Or you can simply ignite many arguments.

Lol. ;) Hey, sounds ok to me. Lol. :D

When the truth is told, the demons come out. It was evident here in the thread. :) Check everything with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Which posts are opposite? :)

89 posted on 03/25/2009 1:33:31 PM PDT by OPREV
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To: Iscool
Forgettin' something there, aren't ya??? If you're are standing here on a piece of ground and you see heaven opens up and the Bride heading down, THE CHURCH, that means you ain't part of it... The Wedding is OVER...And you missed it...I'd be a little nervous if I was you... There is NOTHING in Scripture that suggests you can become part of the Bride AFTER the Wedding ceremony is done...

Actually, there is scripture that says you can be part of the bride after the wedding.

Jesus took the bride to heaven (Joh 14:2&3, 1Th 4:17), and there are saints on the earth during the millenium (Rev 20:9).

Not to mention, with God, all things are possible. At least, with mine they are. ;) :)

90 posted on 03/25/2009 1:47:01 PM PDT by OPREV
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To: OPREV
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

There is no problem. Jesus said it. Therefore it must be true. ;) :)

Well let's take a look at this statement that you agree is true.

The Greek word for generation is Genea. Strong's number 1074; noun whose original meaning was generation, that is, a multitude of contemporaries. In NT Gr. genea literally means space of time, circle of time, which only in a derived sense signifies the meaning of a time, a race; then generally in the sense of affinity of communion based upon the sameness of stock. Race or posterity (Acts 8:33). Generation (Matthew 1:17), occurs with special reference to the physical or moral circumstances, speaking of an age or time referring to the spiritual state of society at the time (Hebrews 3:10, cf. Luke 7:31; 11:31; Acts 13:36). The connection alone must decide whether the sense is limited to the state of society at a certain time or to race or stock. The word genea in Matthew 24:34 meant the type of Jew with whom Jesus was conversing during that particular time (Matthew 21:23; 23:29). He was telling them that this generation or type, such as the Sadducees and Pharisees of that day, would not pass away until all these things occurred and until His coming again in His parousia (Strong's 3952), Second Coming. He was prophesying the destruction of their nation (Matthew 24:15-28) (emphasis mine, reference The complete New Testament Word Study by Spiros Zodhiates, Th.D.)

So understanding in context what the word generation means we can see that Jesus was not talking specifically about those saints he saw and was speaking to face-to-face. Add to this what Jesus said prior about the specific signs in the heavens, the gatering of his elect, and the parable of the fig tree we can be certain that he was not speaking of the contemporaries of Peter and James.

And then let's take a look at what Jesus had to say after "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." He spoke of two being in the field or grinding at the mill and one being taken and the other left. Where in history do we have record of something of this uniqueness happening? Do you not think our history books (biased as they may be) would not mention this phenomena?

Common sense (although not so common anymore) and good study makes it pretty obvious that these events spoken of by Jesus have not occurred just yet.

91 posted on 03/25/2009 2:00:29 PM PDT by JesusBmyGod (Baruch HaBa B'Shem Adonai)
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To: OPREV
Jesus took the bride to heaven (Joh 14:2&3, 1Th 4:17), and there are saints on the earth during the millenium (Rev 20:9).

They may be Saints, but they are not the Bride, or part of it...Those are people that were deceived...

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever

Not to mention, with God, all things are possible. At least, with mine they are. ;) :)

That's true...He may set me at His left hand...But I don't think I'd use that for an answer about God's prophecy...

92 posted on 03/25/2009 2:01:59 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: ScubieNuc

wonderful words of wisdom. Thank you. Shalom


93 posted on 03/25/2009 2:04:27 PM PDT by JesusBmyGod (Baruch HaBa B'Shem Adonai)
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To: Quix
LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED.

