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The New Anti-Semitism: anti-Mormon
gPolitics ^ | March 27, 2009 | George McNaughton

Posted on 03/30/2009 2:01:29 PM PDT by delacoert

It was suggested that being anti-Mormon is the new politically correct anti-semitism given what happened to Romney in Dixie.  There are some problems with that concept especially down in Dixie.  The first that comes to mind is when did anyone ever accuse Dixie of being poltically correct.  But on a more serious note,  any Mormon who had lived awhile in either the South or the Midwest could not have been very surprised that Romney took a shellacing in the Midwest and the South.

The fact that religious prejudice reared it's ugly head and took a bite out of the only faithful neo-conservative in the Republican ranks serves notice on wealth oriented Republicans that there is a price to be paid in mining the legions of intolerance.  That price is they have to recognize that the Solid Republican South created by Reagan was built upon the conversion of the formerly Solid Democratic South resulting from the passage under Lyndon Johnson of the Civil Rights Act.

It is a tiger of intolerance whether racist or bigotry which the Forbesian/Limbaugh/Newt Gingrich crowd can't dismount even when they want to.  The Evangelical minister from Iowa that candidly admitted that his colleagues were going to have a tough time telling their congregations to vote for a candidate who had a religious affiliation with what they had been preaching against for decades even if he was standing up for their political objectives.

It's that weird thing about wedding yourself to a brand of religious freedom which is translated as meaning freedom to believe as the Evangelicals believe that gets in the way.

But now, after the election and in the wake of Proposition 8, a Mormon neo-conservative like Romney has an even bigger problem.  Now he not only would have to overcome the ill-deserved bigotry of the South, but he would also be subjected to the fury of some moderates who feel that the gays got unfairly treated in part because of Mormon influence with regards to that vote in California.  While it is true that "log cabin" Republicans are not a particularly large portion of the Republican party -- those who sympathize with the gays do include a fair number of the moderates.  So now the difficulty for a Mormon Republican becomes nearly insurmountable since such a candidate is likely to get attacked by both sides of his party.

In addition, the occasional Mormon politician in the Northeast who might aspire to office is going to find him or herself in a true political N'oreaster whether he or she really cares about same sex marriage or not.  If you are Mormon you were already likely to be assumed to be Republican (it's amazing that nobody seems to ever remember Harry Reid's religious persuasion), but now you will be assumed to be a homophobe as well.  Of course, it has been said by others that being anti-gay is the last palatable discrimination -- so maybe we deserve it.


TOPICS: Other Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: lds; lsd; mormon; mormonism; myheartbleeds; poorromney; romney
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But now, after the election and in the wake of Proposition 8, a Mormon neo-conservative like Romney has an even bigger problem. Now he not only would have to overcome the ill-deserved bigotry of the South, but he would also be subjected to the fury of some moderates who feel that the gays got unfairly treated in part because of Mormon influence with regards to that vote in California.
1 posted on 03/30/2009 2:01:29 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: delacoert
Yeah, with Romney, it was all about bigotry. Never mind his support of gay 'rights' and abortion 'rights' in the past. Never mind Romneycare. Never mind his failure to support gun rights. Never mind the clear impression that he will say anything to win over a given electorate and then change when he is selling himself to a new electorate. Never mind the lack of military background in the family, which matters quite a bit in the South.

It was all just bigotry, I tell you!

2 posted on 03/30/2009 2:05:52 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: delacoert

Awe, Poor Romney. New antisemitism by rear.


3 posted on 03/30/2009 2:06:14 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: delacoert
Hah - you mean the same CA where a majority of voters supported the initative?

This article is totally gay. But it is right - Southerners got on board with that criminal Huckabee rather than Mitt.

...anti-Romney pajama patrol warriors air-dropping this thread in 3...2...1....

4 posted on 03/30/2009 2:07:01 PM PDT by mbraynard (You are the Republican Party. See you at the precinct meeting.)
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To: delacoert

Romney is so...last year, and part of the reason we suffering through zer0bama.

Bring on Palin/Jindal 2012!


5 posted on 03/30/2009 2:08:05 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: delacoert
Oh goodness... que the violins.

The Mormons get persecuted like the Jews were?

Ill-deserved "bigotry" against Romney from "the South"?

Mitt Romney is a flaming liberal opportunist and richly deserves Conservative rejection.

