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The End Of Christian America [American Destruction-The Liberals Did This!]
April 05, 2009

Posted on 04/05/2009 3:13:11 PM PDT by Steelfish

The End of Christian America

The percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 points in the past two decades. How that statistic explains who we are now—and what, as a nation, we are about to become.

By Jon Meacham | NEWSWEEK

Published Apr 4, 2009

It was a small detail, a point of comparison buried in the fifth paragraph on the 17th page of a 24-page summary of the 2009 American Religious Identification Survey. But as R. Albert Mohler Jr.—president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, one of the largest on earth—read over the document after its release in March, he was struck by a single sentence.

For a believer like Mohler—a starched, unflinchingly conservative Christian, steeped in the theology of his particular province of the faith, devoted to producing ministers who will preach the inerrancy of the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the only means to eternal life—the central news of the survey was troubling enough: the number of Americans who claim no religious affiliation has nearly doubled since 1990, rising from 8 to 15 percent


TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Other Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: almohler; christendom; christians; mohler; secularization; trends

1 posted on 04/05/2009 3:13:12 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
Maybe if the Churches would get out of politics and get back to preaching this will be reversed. Too much reliance on Caesar to pass laws.
2 posted on 04/05/2009 3:22:12 PM PDT by ex-snook ( "Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ex-snook

agreed


3 posted on 04/05/2009 3:29:23 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: Steelfish

If people do not fear God, then the culture will disintegrate.


4 posted on 04/05/2009 3:30:18 PM PDT by rbosque (10 year Freeper!)
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To: rbosque

The culture *has* disintegrated. All of this happened in America a long time ago. Cultural momentum created the illusion that America was still predominantly Christian. I think we are about 15% of the population, to be realistic, and 30%, to be very optimistic.

FWIW, these figures seem to reflect regional changes in the Northeast most of all. The so-called Bible belt is not, IMO, becoming noticeably less Christian.


5 posted on 04/05/2009 3:33:39 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: ex-snook
Too much reliance on Caesar to pass laws.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I've been saying for a long time that so-called "conservatives" have been emulating the liberals 'cuz they turn to the federal government to prohibit things they don't like (drugs, porn, queer marriage, abortion, etc.) rather than prating & working for a more Christ-like society.

Just like the liberals, they have been working from the top down rather than from the bottom up, & doing so has come back to bite them in the hind end.

Just like the liberals, they have worked @ giving the federal government additional powers that are not written out in the Constitution rather than letting the States decide these issues like the 9th & 10th Amendment requires....& look where we are today: a national debt of nearly $11 TRILLION & growing, w/ no end in sight.

6 posted on 04/05/2009 3:36:50 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: ex-snook

The problem is that the liberal churches are the only ones who get to preach politics. These are the ones Hillary and Barack and every other democrat who never go to church, go to when they are campaigning. Totally fine for the libs to do this.

Everyone gets a stick up their butt when it’s a conservative church trying to do that.

It is an injustice that churches are not able to talk openly and honestly as they see it (except for the libs again) about politicians in their city, state or nation. We all know that freedom existed from before the founding of this country to 1954 with LBJ adding that law as a Texas senator to get certain non-profit groups off his back. He didn’t ever see it being used against churches but nobody ever changed it. that should be dumped and churches need to weigh in on political issues because there are always issues of morality behind political decisions, and that’s why half the time it seems Christians get duped: “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.”


7 posted on 04/05/2009 3:37:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Steelfish

There are as many nuts preaching it up as down.


8 posted on 04/05/2009 3:38:50 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: ex-snook
Maybe if the Churches would get out of politics and get back to preaching this will be reversed.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Churches need to get their kids out of the atheistic and secular humanist govrernment schools.

If Christian churches are to preach, there **most** important mission field is, first and foremost, their **own** children!

