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Who am I IN CHRIST? [Verses to pray in trying & other times)
World Harvest Center church handout (modified by Quix) | 6 APR 2009 | God; paraphrase unknown + Quix

Posted on 04/06/2009 3:18:43 AM PDT by Quix

WHO AM I?

I am the salt of the earth. Mat5:13

I am the light of the world in & through Christ Jesus. Mat:14

I am a child of God. John 1:12

I am a part of the True Vine and Christ’s life flows through me John 15:1,5

I am Christ’s friend. John 15:15

I have been chosen by Jesus to bear much fruit. John 15:16

I am Jesus’ personal witness sent out to tell everybody about Him. Acts 1:8

I am a slave to God, making me holy and giving me eternal life. Rom 6:18

I am a child of God. I can call Him my Father, Daddy. Rom 8:14, 15

I am an heir with Christ, inheriting His glory. Rom 8:17

I am a dwelling place for God. His Spirit and Life live in me. I Cor 3:16

I am forever joined in God and am one spirit with Him. I Cor 6:17

I am a new person in Christ Jesus. My past is forgiven and everything is new. 2 Cor 5:17

I am at peace with God and he has given me the work of helping others find peace with Him. 2 Cor 5:18, 19

I am a child of God and one with others who are members of His Family. Gal 3:26, 27

I am a child of God and will receive the inheritance which he promised. Gal 4:6, 7

I am a saint, a holy person. Col 1:2

I am a citizen of Heaven; seated in Heaven right now with Jesus. Eph 2:6

I am God’s building project, His handiwork, created in Christ to do His work. Eph 2:10

I am a prisoner of Christ so that I can help others. Eph 3:1, 4:1

I am righteous and holy Eph 4:24

I am hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:3

I am the expression of the life of Christ because He is my life Col 3:4

I am chosen of God to be holy and dearly loved. Col 3:12

I am a child of The Light and not of the darkness. 1 Thes 5:5

I am chosen to share in God’s Heavenly calling. Heb 3:1

I am part of Christ; I share in His Life. Heb 3:14

I am one of God’s Living Stones, being built-up in Christ as a house for God. 1 Pet 2:5

I am a member of the chosen people, a royal priesthood, a people belonging to God. 1 Pet 2:9, 10

I am only a visitor to this world in which I temporarily live 1 Pet 2:11

I am an enemy of the devil. 1 Pet 5:8

I am a child of God, and I will be Christ’s when He returns. 1 John 3:1, 2

I am born again in Christ and the devil will never defeat me. 1 John 5:18

I am not the great “I AM” (Ex 3:14) but by the Grace of God, I am what I am. 1 Cor 15:10

SINCE I AM IN CHRIST, by the GRACE OF GOD:

I am now acceptable to God and completely forgiven. I live at peace with Him Rom 5:1

The sinful person I used to be died with Christ, and sin no longer rules my life. Rom 6:1-6

I am free from the punishment my sin deserves. Rom 8:1

I have been placed into Christ by God. 1 Cor 1:30

I have received God’s Spirit into my life. I can recognize the blessings He has given me. 1 Cor 2:12

I have been given the mind of Christ. He gives me wisdom to make the right choices. 1 Cor 2:16

I have been bought with a Price, I am not my own; I belong to God. 1 Cor 6:19, 20

I no longer live for myself; I live for God. 2 Cor 5:14, 15

I am God’s possession, chosen and secure in Him. I have been given the Holy Spirit as a promise of my inheritance. Eph 1:13, 14

I have been blessed with every spiritual blessing. Eph 1:3

I was chosen in Christ to be holy before the world was created. I am without blame before Him. Eph 1:4

I was chosen by God to be adopted as His child. Eph 1:5

I have been brought out of slavery to sin and forgiven. I have received His generous grace. Eph 1:7, 8

I have been made spiritually alive just as Christ is alive. Eph 2:5

I have been raised up and seated with Christ in Heaven. Eph 2:6

I have direct access to God through The Holy Spirit. Eph 2:18

I may approach God with confidence, boldness, and freedom. Eph 3:12

I have been rescued from the dark power of satan’s rule and have been brought into the Kingdom of Christ. Col 1:13

I have been forgiven all my sins and set free. The debt against me has been cancelled. Col 1:14

Christ Himself lives in me. Col 1:27

I am firmly rooted in Christ and am now being built-up in Him. Col 2:7

I am complete in Christ. Col 2:10

I am spiritually clean. My old sinful self has lost its power to rule my life. Col 2:11

I have been buried, raised and made alive with Christ Col 2:12, 13

I died with Christ and I have been raised up with Christ. My new life is hidden with Christ in God. Christ is now my life. Col 3:1-4

I have been given a spirit of power, love and self-control. 2 Tim 1:7

Because I am set apart and one with Christ. He is not ashamed to call me His brother or sister. Heb 2:11

I have been given great and valuable promises. God’s nature has become a part of me. 2 Pet 1:4



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Scripture is virtually always fitting to pray and certainly wise to pray.

These trying times have many Christians dragging emotionally if not wholesale depressed and fearful.

SCRIPTURE IS A WONDERFUL WAY TO ADJUST OUR CONSTRUCTIONS ON REALITY TOWARD GOD'S CONSTRUCTIONS ON REALITY--HIS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT MATTER. HIS REALITY IS THE ONLY REAL, LASTING, DECISIVE REALITY.

GOD ALONE IS WORTHY.

