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Either Stop Contraception or Destroy the Family
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Family/Family_007.htm ^ | unknown | Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.

Posted on 03/29/2009 3:25:06 PM PDT by stfassisi

God in His mercy allows evil that greater good may come as a result of the evil. He has allowed contraception to plague the modern world so that we may repent and return to our Father’s house.

I have deliberately stated the title of this conference in uncompromising language: “Either we stop contraception or we destroy the family.” This is a warning to all of us, married and single, the laity and the clergy, bishops, priests, deacons, and religious, parents and children.

Why do I say this? Because, in greater or less measure, it has been the infidelity of so many professed Catholics in every state of life, which has contributed to the disappearance of the family in once Christian cultures of the modern world.

My plan, therefore, is to cover several aspects of this historic subject. There will be a series of statements followed by clear explanations and then what I hope will be an uncompromising conclusion.

Since the Incarnation, Christianity is the Foundation of the Family.

Contraception undermines the Foundation of the Family.

To preserve the Family, Christianity must be restored in the modern world.

Since the Incarnation, Christianity is the Foundation of the Family It may seem strange to say that “Since the Incarnation, Christianity is the foundation of the family.”

What makes it sound strange is that the coming of Christ is so widely underestimated. When God became Man, He did more than die on the Cross to redeem a sinful world.

By His Incarnation, the God-man revealed to the whole human race such truths of faith and morality as had never been known before since the beginning of the world.

Among these truths which the Son of God revealed, the central truth was the truth of love.

That God is Love; the eternal Love of the Holy Trinity.

That out of love, God created man out of nothing.

That out of love, God gives us a free will to express our love for Him and thereby reach our heavenly destiny.

That out of love, God put other people into our lives, so that by loving them we might prove our love for Him.

That out of love, God became Man to die for us and gives us the privilege of dying to ourselves out of love for those whom He places into our lives. It was not coincidental but divinely ordained that, when God became Man, He became a member of a family.

It was divinely ordained that, the Incarnate God made monogamy binding on all His married followers; one man with one woman, faithful to each other in marital chastity until death.

It was divinely ordained that, Christ should have instituted the vocation of celibacy or consecrated chastity. Why? To show His married followers the power of divine grace in controlling the desires of the flesh.

It was not coincidental but divinely ordained that His followers would master even their disorderly thoughts and sexually perverse desires.

So far from taking back the Old Testament precept to, “Increase and multiply,” the Savior told His followers to, “Let the children come unto me, for to such belongs the Kingdom of God.” Indeed, we adults need children to inspire us to become as little ones in humility, and thus enter the Kingdom of heaven.

How, then, is Christianity the foundation of the family? It is the foundation of the family in teaching and providing grace for the practice of selfless love. Without love, the family either does not exist; or if it exists, it will be destroyed.

Contraception Undermines the Foundation of the Family Those who practice contraception can be militant in their claim that contraception does not undermine the foundation of the family.

They will give every conceivable reason for practicing artificial birth control:

the pressure of conformity to the practice of married people in today’s society.

the economic pressure of keeping up one’s standard of living with each additional child.

the social pressure of being told by other married people, “What, another child?” as though the pregnancy of a wife was something out of order, or motherhood a liability on society.

the political system of a nation, which discourages larger families and penalizes those who have children. In Russia, during the 70 years of Communist occupation, the average number of abortions each year was 16 million, and houses were built like prison cells, to house no more than two children per couple. Now in Red China, the law forbids a woman having more than one child.

the social structure of a nation, which favors feminism, discourages women from having children so they can be “productive for the people”. Thus in our country, the majority of employed persons in every sector of business and industry. This works havoc with even wanting a family. It encourages late marriages with their high percentage of sterility. At the root of these factors, which undermine the family, is the contraceptive mentality.

In order to bring out in stark contrast, the teaching of Christ on selfless charity and the selfish philosophy of the contraceptive mentality, it will be worth looking at each with absolute frankness and sincerity.