9 posted on 04/05/2009 3:40:10 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

What a great way to say it! Just imagine: church members in every church across the USA starting their own school, w/ the “best & brightest” of the parents teaching the classes. That would mean more responsibility on the parent’s part, & so many other positive things that would benefit both the families & the kids in the long run, I think.

Stupid idea on my part, I know...but it sure sounds good.


10 posted on 04/05/2009 3:49:24 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: ex-snook

James. James is the ultimate internal smackdown book for a church, IMO.


11 posted on 04/05/2009 3:52:52 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Steelfish

This is NOT the “liberals’ fault.” There isn’t anyone in the world who could pry me away from the Church. If I leave God, it’s MY fault and He knows it.


12 posted on 04/05/2009 4:27:55 PM PDT by Mr. Know It All
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To: ChrisInAR

Christians have to do both politics and proselytizing. Or else we will get rolled over.

We cannot step aside and let the liberals write the laws. They will destroy traditional marriage. They will take away our free speech rights (like laws against quoting the Bible on gays). They will force doctors and pharmacists to aid and abet abortions, force gay and straight men to squish together in barracks, cram gay sex ed down the throats of our children in public schools, force semi-religious groups like the Boy Scouts to accept gays, force businesses to hire gays, and force EHarmony.com dating service to accept homosexuals (wait,they already did that in New Jersey!)

One CANNOT separate politics from religion, even if we want to. The anti-politics journalist Cal Thomas is a heroic Christian warrior. But he is totally deaf and blind on this issue.


13 posted on 04/05/2009 4:48:26 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: Steelfish
Maybe if the Churches would get out of politics and get back to preaching this will be reversed.

Or maybe the church needs to get get back into politics. Maybe one of the reasons that people leave that church—that it is so unattractive to our young people—is that it appears so powerless.

And when the threat comes from the government, and it will come, that they are going to take away our tax exempt status we just might see the largest tax revolt since the founding of the country.

Or maybe we're to far gone for this already.

14 posted on 04/05/2009 4:51:13 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It is an injustice that churches are not able to talk openly and honestly as they see it (except for the libs again) about politicians in their city, state or nation. We all know that freedom existed from before the founding of this country to 1954 with LBJ adding that law as a Texas senator to get certain non-profit groups off his back. He didn’t ever see it being used against churches but nobody ever changed it. that should be dumped and churches need to weigh in on political issues because there are always issues of morality behind political decisions, and that’s why half the time it seems Christians get duped: “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.”

Indeed, that LBJ law needs to be dropped immediately.


15 posted on 04/05/2009 4:54:16 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: heye2monn
What I am saying is that Christians should oppose any & all efforts @ the federal level to have the government involved in these issues. This is why our State & local governments are so important: THEY are the ones who really speak w/ the voice of the people, & they should be doing the legislating....not the feds! The feds have no Constitutional role here, because its powers are limited. Please read what James Madison wrote in Paper #45 of The Federalist Papers, which you can read HERE
16 posted on 04/05/2009 4:57:38 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: ChrisInAR

Well, secularism (read anti-Christian) has become a religion too and this is what is being forced down kids at public schools and colleges who then go onto graduate and enter the influential professions of law, medicine, politics, and the media.


17 posted on 04/05/2009 5:08:35 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: ex-snook

“Maybe if the Churches would get out of politics and get back to preaching this will be reversed. Too much reliance on Caesar to pass laws.”

My people have worshiped our Triune God in the same manner for better than 1600 years. It doesn’t get much more conservative than that...and we stay out of politics, rendering unto Caesar only that which is Caesar’s. The world will change when people experience that metanoia which only faith in Christ can bring about through the Holy Spirit. Involving The Church in the political affairs, left or right, of the world cheapens its spirituality and distorts its Christian message.


18 posted on 04/05/2009 5:09:51 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Steelfish

The percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 points in the past two decades

Self Identified Christians?
You mean like Obama and Pelosi? These people are not Christians just because they say they are. Real Christians are likely 50% or less of Americans at present.