GOD ALONE IS OUR PROVISION, HIGH TOWER, COMFORT, PEACE, JOY, . . . WE OVERCOME BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB AND THE WORD OF OUR TESTIMONY.

The Scripture as prayer and conscious confession as fact is a great testimony to our own spirit, our own mind, our own emotions, to the world and certainly to the enemy . . . as well as to God and our angels who LOVE TO PERFORM GOD'S WORD IN OUR LIVES AS WE AFFIRM IT.

BLESSED BE THE NAME AND WORD OF THE LORD.

1 posted on 04/06/2009 3:18:44 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
Agree 100%! This without a doubt works. However, you have to really believe. A few days here and there is not going to to work.

For those of you that are interested or a bit intimidated by the Bible. I suggest to pick up the book Knowing the Bible 101 by Bruce Bickel and Stan Jantz. This is an excellent book for beginners. It's will assist you in understanding the Bible.

2 posted on 04/06/2009 3:26:12 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Quix

Excellent

Thank you so much


3 posted on 04/06/2009 3:26:48 AM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: Alamo-Girl; airborne; AngieGal; AnimalLover; annieokie; aragorn; auggy; backhoe; backslacker; ...

END TIMES, DREAMS, VISIONS, PROPHECY PING LIST PING.

Please let Joya; TaraP; Liberty Rocks and I know if you want on any of the following END TIMES LIST AND AT WHAT PING FREQUENCY LEVEL:

A) ORIGINAL LEAST PINGED LIST
B) ABBREVIATED—MODERATE FREQUENCY
C) QUITE FREQUENT BUDDY LIST
D) VERY FREQUENT—virtually ALL the DOCS I FIND INTERESTING.

BLESSED BE THE NAME AND WORD OF THE LORD.

NOTICE, system did not accept:

guitarplayer;

Has he/she been banned or did I spell it wrong when I corrected a Word bug?


4 posted on 04/06/2009 3:28:02 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: JaneNC

YOU ARE QUITE WELCOME.

Thanks for your kind words.


5 posted on 04/06/2009 3:28:32 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Sprite518

TRUE TRUE.

THANKS! And for the good book recommend as well.


6 posted on 04/06/2009 3:29:38 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

guitarplayer1953 is his FReeper name.


7 posted on 04/06/2009 3:42:49 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Quix; Joya

Excellent.

Later.


8 posted on 04/06/2009 3:43:24 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: guitarplayer1953; Joya

ping.

My word file glitched somehow and put hyperlink stuff in for several screen-names.

When I tried fixing it, yours left off the 1953 so th system would not accept it. Sorry. The ping list has been fixed better, now, thanks to Joya;

Blessings.


9 posted on 04/06/2009 3:44:25 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

SMALL STRAWS IN A SOFT WIND by Marsha Burns — April 6, 2009:
I heard in the realm of the spirit a sound that reminded me of a clock, and I saw a pendulum moving back and forth marking time. And I felt a sense of urgency with the thought that time is marching on and time is short. In a vision I saw a perfect white horse, excited, pawing the air, ready to go. Then, I saw warriors worshiping the night before battle. Then, they arose and were being dressed in pure white battle attire and girded with swords. The warriors came together, resolute, one army of the Lord. I saw them silent, listening, watching, waiting — awesome, righteous, strong, focused, prepared for battle. Then, the vision changed and I saw a pure-bred black Arabian horse, and again saw warriors the night before a battle, but these were celebrating, drunk, being entertained by belly dancers, and I believed that these warriors represented the powers of darkness, Satan’s army.

And, I was reminded of this scripture: 1 Kings 20:11 So the king of Israel answered and said, “Tell him, ‘Let not the one who puts on his armor boast like the one who takes it off.’” Satan is destined for defeat!


10 posted on 04/06/2009 3:56:57 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Quix

bookmark


11 posted on 04/06/2009 3:57:58 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Quix
um...technically speaking...He is in us.
I say this for the new believer's clarification, that their understanding of such a matter is clarified and not as a mere kill-joy to the verses cited (great post BTW Quix) above.

the three stations of the Holy Spirit...

“para”..beside, alongside, or, sometimes translated as “with”...this is the position of God's Spirit to all men, wooing men to Him, and enabling men to seek and find Him. Seen in John 14:16...”And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;”

“en”...in, inside...this is the position of God's Spirit upon salvation, justification, as the Holy Spirit resides in us. Seen in John 14:17...”[Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”

“epi”...upon...where God's Spirit comes upon a justified believer, in power, enabling men to work God's work in the power of His Spirit. Seen in Acts 2:3...”And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.”

but “in Christ”...as a preposition, not so much.

We are the body of Christ in that we are united in His suffering and redemption, but we are not "his body". We are the bride of Christ.

We are believers in Christ, as in we “believe in”, “trust in”, “hope in”, yes, but not “in” as “inside”. Much as I believe in the sun...I see it, can feel it's warmth and such, but I am not inside the sun.

12 posted on 04/06/2009 6:30:26 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: woollyone; Alamo-Girl; airborne; AngieGal; annieokie; aragorn; auggy; backhoe; bearsgirl90; ...
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

FROM:

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=%22in%20Christ%22%20%22in%20me%22&version1=9&searchtype=all&spanbegin=1&spanend=73

Please consider:

verse">John 14:20/strong>
At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

John 17:21
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Acts 24:24
And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.
Acts 24:23-25 (in Context) Acts 24 (Whole Chapter)


13 posted on 04/06/2009 7:11:14 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Always Right; Joya

THANKS THANKS.