The Teaching of Christ. The words of God became Man could not be plainer:

“This is my commandment, that you love one another, as I have loved you” (John 15:12).

“Greater love than this has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.” (John 15:13).

“These things I command you, that you have love for one another.” (John 15:17). By this, He tells us, shall all men know that we are Christ’s disciples, if we have love for one another.

So literally did the early Christians take Christ’s teaching that this selfless love which they had for one another was the single principal reason for the marvelous conversion of so many pagans to Christianity.

One thing should be added, however, the selfless love of the early Christians was especially manifest in their strong family life.

Do I say strong family life? There was no family life until Christianity began to convert the Roman Empire.

As Christianity took root, not only contraception disappeared among the followers of Christ, but abortion, and divorce, and infanticide.

The verdict of history is absolutely clear. As Christianity, true, honest-to- Christ Christianity takes root among a people, contraception and its allied evils are removed.

Why? Because, as Christ tells us, there can be no compromise between Him and the world. We either accept Him and reject the contraceptive selfishness of the world; or we give in to the seductions of the world and write books defending contraception as just another moral option. For anyone who really believes in Jesus Christ, contraception is a mortal sin.

The Contraceptive Mentality. In contradiction to the teaching of Christ, the contraceptive mentality sees nothing wrong in artificial birth control.

Once Christianity was established in the Mediterranean world, the practice of contraception - along with abortion and infanticide - ceased among believing Christians. This for the best of reasons: because from the first century of Christianity, already by the year 90 A.D., contraception was denounced by the Church as a grave sin against God.

For the next 1,800 years, even among those separated from Rome, contraception was generally forbidden until the present century.

Then two things happened. A chemical means of preventing conception was discovered, and the Protestant Church of England approved contraception for its members.

Given the tremendous influence of Anglican Protestantism on Anglo-Saxons Catholics, before long many Catholics began to practice contraception.

By 1968, the situation became so grave that Pope Paul VI issued in July of that year his historic encyclical Humanae Vitae, condemning contraception.

This was right after the close of the Second Vatican Council. Dissenters from the Church’s teaching erroneously used the council to support the idea of bishops being independent of the Pope.

When Humanae Vitae was published, the bishop’s conferences of most countries throughout the world met to vote on the binding character of Humanae Vitae. About half the bishops supported the Pope, while another half did not. Among the countries whose bishops left contraception open to the consciences of the people were the United States, Canada, France and Germany.

Inevitably the faithful in large parts of the Catholic world were confused.

All of this is part of the history of what we are calling “the contraceptive mentality”.

As might have been expected, at the Cairo meeting of the United Nations, the agents of evil were almost unanimous in their claims that:

the world is becoming overpopulated.

the alleged underdeveloped countries must be kept from growing in numbers by contraception, sterilization, and abortion. The only world representative at Cairo to oppose this contraceptive-homicidal plot was the Vatican.

Christianity Must Be Restored All that we have said so far leads to a sobering conclusion. The propagation of Christ’s teaching in today’s world is imperative as never before.

What am I saying? I am saying that the day is gone when we can think of evangelization as something merely good. Oh no! Evangelization of the world, including our own American world, is a dire necessity.

God is not mocked. When He became Man, He did not leave us the pleasant option of either proclaiming His Gospel or not. He said, in the imperative mood, “Proclaim the Gospel to all nations … Teach them to observe all that I have commanded you.”

With the spread of the contraceptive plague, and its murderous consequences, we see something more evil taking place in our day than ever before. We see whole nations losing their grip on sound morality, and even the rudiments of the natural law.

Whole countries are going morally insane and crazed in their ethical thinking, as seen in the irrational laws they make to bind their people contrary to the most elementary prescriptions of the living God.

In the early Church, Christianity was given a name that is all the more meaningful today.

“Christians,” it was said, “are the soul of the world.” In Latin, “Christiani sunt anima mundi.” So we are. And we had better wake up to our God-given responsibility.