The only bigotry here is the one in the article against Southerners and Christians.

And comparing skepticism of the Romnatic and the persecution of Jews is repulsive.

6 posted on 03/30/2009 2:08:10 PM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to becomes slaves of Washington.")
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To: mbraynard
...anti-Romney pajama patrol warriors air-dropping this thread in 3...2...1....

I came with a hovercraft.

7 posted on 03/30/2009 2:09:18 PM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to becomes slaves of Washington.")
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To: delacoert
Well heck.

If they weren't such heretics folks would like them more.

8 posted on 03/30/2009 2:10:03 PM PDT by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: delacoert

Speaking on behalf of Dixie, we would be highly offended if anyone were to call us politically correct.


9 posted on 03/30/2009 2:10:03 PM PDT by DannyTN (Impeach and Deport)
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To: DannyTN

Them’s feudin words!


10 posted on 03/30/2009 2:11:10 PM PDT by DannyTN (Impeach and Deport)
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To: dirtboy

How can Romney claim bigotry, when we elected a Kenyan born Muslim instead?


11 posted on 03/30/2009 2:14:34 PM PDT by DannyTN (Impeach and Deport)
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To: Domandred

Palin-Bachmann 2012.

We are suffering Obama because McCain. Huckabee also sucked and sadly Fred was too slow to get started. Mitt would have been better than McCain.


12 posted on 03/30/2009 2:16:19 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: DannyTN

Speaking on behalf of Dixie, we would be highly offended if anyone were to call us politically correct....”

You damn right! ATTENTION: All liberals who think of moving to the South.

You screwed up your home states, so stay there and enjoy the rotten fruits of your labors. Don’t even think about moving here.

We don’t give a damn how y’all did things where you come from.


13 posted on 03/30/2009 2:18:01 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: delacoert
Keep you eye on the prize, people!

All of this side line stuff is out there to keep our minds off the real story. Quit being haters and start being participators. WE'RE GETTING OUR AND OUR CHILDREN'S WEALTH STOLEN!!!!

14 posted on 03/30/2009 2:19:46 PM PDT by wolfcreek (There is no 2 party system only arrogant Pols and their handlers)
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To: delacoert
"....neo-conservative like Romney...

Very funny!

Consider the sources. Probably paid by Mitt.

Mormons: A Visionary People by George McNaughton

....and an other 109 posts on.....Mormonism!

15 posted on 03/30/2009 2:21:52 PM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Frantzie

I’d like Palin-DeMint. I think a Conservative male Senator from the South is a perfect match for a Conservative woman Governor from the North.


16 posted on 03/30/2009 2:22:09 PM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to becomes slaves of Washington.")
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To: Frantzie

Frankly, a dug-up Nixon would have been better than McCain.


17 posted on 03/30/2009 2:22:11 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: mbraynard
"But it is right - Southerners got on board with that criminal Huckabee rather than Mitt.

I know virtually nothing about the Mormon faith, and I don't really care to. But, I agree that there does seem to be some anti-Mormon bigotry coming from a number of different places.

That show "Big Love" is really prejudiced. And, it seems that Mormon jokes are still politically correct. As a Catholic, I take offense to much of the anti-Catholic ranting that goes on in the MSM, so I guess I don't appreciate when others are bashed as well.

18 posted on 03/30/2009 2:25:43 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Frantzie
I decided Fred was right when he told off that smarmy school marm in Iowa. But he was too late by then. Romney would've been far better than McCain because he would have at least punched back. All other factors being equal, I look at a Mormon candidate as an advantage because the rank and file of that group are more conservative than any other sect. Of course there are exceptions like Harry Reid, who pay more attention to the DNC bosses than the tenants of their religion.
19 posted on 03/30/2009 2:26:35 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Frantzie
"We are suffering Obama because McCain. Huckabee also sucked and sadly Fred was too slow to get started. Mitt would have been better than McCain."

Nah, we are suffering Obama because Bushbots could not bring themselves to tell Bush the voters thought the country was going in the wrong direction. Maybe by 2010 the GOP will find something more persuading than 'Vote for us, the other guy is worse.' A Contract with America did the job before.

20 posted on 03/30/2009 2:28:36 PM PDT by ex-snook ( "Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ex-snook
Nah, we are suffering Obama because Bushbots could not bring themselves to tell Bush the voters thought the country was going in the wrong direction.