14 posted on 04/06/2009 7:12:03 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


15 posted on 04/06/2009 7:13:52 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

And you for your kind reply.

LUBB


16 posted on 04/06/2009 7:17:06 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
and none of those are intended to be meant as prepositions, but intended as unity in Spirit.

Put another way...
Are you “inside” God?
Or is God “inside” you?

The Sovereign of the Universe inhabits men, but men do not inhabit the Sovereign of the universe.

17 posted on 04/06/2009 7:37:33 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: woollyone

I believe that some of those

DO

indicate

HE IS IN US AND WE ARE IN HIM.

NIV:

John 14:20 (New International Version)

20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

THE MESSAGE:

John 14:20 (The Message)

18-20”I will not leave you orphaned. I’m coming back. In just a little while the world will no longer see me, but you’re going to see me because I am alive and you’re about to come alive. At that moment you will know absolutely that I’m in my Father, and you’re in me, and I’m in you.

John 14:20 (Amplified Bible)

20At that time [when that day comes] you will know [for yourselves] that I am in My Father, and you [are] in Me, and I [am] in you.

YOUNG’S LITERAL TRANSLATION

John 14:20 (Young’s Literal Translation)

20in that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you;


I’ll choose to accept the wording just as it reads, to me. Christ said it. I believe it. It’s that simple, to me.

Sounds like a mystical truth that is exceedingly true because Christ said it whether I can wrap my carnal understanding around it to your or anyone else’s satisfaction or not.


18 posted on 04/06/2009 7:43:00 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Thank you, dear Quix.


19 posted on 04/06/2009 10:57:58 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Quix

Many believe “of” Christ. Those that have the relationship with him believe “in” Christ. The branch abides “in” the vine. Only then will the sap of grace flow.


20 posted on 04/06/2009 10:58:44 AM PDT by marbren
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To: Quix

Good, except I have to say he’s not our “daddy”. He’s our Father, a term of submission and respect toward a loving but powerful parent. Abba is not a term of causal familiarity in Rom. 8. It was incorrectly interpretated as “daddy” by one writer during the “religious freak” days of the late 60’s/early 70’s. It caught on and is now part of popular Christian culture. But it’s irreverant toward El Shaddai.


21 posted on 04/06/2009 11:09:02 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: Marysecretary

THX.


22 posted on 04/06/2009 11:38:24 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: marbren

Those that have the relationship with him believe “in” Christ. The branch abides “in” the vine. Only then will the sap of grace flow.


MUCH AGREE.

WELL PUT.

THANKS.


23 posted on 04/06/2009 11:39:27 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Ann Archy is having a baaad day. And they call US hateful. Good grief.


24 posted on 04/06/2009 11:41:09 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: mikeus_maximus

I believe that ABBA is accurately translated as DADDY.

THE MESSAGE HAS IT:

Romans 8:15 (The Message)

15-17This resurrection life you received from God is not a timid, grave-tending life. It’s adventurously expectant, greeting God with a childlike “What’s next, Papa?” God’s Spirit touches our spirits and confirms who we really are. We know who he is, and we know who we are: Father and children. And we know we are going to get what’s coming to us—an unbelievable inheritance! We go through exactly what Christ goes through. If we go through the hard times with him, then we’re certainly going to go through the good times with him!


Young’s literal translation has it:

Romans 8:15 (Young’s Literal Translation)

15for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, `Abba — Father.’

Today’s New International with footnotes:

Romans 8:15 (Today’s New International Version)
15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. [a] And by him we cry, “Abba, [b] Father.”

Footnotes:
Romans 8:15 The Greek word for adoption to sonship is a term referring to the full legal standing of an adopted male heir in Roman culture.
Romans 8:15 Aramaic for Father


Romans 8:15 (Wycliffe New Testament)
15 For ye have not taken again the spirit of servage in dread, but ye have taken the Spirit of adoption of sons, in which we cry, Abba, Father.


Romans 8:15 (Contemporary English Version)
15God’s Spirit doesn’t make us slaves who are afraid of him. Instead, we become his children and call him our Father. [a]

Footnotes:
Romans 8:15 our Father: The Greek text uses the Aramaic word “ Abba” (meaning “ father” ), which shows the close relation between the children and their father.


Galatians 4:6

View commentary related to this passage

6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son (A) into our [a] hearts, crying, “ Abba (B) , Father!” (C)

Footnotes:
Galatians 4:6 Other mss read your
Cross references:
Galatians 4:6 : Ac 16:7; Rm 5:5;, 20; 8:9;, 16; 2Co 3:17;
Galatians 4:6 : Mk 14:36; Rm 8:15;
Galatians 4:6 : Mt 5:16; 6:1; 11:27; Jn 8:42;


Romans 8:15 (New Living Translation)

15 So you have not received a spirit that makes you fearful slaves. Instead, you received God’s Spirit when he adopted you as his own children.[a] Now we call him, “Abba, Father.”[b]

Footnotes:
Romans 8:15 Greek you received a spirit of sonship.
Romans 8:15 Abba is an Aramaic term for “father.”


Romans 8:15 (New American Standard Bible)

15For you (A)have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you (B)have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “(C)Abba! Father!”

Cross references:
Romans 8:15 : 2 Tim 1:7; Heb 2:15
Romans 8:15 : Rom 8:23; Gal 4:5


Even ‘merely’ from THE CONTEXT we can see that

the word picture

is of a son CRYING OUT TO DADDY, PAPA, FATHER.

‘casual familiarity’ ???

Another Scripture speaks of us BOLDLY GOING BEFORE THE THRONE via Christ’s Name and Blood.