What the human soul is to the body, giving it life and rational power, we Christians are to the world in which we live.

In a deeper sense than we can fathom, because it is a mystery, the world without Christianity is a cadaver.

That is why God became Man, as St. John tells us. He is the Light of the world. He is the Life of the world. He is the Truth, without whom the world is walking in darkness and the shadow of death.

But Christ tells us that we are to bring His light to the world. We are to provide His life for the world.

If we do, and in the measure that we do, we shall restore stability and peaceful unity not only to our families, but to our parishes and dioceses as well.

Where a person stands on contraception is a good test of his (or her) authenticity as a Catholic.

The reason, as we have seen, is that at the root of the evil of contraception is selfishness. But the foundation of Christianity is the love of others out of love for God.

I am almost finished, but not quite. All of us, young and old, bishops, priests, clerics, religious and the laity have one basic obligation in life: to grow in the likeness of Christ by following His example of selfless charity.

But selfless charity is impossible without the Cross. Love and pain go together as condition and consequence. If I really love someone, including the unborn children that I can bring into the world, I am willing to pay the price of my love, which is pain.

That is why, over the years, I have come to define paganism as “Christianity without the Cross.”

We are truly followers of Christ, as genuine disciples of His Gospel, as really in love with Him - as we love the Crosses He puts into our lives, which generally have people’s names!

Prayer Lord Jesus, teach us the hardest lesson in life we have to learn, to love others as you have loved us. This means that we accept suffering for others, even as you chose to suffer for us.

If we live, in this way, dear Jesus, we shall expiate the crimes of abortion and infanticide, whose roots are selfish contraception. We shall obtain for families the graces they need to live together in stable harmony and peaceful love. All of this we ask through your Mother, the Mother of the Holy Family and the spiritual Mother of the human family. Amen.


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But selfless charity is impossible without the Cross. Love and pain go together as condition and consequence. If I really love someone, including the unborn children that I can bring into the world, I am willing to pay the price of my love, which is pain.

That is why, over the years, I have come to define paganism as “Christianity without the Cross.”

1 posted on 03/29/2009 3:25:06 PM PDT by stfassisi
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Those who practice contraception can be militant in their claim that contraception does not undermine the foundation of the family.

They will give every conceivable reason for practicing artificial birth control:

2 posted on 03/29/2009 3:29:11 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

3 posted on 03/29/2009 3:33:07 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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4 posted on 03/29/2009 3:46:09 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: stfassisi

Did you ever think that some women use “birth control” for reasons OTHER than birth control and that birth control is an unwanted side effect? I’m guessing not. There are other medical issues with multiple births as well.

Most people I know practice contraception and are not militant about it at all. It’s a private issue. Some people use contraception b/c the mother’s health is already in jeopardy (e.g. my friend with MS).

Try to be charitable.


5 posted on 03/29/2009 3:54:43 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise

Please explain.


6 posted on 03/29/2009 3:55:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: stfassisi

A major point about contraception should not be neglected: that sex is uniquely for reproduction. And while it is pleasurable, if the emphasis of sex becomes pleasure, and not reproduction, a serious problem is encountered.

Finding a partner, mating, reproducing and raising children takes a great deal of energy. Some people have an abundance of energy, and some people have too little to even find a partner, much less mate. But most people have *enough* energy to go through the process.

Assuming they don’t waste their energy. So what happens if they do waste their energy?

All four processes become harder. The more sexual partners a person has had, the harder it is to find a mate. But this is just the start.

Have you ever seen a couple that try to have a child and fail? Even if all their parts are working properly, they try and try. You’ll note that they look increasingly tired an desperate. Today they will likely visit a fertility clinic.

And it gets harder. Pregnancy isn’t easy in the best of times, and a woman who is weak and tired really suffers. After giving birth, for many months she is just “used up”.

But the child needs energetic parents, not just to survive, but to thrive. The demands of children are exhausting, even to the strong.