19 posted on 04/05/2009 5:22:34 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: ChrisInAR

I agree with your perspective — the federal government has become a monster — a politically correct monster stomping on our religious rights. We must fight that monster, armed with states’ rights and Madisonian arguments as necessary.

Unfortunately, too many Christians say that we should avoid politics altogether. Don’t speak up. Don’t organize. Be meek and mild. Don’t be like those obnoxious rednecks and rightwing ayatollahs like Falwell and Dobson.

But how in tarnation do we stop the liberal-media juggernaut without organization, strategy, and tactics?

I say it again, if we don’t fight, we get rolled over.


20 posted on 04/05/2009 5:49:19 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: Steelfish

It’s a strange self righteous yet defensive tone this liberal article takes. Liberals know somewhere they are wrong but they keep persecuting others and themselves nevertheless into their nonsense.

Note also the false charity tone of it all. They talk of CHristian domination but they hardly talk of other faiths as something they’d embrace, but as weird cults and poverties which seem to frighten them. To lop Christianity within these poorer religions is typical materialist lusty behavior for modern niceties: as if genetics persecuted them and blackmailed them to material submissions that allowed them to ignore their worst persecutions to neighbors and unborn.

Last but not least, faith for life is not an illusion, for illusion is a false life and a death by definition. They confuse faith and superstition because they seek superstitious means devoid of understanding of things like courage.


21 posted on 04/05/2009 5:54:33 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: heye2monn

Liberals are nonconfrontational with their persecutors and preach “peace” suicide in their emotional and mental selfish cowardice. Thus they seek and hope to entreaty the fascists of the world who steal from us to provide them some crumbs.

This is Obama’s hope, that the Taleban reward him, for example, like a good butt boy loved. They depend on that murder suicide scheme.


22 posted on 04/05/2009 6:00:37 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: heye2monn

A Christian is not doing politics when he sees a freeloading corrupt bureaucrate for what he is: someone who believes in “free money” and “free taxation” to anyone equaly so, regardless of contribution to society.

These scum quasiUnion feds who selectively enforce the law or benefit others are to be targeted. They encompass a bunch of pseudolawyers/cops who select the laws to apply. We have all the laws and means to avoid the current juggernaut of government in the form of a foreign manshurian fraudulent president, but guess what, they refuse to apply them, and they are brainwashing the youth to their sides.


23 posted on 04/05/2009 6:11:47 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: Steelfish
I don't care if the percentage of American calling themselves Christian has decline 10% or a 100%. Doesn't matter to me. The only thing that matters to me, is when He, Jesus the Christ comes back.

Then, we will see the "true pucker factor," of the masses of nonbelievers.

5.56mm

24 posted on 04/05/2009 6:19:15 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Steelfish

It’s always been easy to say, “Yes, I am a Christian”...but the more unpopular it gets to really be one, the harder it will be to find one. When the weather gets bad, the fair-weather “Christians” will disappear to their places of safety.


25 posted on 04/05/2009 6:19:28 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: JudgemAll

Well of course they forget the contributions of Christianity to western civilization from hospitals, the colleges and universities, labor laws, and philosophical thought on issues of “just war” and the link between God and man and his environment.

More generally see:
http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Church-Built-Western-Civilization/dp/0895260387


27 posted on 04/05/2009 6:21:16 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

A lot of this destruction has occurred within the churches. Liberals have taken over one denomination after another. People have left the church they grew up in and have not found a new home. The Episcopal Church alone has lost half its membership while the population overall has soared. One denomination could account for several of those lost percentages. The Methodists and Presbyterians are hemorraghing because the people at the top are liberal committed to destroying the faith. The collapse of mainline Protestantism, in a word,is behind this decline. These churches stopped proclaiming the Gospel and stopped demanding anything of their members. So members left.


28 posted on 04/05/2009 6:25:18 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Steelfish

Article at:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583

Single page:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583/output/print


29 posted on 04/07/2009 9:17:27 PM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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