NOT as servants or slaves but as SONS, FRIENDS of God, even.

DADDY in this context is not flippant . . . not cheeky . . .

ALMIGHTY FATHER GOD SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON

TO DIE

THAT WE MIGHT HAVE RESTORED ***INTIMATE*** RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FATHER.

ALMIGHTY GOD DID THAT.

ALMIGHTY GOD PLACED IN ***HIS*** WORD

the word picture of INTIMACY WITH DADDY, PAPA, FATHER.

It is not the image of

‘Gimme the car keys Daddy-O’

It IS the image of

‘Daddy, I need some lap time.’

I’m convinced that this much is the whole counsel of the whole of Scripture. It is consistent with a handful of Scriptures throughout the New Testament.

Scripture says that the Awed Fear of The Lord is the

BEGINNING

of Wisdom.

I believe the more mature wisdom is to have CHILD-LIKE FAITH, CONFIDENCE AND INIMACY WITH DADDY, PAPA, FATHER ALMIGHTY GOD.


25 posted on 04/06/2009 12:07:48 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Marysecretary

Ann Archy is having a baaad day. And they call US hateful. Good grief.


Not sure what you’re referring to.

Thx.


26 posted on 04/06/2009 12:09:13 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Then you should read and consider some more: Is It Irreverent to Refer to God as "Daddy"? By Louis Rushmore Brother Rushmore, We recently had a visitor who led singing and while commenting on a song about prayer he said we should be thankful to be able to call God daddy. Many in the congregation were very offended by this. I know the elders and the preacher spoke to him about it and the preacher in a very kind way mentioned how we should address God as Father and not by our own terminology. Another member sought to defend the use of daddy by referring to Abba as meaning da da. I looked the word abba up in several lexicons and commentaries and to the last one they all basically said the word in the N.T. means Father. Can you shed some light on this seemingly increasing practice of referring to God as daddy, it seems very irreverent to me yet I certainly want to support my position biblically. Thank you, Roy Williams There are three passages in which the words "Abba Father" appear (Mark 14:36; Romans 8:15; Galatians 4:6). Strong's defines "Abba" as Aramaic for "father." Easton's Bible Dictionary says of "Abba": This Syriac or Chaldee word is found three times in the New Testament (Mark 14:36; Rom. 8:15; Gal. 4:6), and in each case is followed by its Greek equivalent, which is translated "father." It is a term expressing warm affection and filial confidence. It has no perfect equivalent in our language. It has passed into European languages as an ecclesiastical term, "abbot." The New Bible Dictionary adds, "It appears that the double phrase was common in the Greek-speaking church, where its use may well have been liturgical." "Daddy," then, would not be a suitable substitute for "Father" or "Abba" when referring to God. Some resources (we believe incorrectly) do define "Abba" as "Daddy." Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary says of Abba: "an Aramaic word which corresponds to our 'Daddy' or 'Papa.'" Some articles on the Internet make the same claim (Hannah; Williams), including an article written by a member of the churches of Christ (Stewart). However, not even all Internet articles resort to "Daddy" for "Abba," and for good reason. "...far from being a colloquialism, is in fact an emphatic form of the word 'father' in Aramean. 'Emphatic' means that abba is the equivalent of O father! in English. The term denotes respect and was widely used by Jews in their prayers" ("Does Abba Mean"). JewishEncyclopedia.com says regarding "Abba": "It was the formula for addressing God most familiar to Jewish saints of the New Testament times" (Kohler). Thayer's Lexicon also says of "Abba, Father," "father, ho pateer, a customary title of God in prayer." Anciently it was the practice of some to meditate for an hour in preparation for uttering a prayer to God, out of reverence for God (Kohler). It seems that God himself demands respect and reverence that goes beyond a flippant "Daddy"! Does God say less in Malachi 1:6? "A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?" Vine's definition of "Abba" and comparison to "Father" verifies the reverence with which it was used in the first century when the New Testament was penned. The term "Abba" conveys extreme reverence and could never be equivalent merely to the child's term, "Daddy, when referring to God." abba is an Aramaic word, found in Mark 14:36; Rom 8:15 and Gal 4:6. In the Gemara (a Rabbinical commentary on the Mishna, the traditional teaching of the Jews) it is stated that slaves were forbidden to address the head of the family by this title. It approximates to a personal name, in contrast to "Father," with which it is always joined in the NT. This is probably due to the fact that, abba having practically become a proper name, Greek-speaking Jews added the Greek word pater, "father," from the language they used. Abba is the word framed by the lips of infants, and betokens unreasoning trust; "father" expresses an intelligent apprehension of the relationship. The two together express the love and intelligent confidence of the child. The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia and Fausset's Bible Dictionary concur with Vine's definition of "Abba." Further, Fausset's defines the combined Aramaic and Greek appearances of "father," literally "the father, the father," as an emphatic invocation or prayer to God. The McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia states that the double reference to father in Aramaic and Greek, in part, is for "emphasis and dignity," plus after retaining the Aramaic word for "father" providing Greek readers "father" in Greek in the event they did not understand the Aramaic reference to father. Hence, whatever weight and meaning the Greek for "Father," referring to God, has, the Aramaic word for "Father" has a closely similar meaning. So, unless someone purports to call God "Daddy, Daddy" in the three passages, it is not appropriate to define "Abba" as "Daddy." If someone boldly resounds "Daddy, Daddy" for the dual appearances of the Aramaic and Greek words for "father" in these passages, referring to God, I still object on the grounds of inadequate reverence toward Deity. Like the quotation below indicates, to refer to Almighty God as "Daddy" borders on blasphemy. ABBA A Palestinian Aramaic word that is found in three places in the NT to refer to God. It means "father." It is the address of a child as distinct from a slave and denotes family intimacy. In Mark 14:36 Christ uses abba to address God in His prayer in Gethsemane. In Rom. 8:15 and Gal. 4:6 Christians use the same form of address to God. It is used in such a way that it both emphasizes our nearness to God and inculcates respect. Each time it is used it appears with the word pater, giving us the title Abba Father for God. Christians must never confuse intimacy with God their Father with familiarity and triteness. There is no basis in the NT use of abba to support the almost blasphemous references some make to God as "Dad" or "Daddy." It is surely significant that the Aramaic abba is not translated into Greek as papa but is merely transliterated. (Cairns) Works Cited Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. CD-ROM. Seattle: Biblesoft, 1994. Cairns, Alan. "Abba." 23 Dec 2004. Dictionary of Theological Terms. . "Does Abba Mean "Daddy"? Online posting. 4 Jun 2004. Theologyweb. 23 Dec 2004. . Easton, M. G. Easton's Bible Dictionary. CD-ROM. Oak Harbor: Logos, 1996. Fausset's Bible Dictionary. CD-ROM. Seattle: Biblesoft, 1998. Hannah, Shively. "Abba, Father." Hannah's Garden. 23 Dec 2004. . International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia. CD-ROM. Seattle: Biblesoft, 1996. Kohler, Kaufmann. "Abba." JewishEncylopedia.com. 23 Dec 2004. . McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia. CD-ROM. Seattle: Biblesoft, 2000. Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary. CD-ROM. Nashville: Nelson, 1986. The New Bible Dictionary. CD-ROM. Wheaton: Tyndale, 1962. Stewart, William J. "Abba, Father." Www.LookingIntoJesus.Net. 23 Dec 2004. . Thayer's Greek Lexicon. CD-ROM. Seattle: Biblesoft, 2000. Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words. CD-ROM. Nashville: Nelson, 1985. Williams, George R. "Abba, Father." Fathers.com." 23 Dec 2004. .
27 posted on 04/06/2009 1:07:52 PM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: mikeus_maximus