Things don’t have to be this way, but our times and our culture call for recreational sex with multiple partners. Contraception makes this easier, but cannot evade the biological fact that sex is for reproduction, and that most people have just enough energy for that, an little or none to waste.


7 posted on 03/29/2009 3:57:11 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: stfassisi

I strongly disagree that love and pain are inseparable. God is Love. He is not pain.

The author misses the possibility of ethical contraception that does not end life - sterilization, barrier methods, and periodic abstinence.

Many millions of us would never consider abortion and have welcomed the Lord’s surprises when they come. However, we use the tools that we have which are ethical in order to space our children or even limit the numbers of children we have.

This is the message that we should give those who don’t want child after child. Love them into it, not “destroy” the bond we could have.

It is possible to divide Christians so many ways. And this is just one of them.


8 posted on 03/29/2009 3:59:52 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: hocndoc
I strongly disagree that love and pain are inseparable

Christ suffered pain out of love for mankind,so perhaps you should rethink this.

True love means that we would be willing to suffer for others.

Would you be willing to suffer to save the life of a child?

I would be willing to suffer pain out of love

9 posted on 03/29/2009 4:38:56 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Paved Paradise
Did you ever think that some women use “birth control” for reasons OTHER than birth control and that birth control is an unwanted side effect? I’m guessing not. There are other medical issues with multiple births as well.

Than call it something other than birth control!

10 posted on 03/29/2009 4:42:08 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: hocndoc

**I strongly disagree that love and pain are inseparable. God is Love. He is not pain.**

Are you saying that Christ’s love was OK, but the pain he suffered on the Cross for our sins is not?


11 posted on 03/29/2009 4:52:22 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
but our times and our culture call for recreational sex with multiple partners. Contraception makes this easier, but cannot evade the biological fact that sex is for reproduction, and that most people have just enough energy for that, an little or none to waste.

Your comments reflect an evil culture

Perhaps people should spend their energy in prayer rather than having meaningless sinful sex with multiple partners to selfishly please themselves.

12 posted on 03/29/2009 4:53:27 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

What’s wrong with having meaningless sinful sex? I’m just asking cause I’m human and would really just like know.


13 posted on 03/29/2009 4:55:31 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Salvation

You make a good point, going through pain is often necessary if you love someone. So they are linked, although they are not equivalent.

It is interesting to note that those who embrace an anti-family agenda (abortion, homo marriage, casual sex, porn, drug abuse, easy divorce, whatever) have the disadvantage of procreating a lot less.

Those who embrace a pro-family agenda procreate more, so I’m thinking they come out ahead in the end.

I don’t happen to think that non-abortive birth control is wrong, however, that’s not the point of my post.


14 posted on 03/29/2009 4:57:03 PM PDT by Marie2 (I don't know what that bird told you, but I'M Brian Fellows)
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To: stfassisi

Given the name of the author, are we sure this isn’t a joke?


15 posted on 03/29/2009 5:00:57 PM PDT by mdwakeup
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To: mdwakeup

That’s his real name, and get your mind out of the gutter.


16 posted on 03/29/2009 5:05:40 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: marajade
t’s wrong with having meaningless sinful sex?

It's sinful.

Meaningless sex is hatered of God's creation

17 posted on 03/29/2009 5:07:38 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: mdwakeup

Why would you say something like that?

Are you priest bashing?


18 posted on 03/29/2009 5:08:54 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Marie2

there is pain with any phase of life. Some of the secular world just tries to escape it via these other routes. Christ tells us that as we suffer here on earth, we will be rewarded in eternal life.

And oppositely, if we are rewarded here on earth, we will suffer immesasureably with a lifetime of suffering in hell.

I’ll suffer now, thanks. Heaven sounds much better to me than hell.


19 posted on 03/29/2009 5:11:59 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: stfassisi
Here's a good reflection on suffering from Laetare Sunday.