I have great respect for President Bush and believe he was a fine President in many ways. But I still took the time to call or e-mail when I disagreed with him.

Maybe I'm not the type of person you'd classify as a "Bush-bot", but I've been called that many times because I've defended him against the Bush haters we have here on FR. They act as though Bush didn't do a single thing right. What hogwash.

21 posted on 03/30/2009 2:36:20 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: delacoert
But on a more serious note, any Mormon who had lived awhile in either the South or the Midwest could not have been very surprised that Romney took a shellacing in the Midwest and the South.

Methinks McNaughton applies his shellacking with too broad a brush.

The South and the Midwest are very large areas, and Romney was actually born in the Midwest. His father was Governor of Michigan in the 1960s.

Mitt won the primary there and came in second in Iowa. So I doubt they really hate Mormons there.

McNaughton's probably more on target about Los Angeles and San Francisco wanting to take Prop. 8 out on the Mormons.

22 posted on 03/30/2009 2:36:34 PM PDT by x
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To: Vigilanteman

Taliban are conservative too.


23 posted on 03/30/2009 2:36:49 PM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: x

And how would LA or San Fran be anymore hostile to a Bishop, or high member of any other main stream religion, or an observant Jew like Lieberman?

Well they wouldn’t be anymore hostile.


24 posted on 03/30/2009 2:40:17 PM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Leisler

Conservatism to Islamofacists and Americans mean completely different things. Taliban would have voted overwhelmingly for Oba Mao in our last election whereas Mormons voted overwhelmingly for Sarah Palin.


25 posted on 03/30/2009 2:40:37 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: delacoert

I did not support Romney because he is not a conservative. I do take a lot of crap off of supposedly intelligent Freepers because I am a member of the LDS Church.


26 posted on 03/30/2009 2:41:03 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Blessed be the Peacemaker.)
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To: SolidWood

A bathtub with a fan attached does not a hovercraft make.


27 posted on 03/30/2009 2:46:07 PM PDT by mbraynard (You are the Republican Party. See you at the precinct meeting.)
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To: x

yea, that would be a problem if CA was in play for the general or if those gay fascists voted in R primaries.


28 posted on 03/30/2009 2:48:01 PM PDT by mbraynard (You are the Republican Party. See you at the precinct meeting.)
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To: mbraynard

Terrible your syntax a sentence not make.


29 posted on 03/30/2009 2:50:34 PM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to becomes slaves of Washington.")
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To: Vigilanteman

The Supreme Court has Mohammad, the Law Giver on it’s facade. Mohammad was seen as an agent of progress against pagan Arabs.

Further there is a lot of Nordic socialism in Mormon thought and cultural recruitment and ideas from up state New York, across the Mid West.

Frankly, Mormon thought, conservatism, radicalism of its core religious thinking is a mess.

I wouldn’t be so sure nor strong about Mormons and conservative thinking if you meant limited government and free enterprise. The very ideas of Nauvoo, and later Utah, are very oppressive with the idea of total Mormon control, through government( amongst other institutions ). Not to mention the close knit, clannish, economics, for better or worse.

One of the things that I think made RomneyCare so attractive to Mitt was his coming from an, to me, smothering, even blood libal in older times, patriartical, elders know best, Nordic, and close set Mormon ideas of the relationship of the individual, the state and the religion. Something the Taliban, Communists, even nice Swedish leftists feel. The foundations are the same, very very close tabs and various group pressures on the individual.


30 posted on 03/30/2009 3:01:05 PM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: mbraynard
A bathtub with a fan attached does not a hovercraft make.

Drat. So you're sayin' my patten application might not go through?

31 posted on 03/30/2009 3:11:58 PM PDT by delacoert (the most anti of antis)
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To: delacoert
patten patent
32 posted on 03/30/2009 3:14:46 PM PDT by delacoert (the most anti of antis)
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To: SolidWood

A Jedi master, it does.


33 posted on 03/30/2009 3:23:48 PM PDT by mbraynard (You are the Republican Party. See you at the precinct meeting.)
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To: Leisler
Cute anecodatal observations smothered by the facts of actual voting in counties dominated by Mormons such as Utah County, Utah or Madison County, Idaho, both homes to large church universities and young people that Oba Mao won over 2-1 in the rest of the county and couldn't even crack 20% here. Find me any sect which Oba Mao performed so poorly among, particularly amoung their young.
34 posted on 03/30/2009 7:34:41 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: MEGoody
I've defended him against the Bush haters we have here on FR. They act as though Bush didn't do a single thing right. What hogwash.