I’d be much more likely to read your text if you format it in short paragraphs.


28 posted on 04/06/2009 1:09:16 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Then you should read and seriously consider some more about Whom you are addressing, and how He expects to be revered:

Is It Irreverent to Refer to God as "Daddy"? By Louis Rushmore

There are three passages in which the words "Abba Father" appear (Mark 14:36; Romans 8:15; Galatians 4:6). Strong's defines "Abba" as Aramaic for "father." Easton's Bible Dictionary says of "Abba":

This Syriac or Chaldee word is found three times in the New Testament (Mark 14:36; Rom. 8:15; Gal. 4:6), and in each case is followed by its Greek equivalent, which is translated "father." It is a term expressing warm affection and filial confidence. It has no perfect equivalent in our language. It has passed into European languages as an ecclesiastical term, "abbot."

The New Bible Dictionary adds, "It appears that the double phrase was common in the Greek-speaking church, where its use may well have been liturgical." "Daddy," then, would not be a suitable substitute for "Father" or "Abba" when referring to God.

Some resources (we believe incorrectly) do define "Abba" as "Daddy." Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary says of Abba: "an Aramaic word which corresponds to our 'Daddy' or 'Papa.'" Some articles on the Internet make the same claim (Hannah; Williams), including an article written by a member of the churches of Christ (Stewart).

However, not even all Internet articles resort to "Daddy" for "Abba," and for good reason. "...far from being a colloquialism, is in fact an emphatic form of the word 'father' in Aramean. 'Emphatic' means that abba is the equivalent of O father! in English. The term denotes respect and was widely used by Jews in their prayers" ("Does Abba Mean"). JewishEncyclopedia.com says regarding "Abba": "It was the formula for addressing God most familiar to Jewish saints of the New Testament times" (Kohler). Thayer's Lexicon also says of "Abba, Father," "father, ho pateer, a customary title of God in prayer."

Anciently it was the practice of some to meditate for an hour in preparation for uttering a prayer to God, out of reverence for God (Kohler). It seems that God himself demands respect and reverence that goes beyond a flippant "Daddy"! Does God say less in Malachi 1:6? "A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?"

Vine's definition of "Abba" and comparison to "Father" verifies the reverence with which it was used in the first century when the New Testament was penned. The term "Abba" conveys extreme reverence and could never be equivalent merely to the child's term, "Daddy, when referring to God."

abba is an Aramaic word, found in Mark 14:36; Rom 8:15 and Gal 4:6. In the Gemara (a Rabbinical commentary on the Mishna, the traditional teaching of the Jews) it is stated that slaves were forbidden to address the head of the family by this title. It approximates to a personal name, in contrast to "Father," with which it is always joined in the NT. This is probably due to the fact that, abba having practically become a proper name, Greek-speaking Jews added the Greek word pater, "father," from the language they used. Abba is the word framed by the lips of infants, and betokens unreasoning trust; "father" expresses an intelligent apprehension of the relationship. The two together express the love and intelligent confidence of the child.