Joy-Filled Suffering, Laetare Sunday

20 posted on 03/29/2009 5:14:27 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: stfassisi
Press in a Dither Again over Pope’s Reaffirmation of Catholic Teaching
How Birth Control Changed America for the Worst
If You Are Contracepting, You Are Part of A Very Big Problem

Vatican and Italian government criticize sale of RU 486 in Italy
New Condom Ads Target Catholics, Latinos
St. Padre Pio, Humanae Vitae, and Mandatory Abortion
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part Two [Open]
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part One [Open]

Humanae Vitae and True Sexual Freedom — Part 6 of 6 [Open]
Contraception v. Natural Family Planning — Part 5 of 6 [Open]
Sex Speaks: True and False Prophets — Part 4 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and the Language of the Body — Part 3 of 6 [Open]
Does Contraception Foster Love? — Part 2 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and Cultural Chaos — Part 1 of 6 [Open]


Priests still suffering from effects of Humanae Vitae dissenters, Vatican cardinal says (Must read!)
"Provoking reflection" (Contrasting views on Humanae Vitae)
Humanae Vitae The Year of the Peirasmòs - 1968
Catholics to Pope: Lift the Birth Control Ban

[OPEN] The Vindication of Humanae Vitae
Catholic Clergy Challenge Colleagues to Reacquaint Themselves and Their People with Humanae Vitae
White House proposes wide "conscience clause" on abortion, contraception
THE EX CATHEDRA STATUS OF THE ENCYCLICAL "HUMANAE VITAE" [Catholic Caucus]
“A degrading poison that withers life”
Australia Study: 70 Percent of Women Seeking Abortions Used Contraception

[Fr. Thomas Euteneuer] In Persona Christi: The Priest and Contraception

A Challenging Truth, Part Two: The Day the Birth Control Died
A Challenging Truth, Part One: How Birth Control Works
Ten Challenges for the Pro-Life Movement in 2008
The concept of the "intrinsically evil"
Pope Tells Pharmacists Not to Dispense Drugs With 'Immoral Purposes'

Massive Study Finds the Pill Significantly Increases Cancer Risk if Used more than Eight Years
Birth Control Pill Creates Blood Clot Causing Death of Irish Woman
Seminarians Bring Church’s Teaching on Contraception, Sexuality to YouTube
Abortion and Contraception: Old Lies
History of Catholic teaching on Contraception

Pope: Legislation "Supporting Contraception and Abortion is Threatening the Future of Peoples"
Contraception: Why It's Wrong
On Fox News Fearless HLI Priest Takes on Sean Hannity (may be indebted for saving his soul)
VIDEO - SEAN HANNITY vs REV. THOMAS EUTENEUER (must see!)
The Early Church Fathers on Contraception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

Pope on divine love vs. erotic love
Conjugal Love and Procreation: God's Design
Being fruitful [Evangelicals and contraception]

21 posted on 03/29/2009 5:15:26 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: stfassisi

Contraception does not cause meaningless sex. PEOPLE cause meaningless sex.


22 posted on 03/29/2009 5:16:56 PM PDT by Julia H. (Remember when dissent was patriotic?)
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To: All
The Catholic alternative:

NFP — It Ain’t Your Momma’s Rhythm
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part Two [Open]
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part One [Open]

Contraception v. Natural Family Planning — Part 5 of 6 [Open]
Journey to the Truth (Natural Family Planning) [Open]
Enslaving Women One Pill at a Time (Birth Control Pills and Natural Family Planning)
New Study Shows Natural Family Planning Technique More “Effective” Than Contraception
Fargo) Diocese set to require pre-marriage course in natural family planning

Making Babies: A Very Different Look at Natural Family Planning
Clerical Contraception (Important Read! By Fr. Thomas J. Euteneuer)
(Fargo) Diocese set to require pre-marriage course in natural family planning
Natural Family Planning Awareness Week, July 25, 2004
IS NATURAL FAMILY PLANNING A 'HERESY'? (Trads, please take note)

Thanks Doc: More (and Younger) Doctors Support Natural Family Planning
Couple say Natural Family Planning strengthens marriage
Reflections: Natural family planning vs sexism
British Medical Journal: Natural Family Planning= Effective Birth Control Supported by Catholic Chrch
Natural Family Planning

23 posted on 03/29/2009 5:17:29 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Julia H.

