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Can You Be Deceived? Can the very elect be deceived?
http://www.shortsermons.org/pdf/deceived.pdf ^ | 2007 | John Schmoyer

Posted on 03/29/2009 1:32:24 AM PDT by guitarplayer1953

Can You Be Deceived? By John Schmoyer

 

It was Pilate who made famous the question “What is truth?” So often in our world the

truth is hard to come by, and sometimes what masquerades as truth is nothing more

than a clever deception. Wouldn’t it be nice if we as Christians were somehow exempt

from being deceived?

A number of years ago I read an article written by a man who is the leader of a

church group. In his article he claimed that there is a subset within the greater Church of

God – a sort of superior breed of Christian if you will – that he calls the “very elect”. These

very elect, he wrote, cannot be deceived. CANNOT be deceived! And of course he

believes these “very elect” can only be found in his particular church.

To support his assertions he referred to a verse in Matthew 24. So let’s spend

some time in Matthew 24, and let’s see what Jesus Christ says about the “very elect” and

whether or not they can be deceived. Let’s begin in Matthew 24:23. I’m going to quote

this from the King James Version because it uses the words “very elect”.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it

not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show

great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall

deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.

Verse 24 mentions “the very elect”. In the article I read by this man (who also claims to be

a prophet), he seized upon this phrase and repeatedly used it to prove there is a select

group within the Christian church that is superior to others. But is that really true? Is that

what this verse is really saying?

This phrase “very elect” is found only in the King James Version, and only in this

one verse. The King James Version was produced in the year 1611. This phrase – the

very elect – is an old English phrase that means “even the elect”. All other translations

that I consulted properly render this “even the elect” (I consulted the New King James

version, the Amplified, the New International Version, the New Revised Standard Version,

the New American Standard, and the New Living Translation). The New King James

renders verse 24 as follows:

24For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and

wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Even the elect, not the “very elect”. There is really nothing in this verse that suggests that

Christ is referring to only a subset of the church – a very elect. We, the entire church, are

the elect of God. There are many scriptures in the New Testament that mention the elect;

you might want to refer to a concordance and read about the elect some time. For

example Colossians 3:12 says:

12Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies,

kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering

We, the followers of Jesus Christ, are the elect of God. We are one body, one church

(albeit in many different organizations), united by the Holy Spirit within us. The writer of

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the article I read misused 1611 English to convey an idea that is simply not supported by

the actual text and meaning of Matthew 24:24.

But what about being deceived? Does this verse say anything about it not being

possible for the elect to be deceived? Well, let’s take another look at what Christ said.

“For false Christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and

wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.”

False Christs - those claiming to be the Messiah or those claiming to represent him - and

false prophets - those who claim to have revelation from God - these will arise in the time

just before the return of Jesus. They will “show great signs and wonders”. But Jesus

warns his church beforehand not to be taken in by these fellows – don’t be deceived – they

are FALSE TEACHERS. This is further explained in Revelation 13:13-15. Speaking about

“another beast” who “spoke like a dragon”, it says:

He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven

on the earth in the sight of men. 14And he deceives those who dwell on the

earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast.

Great, awesome, astounding miracles will be performed. Why? To DECEIVE those who

dwell on the earth. And according to Jesus’ statements in Matthew 24, the primary

purpose of these signs and wonders is to deceive the elect, the true Church of God. Why?

Because Satan HATES the people of God. He knows they are going to replace him, and

assist Jesus in administering the righteous government of God on Earth.

Revelation 12:9 tells us that Satan has deceived the WHOLE WORLD; not just part of

the world, not just most of the world, but the whole world. These signs and wonders will

further deceive the world, but the world is already deceived! These lying wonders are in

fact a last ditch effort to deceive, if at all possible, the people of God. If there is any way,

any room for him to plant a seed of doubt, he wants to do it. And these wonders will be

very convincing - designed to deceive even the people of God, not just the rest of the world

that is already deceived.

Let’s return to Matthew 24 and read a few more verses:

3Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately,

saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your

coming, and of the end of the age?”

The disciples asked Jesus questions about when the temple of their day would be

destroyed, and also about the end of the age. These disciples are the ones who became

apostles; men such as Peter, John, and James. How did Jesus answer their question?

Notice the first thing – the first thing – that Jesus said in response to their questions.

4And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives

you. 5For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will

deceive many.

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The very FIRST thing Jesus warns about is being deceived. Take heed that no one

deceives you. Does that sound like they could not be deceived? No, it doesn’t!

We’ll return to Matthew 24 in just a moment, but let’s take a quick look at 2nd

Thessalonians 2:1. Here the apostle Paul wrote:

1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our

gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or

troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the

day of Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day

will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is

revealed, the son of perdition

Paul warned the first century Christians “let no one deceive you by any means”. If the

elect were somehow exempt from being deceived, Paul would not have had to write this.

But he did write it because some of them were in fact being deceived.

So you see, Jesus has given his Church a heads up – a WARNING – about a time of

powerful deception that is coming. It will be far more powerful than anything the world has

ever seen. We need to heed that warning and be prepared. We can take comfort in

knowing that with Christ in us we can do all things (Phil. 4:13). If we do our part by

studying the Bible, praying daily as we should and seeking to draw close to God, then we

will not be deceived by the lying signs and wonders that are coming.