The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia and Fausset's Bible Dictionary concur with Vine's definition of "Abba." Further, Fausset's defines the combined Aramaic and Greek appearances of "father," literally "the father, the father," as an emphatic invocation or prayer to God. The McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia states that the double reference to father in Aramaic and Greek, in part, is for "emphasis and dignity," plus after retaining the Aramaic word for "father" providing Greek readers "father" in Greek in the event they did not understand the Aramaic reference to father. Hence, whatever weight and meaning the Greek for "Father," referring to God, has, the Aramaic word for "Father" has a closely similar meaning. So, unless someone purports to call God "Daddy, Daddy" in the three passages, it is not appropriate to define "Abba" as "Daddy." If someone boldly resounds "Daddy, Daddy" for the dual appearances of the Aramaic and Greek words for "father" in these passages, referring to God, I still object on the grounds of inadequate reverence toward Deity. Like the quotation below indicates, to refer to Almighty God as "Daddy" borders on blasphemy.

ABBA A Palestinian Aramaic word that is found in three places in the NT to refer to God. It means "father." It is the address of a child as distinct from a slave and denotes family intimacy. In Mark 14:36 Christ uses abba to address God in His prayer in Gethsemane. In Rom. 8:15 and Gal. 4:6 Christians use the same form of address to God. It is used in such a way that it both emphasizes our nearness to God and inculcates respect. Each time it is used it appears with the word pater, giving us the title Abba Father for God. Christians must never confuse intimacy with God their Father with familiarity and triteness. There is no basis in the NT use of abba to support the almost blasphemous references some make to God as "Dad" or "Daddy." It is surely significant that the Aramaic abba is not translated into Greek as papa but is merely transliterated. (Cairns)

Works Cited

Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. CD-ROM. Seattle: Biblesoft, 1994.

Cairns, Alan. "Abba." 23 Dec 2004. Dictionary of Theological Terms. .

"Does Abba Mean "Daddy"? Online posting. 4 Jun 2004. Theologyweb. 23 Dec 2004. .

Easton, M. G. Easton's Bible Dictionary. CD-ROM. Oak Harbor: Logos, 1996.

Fausset's Bible Dictionary. CD-ROM. Seattle: Biblesoft, 1998.

Hannah, Shively. "Abba, Father." Hannah's Garden. 23 Dec 2004. .

International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia. CD-ROM. Seattle: Biblesoft, 1996.

Kohler, Kaufmann. "Abba." JewishEncylopedia.com. 23 Dec 2004. .

McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia. CD-ROM. Seattle: Biblesoft, 2000.

Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary. CD-ROM. Nashville: Nelson, 1986.

The New Bible Dictionary. CD-ROM. Wheaton: Tyndale, 1962.

Stewart, William J. "Abba, Father." Www.LookingIntoJesus.Net. 23 Dec 2004. .

Thayer's Greek Lexicon. CD-ROM. Seattle: Biblesoft, 2000.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words. CD-ROM. Nashville: Nelson, 1985.

Williams, George R. "Abba, Father." Fathers.com." 23 Dec 2004. .

29 posted on 04/06/2009 1:13:09 PM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: mikeus_maximus
This bears emphasizing:

Christians must never confuse intimacy with God their Father with familiarity and triteness.

30 posted on 04/06/2009 1:21:58 PM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: Quix

Thanks Quix, I definately needed that. Bookmarked also.


31 posted on 04/06/2009 4:47:54 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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To: mikeus_maximus

Will try and get to this later this evening.

Fighting off some bronchial threat.

I appreciate the bother and thoughtfulness of your research and posting.

However, I mostly, am still compelled to mostly disagree.

I think that perspective is dreadfully short-shrifting a LOT of Scripture; a LOT of Scriptural metaphors

and even short-shrifting the REASON Christ came and died for each of us at the Father’s wish.


32 posted on 04/06/2009 5:13:21 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: mikeus_maximus; XeniaSt; Blogger; Alamo-Girl
I believe that assertion is askew from much of Scripture and much of the intent of much Scripture.

CHRIST DIED

THAT WE MIGHT HAVE INTIMACY WITH THE FATHER.

The curtain between us and the

HOLY OF HOLIES

WAS RENT TOP TO BOTTOM.

One doesn't get much more INTIMATE with ALMIGHTY ABBA FATHER than that, in mortal flesh.

CHRIST DIED that we might

BECOME INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE FATHER.

AND THERE'S NOTHING

trite

ABOUT THAT!

Perhaps my beloved brothers and sisters above would agree with you. I'd be interested in their perspectives on these issues.

33 posted on 04/06/2009 5:18:11 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

BLESSED BE THE NAME AND WORD OF THE LORD.

Thanks for your kind words.


34 posted on 04/06/2009 5:20:03 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Let each be convinced his in own mind, as God leads.

peace to you


35 posted on 04/06/2009 7:23:03 PM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


36 posted on 04/06/2009 8:10:21 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: woollyone; XeniaSt; Gamecock; Alamo-Girl; Blogger

True. True. And likewise.

I don’t think I have the energy to tackle your long post, yet.

I do find that it tends to grieve my spirit, though.

Perhaps as Father Daddy Almighty God was grieved when the Children of Israel refused to

MEET WITH HIM at the TENT OF MEETING and demanded that Moses do it for them because they were afraid to have that DIRECT AND INTIMATE a relationship with ALMIGHTY GOD.

Certainly Almighty God is awesomely Holy, Lofty, Mighty etc. to the Max. And like the time when Christ’s Train filled the Temple . . . when the prophet saw Him High and lifted up . . . we are less than grass with unclean lips.