Did what does contraception cause?

No conception..............that’s painful to a couple who wants to have childre.


24 posted on 03/29/2009 5:19:45 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: stfassisi

sfa, probably the greatest mistake the Vatican made since WWII, and maybe since Vatican I, was Humanae Vitae. The Laos tou Theou have resoundingly rejected it, yet it continues to be taught as dogma. In the pre Schism Church, that rejection would have meant the end of any pretense that Humanae Vitae taught true dogma. The wisdom of that ecclesiology and praxis is demonstrated by the almost complete loss of credibility the Magisterium has suffered since the 1960s. The people simply don’t buy it, sfa and sadly, that has lead to a disregard of almost all the teachings of the Western Church.

You should know that in Orthodoxy, matters of family planning by non abortifacient contraception are left to the couple in prayerful consultation with their spiritual father. In this manner the decision to use or not use contraception is informed by The Faith. I’ll bet there isn’t one Orthodox Christian in a million who disagrees with that, preferring rather the Latin prohibition.

Humanae Vitae was ill considered. It was a bad choice and the ramifications of that bad choice are, sadly, plain to see.


25 posted on 03/29/2009 5:22:40 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Julia H.
Contraception does not cause meaningless sex. PEOPLE cause meaningless sex

Contraception is like leaving your car parked in front of a car thief's house with the keys in the ignition and not expecting your car to be stolen.

The motto is- that we don't tempt sin by making something easy for the sinner

26 posted on 03/29/2009 5:23:31 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Kolokotronis

Our Lord also said, “By their fruits, you shall know them.” The fruits of contraception and the contraceptive mentality are quite clear.


27 posted on 03/29/2009 5:26:03 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: stfassisi
On the sixth day of creation God made created man and woman and told them

Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea(Genesis 1:28)

After God stopped the rains and the water finally receded. God told Noah to leave the ark and then told him,

Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you: birds and cattle and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, so that they may abound on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth." (Genesis 8:17)

There is no where in the scriptures, not in the OT or the NT where God ever rescinded that command. Christians should all be having as many children as they can physically have. As far as financially being able to afford them, well have faith in God.

Unbelieving Christians have been aborting their children by the millions the last 30 years. They have also been using of birth control methods to limit the number of children they have. Christians should have by now outnumbered them by 2-1 in the population. Unfortunately Christians have been no better then the secular world. They may not be aborting their children, but they do use birth control. Could you imagine how things would be differently politically if only Christians practiced more faith in God?.

When the apostles asked Jesus to increase their faith, He told them,

Luk 17:6 So the Lord said, "If you have faith as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, 'Be pulled up by the roots and be planted in the sea,' and it would obey you.(Luke 17:6)

Amreican Christians have not been practicing very strong faith and it shows in their children. Who have not been born.
28 posted on 03/29/2009 5:28:04 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Kolokotronis
You should know that in Orthodoxy, matters of family planning by non abortifacient contraception are left to the couple .

I disagree with the Orthodox on this because contraception is man's decision not to TRUST God through prayer alone.

In order for contraception to exist it must be offered to the secular world to allow mankind to promote promiscuous sex outside of marriage.

29 posted on 03/29/2009 5:31:13 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: OneVike
...and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth

and the Octomom saith "Getting right on it, Boss"

30 posted on 03/29/2009 5:31:43 PM PDT by PatHimself
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To: PatHimself

Well, Octomom and her enablers perverted the natural process, and that is quite clear.


31 posted on 03/29/2009 5:32:19 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

“The fruits of contraception and the contraceptive mentality are quite clear.”