We also need to do what the apostle Paul told the Thessalonians to do, and that is

to prove all things; hold fast that which is good (I Thes. 5:21). PROVE all things. Compare

what people tell you with what the Bible says. And don’t be fooled by the signs and

wonders and the smooth speech. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Let’s conclude by returning to Matthew 24 and reading verses 30 and 31:

30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the

tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the

clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels

with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from

the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

We are the elect. We have been called to be there when Christ returns to end the

deception and to put away the arch deceiver. Let us hold on to and take comfort in the

truth. Let us live the way of truth every day. If we do that, with Christ living in us through

the spirit, we won’t be deceived.

This article may be freely copied and distributed, but only in its entirety. Edited reproduction is strictly

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Copyright © 2007 John Schmoyer. All Rights Reserved.none


TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: electdeceive
I was talking with a person in the body of Christ and we were discussing the very apparent and very disturbing ways that spiritual things are being presented to the masses and the question came up can the elect be deceived too? Their opinion was no and mine was yes. So chime in and give your two cents worth. Yes, No and Why.
1 posted on 03/29/2009 1:32:25 AM PDT by guitarplayer1953
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To: guitarplayer1953

Bump for later!


2 posted on 03/29/2009 1:35:40 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Pride goeth before a fall.


3 posted on 03/29/2009 1:46:41 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

in that verse... the very elect does not mean degrees or levels ( for example .... the soup is i.e cold, more cold, or very cold ) .... it is more of a singling out, a distinction, .... as compared to those who are not the elect or just religious....


4 posted on 03/29/2009 1:53:58 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

As an ordained Minister in the Church of the Future tm.
I am one of the “Exempt”.
That however doesn’t mean I can’t be hoodwinked,especially
by a cute girl with a hood. I do however know the secret
meaning of , “a hand shake and a piece of pie”.

Church of the Future Tm.
Wasteing the present, expanding on the past,
into the future.
Try our sacred wafers, they’re trippy.


5 posted on 03/29/2009 1:59:34 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Sounds to me like we're gonna be vaporized, or living in cloud cities.

6 posted on 03/29/2009 2:06:22 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (R,,, D,,,,, We need T!!!!!!!)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Maybe, depends upon ones beliefs on the 2nd coming.


7 posted on 03/29/2009 2:08:47 AM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

That’s easy. Going to church does not equate to having a personal relationship with Christ. Jesus was hardest on those who were the most “religious”. Going to church is part of being a Christian, but communion with Christ, moment by moment is the foundation. Lordship and obedience, submission to His will.


8 posted on 03/29/2009 2:20:51 AM PDT by momincombatboots (The last experience of the sinner is the horrible enslavement of the freedom he desired. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: guitarplayer1953
If we hold fast to the truth what have we to fear?

1Tm:3:15: But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Jn:17: 17 Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth.

Jn:17:19: And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.

2Tm:4:3: For there shall be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers having itching ears.

9 posted on 03/29/2009 2:28:57 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: guitarplayer1953

If I pinch myself and it still hurts, the second coming hasn’t happened yet.

Simple as that.


10 posted on 03/29/2009 2:42:08 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.......)
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To: guitarplayer1953

1. I believe the verse indicates by inference that God will insure that those who put Him first; love Him foremost will not be deceived. Holy Spirit will insure their being alert to deceptive stuff because the individuals have learned to hear and walk in Holy Spirit’s guidance, Christ’s voice guiding them.

2. It doesn’t make sense for God to have an elect, a BRIDE WITHOUT SPOT OR WRINKLE only for them to be sabotaged, trashed by falling prey to deception at a critical time.

3. Luke-warm pseudo believers and certainly out-right pagans are likely to be deceived. We see evidence of such deception on the Religion forum 24/7.

4. Scripture exhorts all believers to let the one who thinks he stands, take heed lest he fall.

5. God also affirms that life nor death nor principalities nor powers nor things present nor things to come . . . nothing shall be able to remove those who Love God from God’s Love and hand.


11 posted on 03/29/2009 2:55:53 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Agreed.


12 posted on 03/29/2009 2:56:19 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: GonzoII

Worthy points.


13 posted on 03/29/2009 2:57:21 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: guitarplayer1953
Good post.
As is usual, my thinking on this is rambling and needs more study. Somehow, I have read this meaning into Matt 24: 24, i.e. - That Jesus is saying it will not be possible for the believer to be deceived. {in ch 24 context, at the time of the tribulation}

For this to be interpreted this way, I could assume that:
A- The believer can be decieved, but will be given steady guidance at this time. or
B- The elect believer will not be present for this deception {rapture} or
C- True believers are not subject to deception. {from my own self-examination, I suspect that C is a false assumption - or I am not a true believer}

14 posted on 03/29/2009 9:25:40 AM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: reaganaut

ping for later


15 posted on 03/29/2009 12:09:41 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: labette

One question if the elect can not be deceived why the warning of the mark? I believe that as the deceptions increase it will be harder and harder to decern the voice of the Shepherd from the angel of light. The angel will be very convincing preforming many signs and wonders. Is it my hope that we be deceived? Do I sit in glee with this thought? NO! We as a body must be watchmen blowing the horn on the wall it is our jobs to blow the horn we can not make them listen to the horn but still we must blow it.


16 posted on 03/29/2009 6:51:30 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: tet68

Tet offensive 68?


17 posted on 03/29/2009 6:54:22 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Yes. a most exciting time.


18 posted on 03/29/2009 10:22:18 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Is that the reason for so much levity in your posts?


19 posted on 03/29/2009 11:25:19 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

I can’t say for sure, I think I get it from HH the dali Lama, He has a great sense of humor. Certainly there is
already enough sorrow in the world.

T.


20 posted on 03/30/2009 1:59:06 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Unfortunately the Dalia Lama is already deceived.


21 posted on 03/30/2009 3:29:28 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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