One does NOT get CLOSE to Almighty God without that perspective . . .

and yet . . .

in some mysterious truly Biblical, kosher, even INSISTED-ON WAY . . .

those who FAIL to CRY ABBA, PAPA, DADDY, FATHER, HOLD ME, ROCK ME, CARRY ME ON YOUR SHOULDERS . . .

ARE MISSING A VERY IMPORTANT BOAT . . . A BOAT THAT CHRIST PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE FOR THE TICKET ON.


I was fascinated some years ago . . . I forget when . . . Christianity Today did a survey that included the question of what did MEN first/most want to do when they God to Heaven.

The most FREQUENT answer by far was

TO SIT ON ALMIGHTY FATHER GOD, [DADDY]’S LAP.

That must have tickled God greatly . . . He’s likely still smiling from that one.

Jesse DuPlantis has one of the most vivid accounts of being more or less face to face with Father God of any I’ve read over the years. And he has to eat some special fruit in Heaven to gain the strength to SURVIVE such an encounter. And even then Christ beside Him, IIRC, continually strengthens him in that encounter.

Almighty God IS awesome and fierce to the Max.

AND HE IS LOVE TO THE MAX.

and HE IS THE ONE WHO DESIGNED US FOR INTIMATE FELLOWSHIP WITH HIM . . . AND SENT HIS ONLY SON TO THE CROSS TO RESTORE IT.


37 posted on 04/06/2009 9:22:31 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Correction

when the men

GOT to Heaven vs God to Heaven.
!


38 posted on 04/06/2009 9:24:11 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!


39 posted on 04/06/2009 9:28:55 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

Non-sequitur reasoning. No one denies that he removed the wall of participation. That doesn’t mean we cna now stand impudently before YHWH. Even putting it in all caps and bold blue font does not change the meaning of ABBA, nor does it support your doctrine of flippant familiarity with a holy God.


40 posted on 04/07/2009 5:35:12 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: mikeus_maximus

I have gone to significant lengths to demonstrate that I do

NOT SUPPORT FLIPPANT ANYTHING WITH ALMIGHTY GOD.

. . . I DO NOT SUPPORT ANYTHING IMPUDENT BEFORE OR REGARDING OR WITH YHWH/ ALMIGHTY GOD. I would have thought that my English was quite clear on that point to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.

I find your accusation off the wall; inaccurate; mystifyingly contrary and wholesale false.

Trying to squeeze my perspective into inaccurate contortions will not work, before ALMIGHTY GOD any more than it works to try and squeeze HIS WORD into inaccurate contortions.

I realize that it seems to be extremely difficult to hold two or more . . . SEEMINGLY contradictory . . . constructs in one’s consciousness for more than a few microseconds . . .

1. That one can be INTENSELY INTIMATE WITH YHWH AT THE SAME TIME ONE IS BEING
2. INTENSELY REVERENT, AWED, SUBMISSIVE,

The only conclusion I can come to about that with the available evidence from my 62 years is that . . .

Those of us with REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDER in our first years of life find it extremely difficult to impossible to tune in on and TRUST THE SCRIPTURES

and to tune in on and TRUST ALMIGHTY GOD

WHEN HE

speaks of INTIMACY WITH HIMSELF. It just does not compute.

Therefore, that leaves only the TERMINALLY AWED-TO-THE-MAX, FEARFUL, VIRTUALLY COMPULSIVELY CRINGING ATTITUDE AND PERSPECTIVE TOWARD ALMIGHTY GOD AND HIS LIGHTENING BOLTS.

That’s not the kind of relationship the Jesus I know died to RESTORE with THE FATHER/ DADDY/ PAPA/ ALMIGHTY GOD.

FATHER GOD GOES TO GREAT LENGTHS THROUGHOUT HIS SCRIPTURES documenting a wholesale DIFFERENT CHARACTER on HIS part regarding HIS relationship with THOSE WHO truly SEEK AND LOVE HIM . . .

FAR DIFFERENT from the pagans who live in terror of their gods, sacrifice children to them; cut themselves for their gods; etc. etc. etc.

YES, there ARE TIMES when the most fitting perspective is to SEE HIM HIGH AND LIFTED UP. AWESOME AS ON MT SINAI. EVEN FIERCELY & AWESOMELY ANGRY AS AT MT SINAI.

YET, THERE ARE FAR MORE SCRIPTURES DOCUMENTING ALMIGHTY GOD’S/ DADDY’S/ PAPA’S/ FATHER’S TENDER HEARTED COMPASSIONS, TENDER HEARTED LOVE; TENDER HEARTED HOLDING US IN THE PALM OF HIS HAND; WRITING US ON HIS HAND; BEING THE APPLE OF HIS EYE ETC. ETC. ETC.

For any perspective to ignore more than 70-95% of the Biblical picture and to claim that the other 05-30% is the TOTAL picture is nonsense . . . perhaps even close to blind or disingenuous.

I’ll continue to choose the perspective of THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF SCRIPTURE.

THE LOVE OF GOD in the whole of Scripture is THE MOST PROFOUND aspect of ALMIGHTY GOD’S CHARACTER and the most important aspect HE HAS TAKEN THE MOST PAINS TO DEMONSTRATE.

Ignoring that and pretending otherwise is unmitigated insult to Him, to His Word and to the nature of the relationship He desires with each of us. IT IS FAR FROM REVERENTIAL. If anything in this thread is blasphemous, that perspective comes closest when compared to the whole counsel of Scripture.


41 posted on 04/07/2009 6:02:38 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: mikeus_maximus

I’m curious . . .