P, contraception has been around since before the Crucifixion. Are those fruits today different from what they were in the past? I suggest that they are not and what you believe to be the fruits of contraception are in fact the fruits of the self destruction of the credibility of the Magisterium by disregarding the evidence that the HS is saying no to Humanae Vitae. If I think Humanae Vitae is no dogma, then I might conclude that the priests preaching that it is are liars, at a minimum misinformed people who, given their celibacy, don’t understand. If they haven’t got it right on contraception, maybe they are wrong on abortion too, and the Real Presence, etc, etc until in the end people simply become Unitarian/Universalists who go to Mass a couple of times a year.


32 posted on 03/29/2009 5:33:28 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: stfassisi

No, my comments *refute*, not reflect, an evil culture. My argument was that casual sex with multiple partners harms the process of marriage, having and raising children.

That much of the culture does not appreciate this fact is the problem. They will passionately defend casual sex with multiple partners, because they do not grasp that it will likely harm them and their eventual offspring.

In religious cultures that appreciate this fact, both parents and their children are stronger and healthier, because they do not waste their personal resources. Instead of having casual sex with multiple partners, they can have and raise more children in a monogamous relationship.


33 posted on 03/29/2009 5:35:24 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: stfassisi

Yeah, that’s our problem. Not enough welfare mommas having babies.


34 posted on 03/29/2009 5:36:35 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Salvation
Here's a good reflection on suffering from Laetare Sunday. Joy-Filled Suffering, Laetare Sunday<

Thank you for this ,Dear Friend!

From the article you gave me... When God allows one of His friends to suffer, He alone knows the value of it and the joy that can result. Conformity to Christ is the reward of those who humbly and joyfully accept His Cross

35 posted on 03/29/2009 5:36:36 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Kolokotronis

Effective contraception has only been around for the past 50 years or so.


36 posted on 03/29/2009 5:37:02 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: stfassisi

Support your post with a biblical reference. Thanks.


37 posted on 03/29/2009 5:37:32 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: AppyPappy

You’re not seeing the forest from the trees. The main reason why they’re welfare moms in the first place is the government destroying the families by their “aid.”


38 posted on 03/29/2009 5:38:11 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
No, my comments *refute*, not reflect, an evil culture. My argument was that casual sex with multiple partners harms the process of marriage, having and raising children.

Thanks for the clarification,dear friend.

Sorry about the misunderstanding

39 posted on 03/29/2009 5:39:27 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi
"...contraception is man's decision not to TRUST God through prayer alone."

Where does this idea come from? Orthodox Christians are advised to pray and take counsel with their spiritual father. Is it the consultation with the sf that bothers you? I know that the Western Church's concept of God has, especially since the Reformation, diverged from that of the pre-Schism Church, but insisting that Ο ΩΝ wants to decide that Dick and Jane will make a baby on Tuesday night but not Thursday unless His ineffable purposes are frustrated by a condom seems just a bit over the top, sfa.

"In order for contraception to exist it must be offered to the secular world to allow mankind to promote promiscuous sex outside of marriage."

So? Don't Latin Church priests preach against promiscuity? Of course they do. Where they fall down is in giving communion to people who are publicly living in sin but breeding freely.

40 posted on 03/29/2009 5:46:09 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Pyro7480

“Effective contraception has only been around for the past 50 years or so”

That’s nonsense, P. Condoms have been around for centuries. Its conceivable that female condoms have been around even longer.


41 posted on 03/29/2009 5:49:26 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Dear Kolo,

It seems to me you're not looking at the big picture on what contraception leads to.

It would be better if contraception was not or was ever available,like it or not.

42 posted on 03/29/2009 5:54:13 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Kolokotronis
sfa, probably the greatest mistake the Vatican made since WWII, and maybe since Vatican I, was Humanae Vitae. The Laos tou Theou have resoundingly rejected it, yet it continues to be taught as dogma

It was reaffirming doctrine taught by EVERY Christian denomination since the beginning, K.