Whoohoo! AMEN. Praise be to God Most High :D

94 posted on 03/25/2009 2:06:34 PM PDT by JesusBmyGod (Baruch HaBa B'Shem Adonai)
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To: JesusBmyGod
1Pe 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore of sound mind, and be sober unto prayer:

1Co 7:31 and those that use the world, as not using it to the full: for the fashion of this world passeth away.

Rom 13:11 And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep: for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed.

2Ti 4:1 I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is about to judge living and dead at his manifestation and his reign--

Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord is at hand.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 3:11 'I am coming quickly! Be holding fast what you have, so that no one shall receive your victor's wreath.

Rev 22:7 "{And} listen! I am coming quickly! Happy [is] the one keeping the words of the prophecy of this scroll."

Rev 22:12 "Listen! I am coming quickly, and My reward [is] with me, to render [or, repay] to each as his work will be [fig., according to his deeds].

Rev 22:10 And he says to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this scroll, {for} the time is near.

Rev 22:20 The One testifying to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly!" So be it! Yes, be coming, Lord Jesus!

You might want to explain away those also. Those are the letters they sent back and forth to each other 1950 years ago. They were "eagerly" awaiting the return of Jesus (Php 3:20). Why? Because Jesus told the disciples he was coming back for them (Joh 14:3). Thus he surely did. :)

95 posted on 03/25/2009 2:25:30 PM PDT by OPREV
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To: All

Post 54, BTTT.


96 posted on 03/25/2009 2:29:49 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: OPREV
I will decline your offer. I have come to my senses and know the uselessness of arguing truth with those who are blinded, either by choice or ignorance. Arguing is not edifying. Matthew 7:6, 10:14-15.

Proverbs 1:20-33

20 Wisdom calls aloud outside; She raises her voice in the open squares.

21 She cries out in the chief concourses, At the openings of the gates in the city She speaks her words:

22 "How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? For scorners delight in their scorning, And fools hate knowledge.

23 Turn at my rebuke; Surely I will pour out my spirit on you; I will make my words known to you.

24 Because I have called and you refused, I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded,

25 Because you disdained all my counsel, And would have none of my rebuke,

26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes,

27 When your terror comes like a storm, And your destruction comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you.

28 "Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me.

29 Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the LORD,

30 They would have none of my counsel And despised my every rebuke.

31 Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way, And be filled to the full with their own fancies.

32 For the turning away of the simple will slay them, And the complacency of fools will destroy them;

33 But whoever listens to me will dwell safely, And will be secure, without fear of evil."

May the Lord give you ears to hear. Please be aware of a hardened and unteachable spirit. Shalom.

97 posted on 03/25/2009 3:33:50 PM PDT by JesusBmyGod (Baruch HaBa B'Shem Adonai)
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To: OPREV
Are you saying that Satan has been bound for over 2000 years? It seems like a very bloody 2000 years if he has been bound and had no effect on man. The millennial reign of Christ as you have said is passing where has the lion and lamb eaten straw together?
98 posted on 03/25/2009 4:01:49 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: JesusBmyGod

“Genea: From (a presumed derivative of) genos; a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons) — age, generation, nation, time.

Genos: Kin. from Ginomai

Ginomai: to cause to be, be brought to pass, happen”

The idea is that Genea refers to those who lived contemporaneously with one another.

A general word of caution: Strong’s is not meant as a translation tool. To use Strong’s definitions to support a given interpretation is merely to appeal to an authority — Strong. His definitions are based on how he sees them used in the bible, and have precisely nothing to do with their actual usage in Greek or Hebrew, outside of the bible.

Worse, he lumps all related words together. In this case, that causes no particular harm.


99 posted on 03/25/2009 4:09:02 PM PDT by dangus
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To: InvisibleChurch; OPREV; Quix

Yes, it seems to be a spiritual generation. Besides, we were already in historic times during the first century. Surely it would be noted somewhere by someone if all those people disappeared.


100 posted on 03/25/2009 4:15:00 PM PDT by firebrand
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