Thank You!

35 posted on 03/30/2009 8:11:43 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: delacoert

Well, you got me...I refused to vote for Romney because he is a Morman...But it didn’t matter...He is a Rino Globalist as well...So he didn’t stand a chance with me...


36 posted on 03/30/2009 8:27:50 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Diogenesis; fieldmarshaldj; Allegra; rabscuttle385

“It was suggested that being anti-Mormon is the new politically correct anti-semitism given what happened to Romney in Dixie”

Or maybe they just don’t like Taxachusetts liberals.


37 posted on 03/30/2009 9:49:16 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

Actually blacks have a strong dislike for Mormons. They don’t like the fact that the Mormon church did not allow blacks to be Elders until 1978. Also blacks resent Mormons being as GOP as they are Dem.

I used to work in the South Side of Chicago during the 1990’s. When the Chicago Bulls were playing the Utah Jazz for the NBA championship, my black co-workers were saying nasty things about Mormons.


38 posted on 03/30/2009 10:06:05 PM PDT by DanZanRyu
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To: DanZanRyu
Actually blacks have a strong dislike for Mormons. They don’t like the fact that the Mormon church did not allow blacks to be Elders until 1978. Also blacks resent Mormons being as GOP as they are Dem.

The black problem can't be helped by the fact that for so many years Mitt Romney spread the lie that he and his father had marched with Martin Luther King.

To find out that the story involving the martyred black hero was entirely made up in Mitt's head must have seemed a little vampire like to blacks. Throw that in with the institutional racism of the Mormon organization and it is ugly business.

39 posted on 03/30/2009 10:38:02 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...

Ping


40 posted on 03/31/2009 12:36:56 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Recession-Your neighbor loses his job, Depression-you lost your job, Recovery-Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: delacoert
LDS posts by George McNaughton
41 posted on 03/31/2009 12:40:09 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Recession-Your neighbor loses his job, Depression-you lost your job, Recovery-Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Did Sarah Palin run for President? I must have missed it!


42 posted on 03/31/2009 12:43:01 PM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: SolidWood
Oh goodness... que the violins. The Mormons get persecuted like the Jews were?

That's odd. I don't see any of them being forced to wear a symbol like a yellow star to identify them, or being relocated into inner city ghettos as the next step before the concentration camps.

43 posted on 03/31/2009 12:45:42 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DannyTN
How can Romney claim bigotry, when we elected a Kenyan born Muslim instead?

Because we didn't elect HIM.

44 posted on 03/31/2009 12:47:27 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: delacoert
this is a stupid article written by a child like intellect.

Not sure what the point is except to broadly goad guilt out someone for believing in a concept that is rooted in humanity and religion, not an ideology.

If this writer has a problem with Mormons he should say so and not try to pretend he owns an intellect greater than a shallow bowl.

45 posted on 03/31/2009 1:01:35 PM PDT by Vendome
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To: delacoert

This article is so poorly written that it should be accompanied by a couple of aspirin for the unfortunate reader who misguidedly attempts to continue reading after encountering the first paragraph.


46 posted on 03/31/2009 1:02:00 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Oh, see there, and I thought it was just me.

The writer is a lame and inchoherent tard.


47 posted on 03/31/2009 1:09:11 PM PDT by Vendome
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To: delacoert
It was suggested that being anti-Mormon is the new politically correct anti-semitism given what happened to Romney in Dixie.

Nah...

It was ANTI-RINOism at work. if it was the OTHER thing; it would be spelled:

anti-MormonISM.

48 posted on 03/31/2009 1:21:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: delacoert
(it's amazing that nobody seems to ever remember Harry Reid's religious persuasion)

Religion or politics?

49 posted on 03/31/2009 1:22:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

LDS pols analyzing the problem and participating in open discussion will help the Republican party. Scratch Romney off the list of POTUS candidates.

Gingrich, Palin, Steele... who else?

50 posted on 03/31/2009 1:23:38 PM PDT by delacoert (the most anti of antis)
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