EVERY single one. The first departure from this continuous witness was the Anglican Lambeth conference of 1930. At that time, other Protestant bodies condemned it, and even Mahatma Gandhi, a Hindu, condemned it. Pope Pius XI condemned in the harshest possible terms.

Martin Luther condemned contraception roundly.

St. Paul, in several places, condemns something he calls pharmakeia. (The usual English translation is "sorcery".) Look it up: pharmakeia in his day involved the mixing of potions. One of the most frequent applications of those potions was contraception. (Abortion was another one.)

You should know that in Orthodoxy, matters of family planning by non abortifacient contraception are left to the couple in prayerful consultation with their spiritual father

Innovation, pure and simple.

Humanae Vitae was ill considered. It was a bad choice and the ramifications of that bad choice are, sadly, plain to see.

Humanae Vitae did not cause a 50% divorce rate, rampant promiscuity, and 1.5 million deaths due to abortion every year just in this country.

I have never disagreed with anything you've said as much as I disagree with this post, K. You are not defending the faith of the Fathers, nor the faith of the ancient church. You are defending a modern innovation and a derogation from the true Christian doctrine concerning sex.

43 posted on 03/29/2009 5:55:16 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: marajade
From the Catechism -which is based on the Bible and Christian History....

2391 Some today claim a “right to a trial marriage” where there is an intention of getting married later. However firm the purpose of those who engage in premature sexual relations may be, “the fact is that such liaisons can scarcely ensure mutual sincerity and fidelity in a relationship between a man and a woman, nor, especially, can they protect it from inconstancy of desires or whim.”183 Carnal union is morally legitimate only when a definitive community of life between a man and woman has been established. Human love does not tolerate “trial marriages.” It demands a total and definitive gift of persons to one another.184

IN BRIEF

2392 “Love is the fundamental and innate vocation of every human being” (FC 11).

2393 By creating the human being man and woman, God gives personal dignity equally to the one and the other. Each of them, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity.

2394 Christ is the model of chastity. Every baptized person is called to lead a chaste life, each according to his particular state of life.

2395 Chastity means the integration of sexuality within the person. It includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery.

2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

2397 The covenant which spouses have freely entered into entails faithful love. It imposes on them the obligation to keep their marriage indissoluble.

2398 Fecundity is a good, a gift and an end of marriage. By giving life, spouses participate in God's fatherhood.

2399 The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).

2400 Adultery, divorce, polygamy, and free union are grave offenses against the dignity of marriage.

44 posted on 03/29/2009 5:55:51 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

I want a biblical scripture. Thanks.


45 posted on 03/29/2009 5:56:57 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Kolokotronis

No, I mean chemical contraception.


46 posted on 03/29/2009 5:59:20 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: marajade
“Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.” (1 Corinthians 6:18-20)
47 posted on 03/29/2009 6:03:13 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Kolokotronis
"Since, therefore, openly departing from the uninterrupted Christian tradition some recently have judged it possible solemnly to declare another doctrine regarding this question, the Catholic Church, to whom God has entrusted the defense of the integrity and purity of morals, standing erect in the midst of the moral ruin which surrounds her, in order that she may preserve the chastity of the nuptial union from being defiled by this foul stain, raises her voice in token of her divine ambassadorship and through Our mouth proclaims anew: any use whatsoever of matrimony exercised in such a way that the act is deliberately frustrated in its natural power to generate life is an offense against the law of God and of nature, and those who indulge in such are branded with the guilt of a grave sin." -- Casti Connubii, Pope Pius XI, December 31, 1930

Church Fathers on contraception. Pay particular attention to the words of our father among the saints, John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople.

48 posted on 03/29/2009 6:04:13 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: stfassisi

Your argument was that sex was for the purpose of procreation only, not mine.

Again, please provide a Biblical scripture. Thanks.


49 posted on 03/29/2009 6:06:22 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Pyro7480

“No, I mean chemical contraception.”

That I agree with.


50 posted on 03/29/2009 6:09:02 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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