Approximately how many minutes a week do you spend

literally flat on your face, prostrate on the floor, face to the floor praying to YHWH—in public and in private, combined?


42 posted on 04/07/2009 6:23:14 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
I'm advocating the whole counsel of the scripture, including the counsel of Isaiah and John and Paul in there approach toward God. They saw a critical difference between intimacy and irreverance, just as there's a difference between "Father" and daddy. Sorry to offend, but I do not want you or anyone to be caught up in modernist thinking toward Him. The term "daddy" results from a hippy era notion that we can bring God down to man's level and treat Him as a buddy. If that was not your intent, again, I apologize.

The point it, He calls us children, but until we understand who He is and how truly different He is from us ("holy" means separate), we can't truly appreciate verses like I Jn 3:1 (perhaps my favorite in the Bible). Our relationship toward God is reflected in our character, our works and our speech. Something to think about: http://www.embryhills.com/resources/audio-sermons/?sermon_id=546 .

May God bless your search for truth.

43 posted on 04/07/2009 6:55:55 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: mikeus_maximus

THANKS for your kind msg.

I’m quite seriously interested . . . feel free to reply by FREEPMAIL, if you prefer:

I’m curious . . .

Approximately how many minutes a week do you spend

literally flat on your face, prostrate on the floor, face to the floor praying to YHWH—in public and in private, combined?

BTW, I’m familiar with the meaning of “Holy.”

Of course I have no desire to bring God down to man’s level.

It’s impossible to do, anyway—beyond what Christ already did on that score.

I still think your perspective gives short-shrift to the major portion of Scriptures about the nature of the relationship GOD ALMIGHTY DESIRES, INTENDS AND WILL HAVE with each individual covered in the Blood of Jesus.


44 posted on 04/07/2009 9:15:54 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

I try to spend time everyday in prayer and usually do. I haven’t tried to put a number on it but it’s not enough. While I have been flat on my face at times, God is not looking for a prostrate pose—He wants a prostrate heart. It’s an interesting word study to see how many times “proud” and “pride” is condemned, in both the OT and NT, and how often a humble heart is exhalted by Him. See, for example., Ps. 51: 16-17. (you really should listen to the good sermon I linked— I think you’ll enjoy it.)


45 posted on 04/07/2009 9:53:01 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: mikeus_maximus

Certainly a prostrate heart is the key.

However, the posture can aid the heart getting there.

Congrats.


46 posted on 04/07/2009 12:28:22 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; Joya; All

THE TRUMPET by Bill Burns — April 27, 2009:

If you could but see by way of vision into My purposes that have been established for the end of the age you would rejoice, and again I say you would rejoice. For all of your troubles, all of your heartache, all of your worry, all of your anxiety, all of your trials, would diminish and flow away in the power of the anointing that I shall place upon you.

These are indeed the finest days of Zion. These are the days which you, My people, shall have an abiding glory that shall not fade away. Indeed Zion must dwell in the glory that shall permeate the whole land. For it has been purposed from the beginning of time and it shall be revealed and brought into manifestation in this the end of the age. Remember that I have appointed you for such a time as this, and I have called you into My purposes for these days. You are a royal generation and a chosen priesthood, the mighty warriors of the end of the age—even in the likeness of David’s mighty men.

The men of renown that have gone on before you are waiting to see what you will do with this anointing for war that will bring the victory. This is the hour of the warrior, and the warrior’s purpose is to establish My dominion in the land. Begin by establishing My dominion as a warrior in your home, in your personal life, in your place of work, in your church, and the whole of your lives will begin to flow with an exceeding and abundant measure of power as you go step by step with hearts uplifted into the fullness of My Kingdom, says the Lord God Almighty.

SMALL STRAWS IN A SOFT WIND by Marsha Burns — April 27, 2009:

I am revealing to you the condition of your heart and opening your understanding to see the work I am doing in your innermost being. It is a delicate but solid work. I will repair the damage and give you a new beginning of days, says the Lord. You will step onto a new platform, a higher spiritual level, from which you will launch the next phase of life and ministry. You will be astounded at what I am about to do, for it will be an unprecedented work.

Psalms 61:2 From the end of the earth I will cry to You, when my heart is overwhelmed; lead me to the rock that is higher than I


47 posted on 04/27/2009 8:29:41 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Joya

AMEN! AMEN!

THANKS TONS.


48 posted on 04/27/2009 8:58:14 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Thank you for posting this.


49 posted on 04/27/2009 9:57:30 AM PDT by reaganaut ("When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
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To: Quix; mikeus_maximus

You are correct. Abba is a familial term, a term of intimacy. It is correctly translated “daddy”.

I think in a desire to be submissive and reverent (which we should be) we tend to forget the intimacy we share with God.

For me it was difficult to start to think of the Almighty God as being my ‘daddy’, that Christ was not just my Savior, but my ‘best friend’ as well, very recent terms such as “reverent passion”, “divine romance”, “sacred love” remind us that the Church is not just the Body of Christ, but also his Bride. Earthly marriage is symbolic of the divine marriage of Christ and his Bride.

Before I became a Christian, I belonged to a religion that overemphasized reverence. They used formal KJV in prayers, etc. It was all about showing reverence. And in a lot of ways it WAS a show. There was no joy in the Lord. What I did not realize until later is that search/striving for reverent feelings DISTANCED me from God.

Now I am NOT condoning complete irreverence or disrespect to God. He is our God and we should in no way try to ‘bring him down to our level’. There needs to be a balance as well.


50 posted on 04/27/2009 10:12:53 AM PDT by reaganaut ("When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
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